Ohio State picked top football program of all-time

maineroge · 08-02-2016, 02:14 PM

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HBMC · 08-02-2016, 02:47 PM

Extremely misleading headline, more news at 11.

ILOVEBEER · 08-02-2016, 03:05 PM

WHAT? ALABAMA WASNT NUMBER 1?. ARRRGGHHHH (mumbles something in a southern gibberish)

asujbl · 08-02-2016, 03:31 PM

Obviously.

shapeshifter · 08-02-2016, 03:32 PM

gonna be a rough go when they get to Norman this year.....

Dielon · 08-02-2016, 04:07 PM

someone post the jerk off meme.

Mister2Bits · 08-02-2016, 04:14 PM

I'm seriously questioning the #9 and the #10 order placement.

maineroge · 08-02-2016, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shapeshifter

gonna be a rough go when they get to Norman this year.....

Interesting that #1 and #2 on the list play each other this year...

the mesiah · 08-02-2016, 05:09 PM

Weak poll, pAtiently waiting for the coaches poll .

Siberian13 · 08-02-2016, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ILOVEBEER

WHAT? ALABAMA WASNT NUMBER 1?. ARRRGGHHHH (mumbles something in a southern gibberish)

10 is greater than 5, right?

maineroge · 08-02-2016, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

10 is greater than 5, right?

Not really when you consider college football has had so many disputed and split champions.

Michigan has 11 but only 2 are AP championships. Ohio State has 8 overall. 5 AP.

Big35Hurt · 08-02-2016, 07:15 PM

Pretty sure college football started long before 1936. Thanks for the click-bait subject line OP.

tattooelement · 08-02-2016, 07:32 PM

Should've valued the Championships more.

KivasFajo · 08-02-2016, 09:43 PM

Just an attempt by the AP to remain relevant in a college football landscape of a playoff committee and playoff games. The polls are now more meaningless than before. And - being transparent here - I can see the Horsehoe from my front porch and I'm an Alumni of the O, but how is OSU #1 when Alabama has almost as many titles under JUST Nick Sabon as Ohio State does total? C'mon Man!!

KivasFajo · 08-02-2016, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Big35Hurt

Pretty sure college football started long before 1936. Thanks for the click-bait subject line OP.

The AP polls didn't start before 1936, and the prevalence of schools in those polls is how they were ranked. Anything that happened before that isn't counted. And does the AP still feel the need to award a champ? I'm not sure if they still did the past two years. If not, those stats would not count either.

LRV · 08-02-2016, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Big35Hurt

Pretty sure college football started long before 1936. Thanks for the click-bait subject line OP.

Really, Bama had four before the AP was in existence..

JOAKIMCOLLECTOR · 08-02-2016, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by maineroge

Not really when you consider college football has had so many disputed and split champions.

Michigan has 11 but only 2 are AP championships. Ohio State has 8 overall. 5 AP.

alabama claims 16 national titles. 10 of them are AP. I didnt agree with the poll until I saw that Nick Saban makes up for 60% of Alabamas all time number one rankings.

Big35Hurt · 08-02-2016, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KivasFajo

The AP polls didn't start before 1936, and the prevalence of schools in those polls is how they were ranked. Anything that happened before that isn't counted. And does the AP still feel the need to award a champ? I'm not sure if they still did the past two years. If not, those stats would not count either.

Thanks I am fully aware of when the AP polls started. To make the subject line this "Ohio State picked top football program of all-time" is a bit misleading. I guess if OSU fans want to hang their hats on this silly measurement, be my guest.

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Originally Posted by LRV

Really, Bama had four before the AP was in existence..

Yup...just shows that using a 1936-2015 timeframe is garbage.

maineroge · 08-02-2016, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Big35Hurt

Thanks I am fully aware of when the AP polls started. To make the subject line this "Ohio State picked top football program of all-time" is a bit misleading. I guess if OSU fans want to hang their hats on this silly measurement, be my guest.

Yup...just shows that using a 1936-2015 timeframe is garbage.

Isnt it true in the old days of college football, many programs wins were counted by beating high school teams?

Its hilarious to see people complaining over the article because its the AP instead of a bias eSECpn poll LOL.

starfox · 08-02-2016, 11:00 PM

I don't like Alabama, but it is undoubtedly the best college football program ever.

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aliceinpains · 08-02-2016, 11:38 PM

Alabama doesn't deserve to be ahead of Ohio State. When Alabama was ranked #1 in the playoffs, they couldn't beat a 3rd string QB with almost no playing time under his belt.

Basing it on NCAA Championships ALONE is a poor way to determine the best ever. Maybe Alabama or Notre Dame has won more of them than OSU, but what was going on during the years when they weren't winning them??

Without question the (UNBIASED) AP got it right here.

rats60 · 08-02-2016, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JOAKIMCOLLECTOR

alabama claims 16 national titles. 10 of them are AP. I didnt agree with the poll until I saw that Nick Saban makes up for 60% of Alabamas all time number one rankings.

I only see where they claim 4 before the AP and only 1 is legitimate. 1926 Stanford, 1930 Notre Dame and 1934 Minnesota were National Champions by Dickinson, the only ranking system of the time. Several of their post 1936 claims are weak. They claim 1964 despite losing to 10-1 Texas in the Orange Bowl, claim 1965 despite having 1 loss and 1 tie, 3 teams finished with 1 loss, claim 1973 despite losing to 11-0 Notre Dame in the Orange Bowl and claim 1978 despite losing at home to 10-1 USC.

danfan1 · 08-03-2016, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aliceinpains

Alabama doesn't deserve to be ahead of Ohio State. When Alabama was ranked #1 in the playoffs, they couldn't beat a 3rd string QB with almost no playing time under his belt.

Basing it on NCAA Championships ALONE is a poor way to determine the best ever. Maybe Alabama or Notre Dame has won more of them than OSU, but what was going on during the years when they weren't winning them??

Without question the (UNBIASED) AP got it right here.

Ohio State doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of Alabama because they couldn't even make it to the playoffs last year with that very same QB everyone thought was so good.
This poll is incorrect, I'm a Canes fan and even I know Bama has been the best team for the better part of College Football. The same type of people who rank Brady as GOAT because of championships are the same in here saying that Bamas championships doesnt make them greatest. 2 of the best coaches you'll ever remember are Bear Bryant and Nick Saban.

Scottish Punk · 08-03-2016, 08:03 AM

I think the poll isn't bad as far as accuracy. It is using hard data, so arguing over what 'should' be and the 1936 cut off is missing the entire point of the poll. I like the cutoff for 1936, football played before then wasn't really the same game. Claiming 11 Michigan National Championships when most were won by playing 5-6 smaller colleges every year doesn't mean much.
The one gripe I would like to see them add to the poll is a middle ground for top five finishes. Maybe 3 or 5 points for the number one ranking, and then the two points for finishing in the top 5. Or simply drop the 10 to a 5 for nattys. The jump to 10 points seems like a big gap.

asujbl · 08-03-2016, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by danfan1

Ohio State doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of Alabama because they couldn't even make it to the playoffs last year with that very same QB everyone thought was so good.
This poll is incorrect, I'm a Canes fan and even I know Bama has been the best team for the better part of College Football. The same type of people who rank Brady as GOAT because of championships are the same in here saying that Bamas championships doesnt make them greatest. 2 of the best coaches you'll ever remember are Bear Bryant and Nick Saban.

The poll is math.

You can say the underlying logic behind the poll is flawed (how they decided to assign points) but the poll isn't "incorrect" because it's simple addition. It's based on facts that have already happened.

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shapeshifter Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,162 first_world_problems habitual_line_stepper	gonna be a rough go when they get to Norman this year.....

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the mesiah Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,933	Weak poll, pAtiently waiting for the coaches poll .

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Big35Hurt Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 9,703	Pretty sure college football started long before 1936. Thanks for the click-bait subject line OP.

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tattooelement Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: GA Posts: 1,848	Should've valued the Championships more.

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KivasFajo Banned Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Columbus O-H-I-O Posts: 191 psycoone007	Just an attempt by the AP to remain relevant in a college football landscape of a playoff committee and playoff games. The polls are now more meaningless than before. And - being transparent here - I can see the Horsehoe from my front porch and I'm an Alumni of the O, but how is OSU #1 when Alabama has almost as many titles under JUST Nick Sabon as Ohio State does total? C'mon Man!!

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aliceinpains Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,490	Alabama doesn't deserve to be ahead of Ohio State. When Alabama was ranked #1 in the playoffs, they couldn't beat a 3rd string QB with almost no playing time under his belt. Basing it on NCAA Championships ALONE is a poor way to determine the best ever. Maybe Alabama or Notre Dame has won more of them than OSU, but what was going on during the years when they weren't winning them?? Without question the (UNBIASED) AP got it right here.

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Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 10,463 scottishpunk	I think the poll isn't bad as far as accuracy. It is using hard data, so arguing over what 'should' be and the 1936 cut off is missing the entire point of the poll. I like the cutoff for 1936, football played before then wasn't really the same game. Claiming 11 Michigan National Championships when most were won by playing 5-6 smaller colleges every year doesn't mean much. The one gripe I would like to see them add to the poll is a middle ground for top five finishes. Maybe 3 or 5 points for the number one ranking, and then the two points for finishing in the top 5. Or simply drop the 10 to a 5 for nattys. The jump to 10 points seems like a big gap.