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TheHeel · 07-29-2016, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Sooo, let me get this straight. You took time off 1 or 2 days who knows and you spent your time staying up all night to post here? Lol to each his own I suppose

No...I took the summer off this year.

BTW, I am an educated, white male who has several degrees.

Anyone but Trump 2016.

jcardstore · 07-29-2016, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

No...I took the summer off this year.

BTW, I am an educated, white male who has several degrees.

Anyone but Trump 2016.

Took the summer off? What employer would ever offer someone the summer off? Unless you're a teacher... I guess I need to find a new job if they're offering people the summer off, unless that's code for unpaid leave.

Anyways, you seem like a pretty decent guy. You haven't been spewing trash the entire thread more like one of those pull string puppets continually repeating how amazing obama was.

TheHeel · 07-29-2016, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Took the summer off? What employer would ever offer someone the summer off? Unless you're a teacher... I guess I need to find a new job if they're offering people the summer off, unless that's code for unpaid leave.

Anyways, you seem like a pretty decent guy. You haven't been spewing trash the entire thread more like one of those pull string puppets continually repeating how amazing obama was.

I am an educator.

Obama for a 3rd term!!!

jcardstore · 07-29-2016, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

I am an educator.

Obama for a 3rd term!!!

Gotcha, that makes sense then.

To be fair, I'd take Obama for a 3rd term over either of the 2 we have now

TheHeel · 07-29-2016, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Gotcha, that makes sense then.

To be fair, I'd take Obama for a 3rd term over either of the 2 we have now

Me too.

ssbledsoe · 07-29-2016, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

To be fair, the Republicans were elected in mass by the people to do what they ended up doing, nothing. Calling it treason is a bit ridiculous. I don't agree with what they did either though. I think compromise is key when you have a two party system. I think the current state of politics is a reflection is us. Point the finger at the other side and claim our side is infallible. This post is a perfect example of it. Obama is the greatest, Obama is the worst, Trump is the solution, Trump is a crazy man, Clinton is perfect, Clinton is a crook, on and on we go. It's somewhere in the middle. Obama is not the greatest, but he isn't the worst. Trump is not the solution but he isn't some crazy guy. Clinton is not perfect but she isn't anymore of a crook than most any other politician.

A lot of the problems this country faces can be blamed on both parties. Neither party is perfect and both are filled with people who have the main goal of just being reelected. Without term limits, that becomes the main goal, stay in power. Not do the most you can with what time you have. They become out of touch, so even if they did want to help, how could they?

I think we will continue to see stagnation for the next four years. Nothing will get done. Even if Democrats got a majority in either house, or heck, both, you'd still have Representatives and Senators holding out until they get theirs. Pretty sure you saw that with the ACA which was passed under a majority Democrat rule.

Here is my wish list:
1. Both parties agree to compromise.
2. Bills are no longer than ten pages in length.
3. If you want to filibuster than you should have to take the floor and actually filibuster.
4. Enact terms limits, 3 elections for the House, 2 for the Senate.
5. Public approval ratings have an effect on Representative and Senator pay.
6. Can no longer vote present on any vote, either a yes or a no vote only.

Probably more than that, but I think this would be a good start.

Extremely good post here. Especially the bolded.

The problem with legislators compromising these days is that their own party will use it against them in the next election. Particularly the Republicans. That's entirely what the Tea Party was backed on. I could get behind it if the slamming of candidates was based on corruption. In Indiana in 2012, we had a complete lunatic in Richard Murdock beating out Richard Lugar. They started the campaign as a "get the establishment (Lugar) out of office", when in reality, Murdock ended up losing to Donnelly after the famous "God intended rape babies" quote (at least infamous in IN...).

I can truly point to that specific race as my impetus to explore 3rd parties. I voted for Gary Johnson (and many other libertarians) then, and I'll do it again this year.

Astros19 · 07-29-2016, 08:16 AM

If you have to remind people of your education, there might he a reason for it.
Anybody who took Trump's Russia comment as anything but sarcasm, please do the country a favor and don't vote.

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HillbillyCletus · 07-29-2016, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Astros19

If you have to remind people of your education, there might he a reason for it.
Anybody who took Trump's Russia comment as anything but sarcasm, please do the country a favor and don't vote.

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I agree with your sentiment on education. Reminds me of the quote "The loudest person in the room is the weakest person in the room".

What people need to understand about both Hillary's supporters and Donald's supporters is that there are most certainly numerous that cannot be reasoned with no matter what facts you may bring to the table in an attempt to educate them. In Hillary's case, the rabid supporters find her incompetence regarding email, Benghazi, etc...inconsequential.

jcardstore · 07-29-2016, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HillbillyCletus

What people need to understand about both Hillary's supporters and Donald's supporters is that there are most certainly numerous that cannot be reasoned with no matter what facts you may bring to the table in an attempt to educate them.

This is the most disturbing part. Hard core supporters on both sides reject all common sense and logic and I don't know why. It's like the information is staring you right in the face and you're too blinded by your own emotion to see it.

Another problem with 2 dominant political parties. Just because you're a republican doesn't mean you can never agree with democrats or vice versa but the media drills that into our brain.

Ray27Ray52 · 07-29-2016, 08:43 AM

I often wonder why there are no term limits on members of Congress. It seems like an absolute no brainer. Being a public servant isn't supposed to be a near lifetime job. Has the subject even been broached recently?

quackhead · 07-29-2016, 08:47 AM

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I'm not so sure on that last part. There are voters that will change their minds after viewing. It's not just folks that were going to vote Trump anyway. If you believe they're foolish for doing so, so be it.

I agree. There are probably a lot of Sanders voters who are undecided now, who will probably watch the movie and may lean towards Trump after they see it.

ssbledsoe · 07-29-2016, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

This is the most disturbing part. Hard core supporters on both sides reject all common sense and logic and I don't know why. It's like the information is staring you right in the face and you're too blinded by your own emotion to see it.

Another problem with 2 dominant political parties. Just because you're a republican doesn't mean you can never agree with democrats or vice versa but the media drills that into our brain.

See my example above: Dick Lugar was booted out of office for compromising. If elected officials reach across the aisle, especially republicans, they can expect a very difficult road to reelection.

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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I often wonder why there are no term limits on members of Congress. It seems like an absolute no brainer. Being a public servant isn't supposed to be a near lifetime job. Has the subject even been broached recently?

You'll find plenty of 3rd party candidates discussing term limits, but you won't see it in the main parties. Why? Because it would be tying their own noose. They like having a ridiculously easy job with excellent pay (not accounting for all the extras they get), excellent benefits, excellent vacation, never have to worry about what time you show up to the office, etc.

As was mentioned above, "we the people" have allowed this. It's a complete reflection of our society. If people want to be a part of REAL change, they're going to have to vote for someone that has substance. Frankly, if there is an R or D next to their name, that candidate is extremely unlikely to have any sort of substance to them. However, they are extremely likely to be self indulgent weiners that couldn't give an oven baked poop about people aside from their votes.

Brobocop · 07-29-2016, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I often wonder why there are no term limits on members of Congress. It seems like an absolute no brainer. Being a public servant isn't supposed to be a near lifetime job. Has the subject even been broached recently?

The problem is people loose sight of things way too quickly. I think term limits would be a constitutional amendment. The amount of time and effort one of those takes is immense. Also, you'd have the uphill battle against special interests and the government itself to fight against. Nobody wants to loose their power. With no terms limits, it in some ways, allows special interests to cozy up to the politician for years. It would be hard to make that relationship stick if you had to redo it every so often.

People loose sight of what's important every few hours it seems like. Trying to get an amendment passed in this day and age seems like it would be impossible.

HillbillyCletus · 07-29-2016, 09:14 AM

Politicians capitalize on political divisiveness. They stir up wild rhetoric to whip their respective bases into a frenzy instead of truly wanting to reach across the aisle for the good of the country and the country's citizens. Politicians are the ones who drive this "dog eat dog" mentality that we citizens constantly face in the real world.

pgisback · 07-29-2016, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by quackhead

I agree. There are probably a lot of Sanders voters who are undecided now, who will probably watch the movie and may lean towards Trump after they see it.

Sanders voters are not voting for Trump, lol. He's everything Sanders hates.

pgisback · 07-29-2016, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

No...I took the summer off this year.

BTW, I am an educated, white male who has several degrees.

Anyone but Trump 2016.

Educated flight!! Educated people are not easily fooled. Trump is the most obvious con man I've ever seen.

HillbillyCletus · 07-29-2016, 09:23 AM

Many previous supporters of Hillary appear to be migrating to Jill Stein and/or Gary Johnson. I also think it's valid to state that African American turnout for Hillary will be a fraction of what it was for Barack Obama in 2008.

jcardstore · 07-29-2016, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

Sanders voters are not voting for Trump, lol. He's everything Sanders hates.

Where's your proof? Oh wait... You have none.

pgisback · 07-29-2016, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

Where's your proof? Oh wait... You have none

Did you listen to his speech? Lol

CoolG · 07-29-2016, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

Educated flight!! Educated people are not easily fooled. Trump is the most obvious con man I've ever seen.

How many times are you going to post the same rhetoric over and over?
You've repeated the same stuff in about 30 posts now. You need some new material

Johnson for president

jcardstore · 07-29-2016, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

Did you listen to his speech? Lol

What does his speech have to do with how his supporters feel?

Funny how you rail on Hillary critics for no proof and then you make baseless assumptions like this one and pass them off as fact

pgisback · 07-29-2016, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CoolG

How many times are you going to post the same rhetoric over and over?
You've repeated the same stuff in about 30 posts now. You need some new material

Johnson for president

Put me on ignore.

pgisback · 07-29-2016, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

What does his speech have to do with how his supporters feel?

Funny how you rail on Hillary critics for no proof and then you make baseless assumptions like this one and pass them off as fact

Did you listen to his speech? Lol

jcardstore · 07-29-2016, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CoolG

How many times are you going to post the same rhetoric over and over?
You've repeated the same stuff in about 30 posts now. You need some new material

Johnson for president

He has no new material, quite like the other blind Hillary supporters the only thing they can cling to is calling everyone "uneducated" and telling them they have no proof Hillary did anything wrong lol.

xavieronly1 · 07-29-2016, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

What does his speech have to do with how his supporters feel?

Funny how you rail on Hillary critics for no proof and then you make baseless assumptions like this one and pass them off as fact

Did he just talk to the wall or to the supporters?

View Poll Results: 2016 Election
Hillary Clinton	81	19.19%
Donald Trump	188	44.55%
Neither	153	36.26%
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07-29-2016, 08:16 AM	#2982
Astros19 Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 5,994	If you have to remind people of your education, there might he a reason for it. Anybody who took Trump's Russia comment as anything but sarcasm, please do the country a favor and don't vote. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

07-29-2016, 08:43 AM	#2985
Ray27Ray52 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 22,801	I often wonder why there are no term limits on members of Congress. It seems like an absolute no brainer. Being a public servant isn't supposed to be a near lifetime job. Has the subject even been broached recently?

07-29-2016, 09:14 AM	#2989
HillbillyCletus Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 506	Politicians capitalize on political divisiveness. They stir up wild rhetoric to whip their respective bases into a frenzy instead of truly wanting to reach across the aisle for the good of the country and the country's citizens. Politicians are the ones who drive this "dog eat dog" mentality that we citizens constantly face in the real world.

07-29-2016, 09:23 AM	#2992
HillbillyCletus Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 506	Many previous supporters of Hillary appear to be migrating to Jill Stein and/or Gary Johnson. I also think it's valid to state that African American turnout for Hillary will be a fraction of what it was for Barack Obama in 2008.