2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by rman112

What info do you have that the link between the two is false?

There is no information in the movie that provides the link is true.
The thesis is never proven.
This is precisely why the movie is a failure.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by rman112

Keep in mind that I don't have an allegiance to either party, conspiracy theorists aren't my heroes, and I don't donate money

I'm just saying as a rational, educated adult. Do you think some random conservative book writer who gets his information from Google, claiming that Hillary Clinton committed a serious felony that would put her in jail for 20-30 years+, should be taken seriously? Sorry, but if there was any shred of legitimate evidence, actual legal experts would be involved. Not conspiracy theorist book writers. These Trump supporting, Clinton Cash watching "adults" are completely detached from the real world.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

There is no information in the movie that provides the link is true.
The thesis is never proven.
This is precisely why the movie is a failure.

I'm not so sure on that last part. There are voters that will change their minds after viewing. It's not just folks that were going to vote Trump anyway. If you believe they're foolish for doing so, so be it.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by pgisback

I'm just saying as a rational, educated adult. Do you think some random conservative book writer who gets his information from Google, claiming that Hillary Clinton committed a serious felony that would put her in jail for 20-30 years+, should be taken seriously? Sorry, but if there was any shred of legitimate evidence, actual legal experts would be involved. Not conspiracy theorist book writers. These Trump supporting, Clinton Cash watching "adults" are completely detached from the real world.

I hear you, but do you honestly believe our government would do its due diligence in coming to an unbiased ruling if the claims are true?

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by rman112

I'm not so sure on that last part. There are voters that will change their minds after viewing. It's not just folks that were going to vote Trump anyway. If you believe they're foolish for doing so, so be it.

No one is going to change their mind from the movie. The only people who actually take it seriously are people who already believe in those kind of conspiracy theories. They're probably birthers and don't believe in global warming. Just straight up loons.

[Skipscards]

We are in trouble...

The population of this country is 300 million.

160 million are retired.


That leaves 140 million to do the work.



There are 85 million in school.



Which leaves 55 million to do the work.



Of this there are 35 million employed by the federal government.


Leaving 20 million to do the work.


2.8 million are in the armed forces preoccupied
with protecting our country.



Which leaves 17.2
million to do the work.


Take from that total the 15.8 million people who work for state and city Governments. And that leaves 1.4 million to do the work.



At any given time there are 188,000 people in hospitals.


Leaving 1,212,000 to do the work.


Now, there are 1,211,998 people in prisons.


That leaves just two people to do the work.


You and me.


And there you are,


Sitting on your ass,


At your computer, reading jokes..


Nice. Real nice.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by rman112

I hear you, but do you honestly believe our government would do its due diligence in coming to an unbiased ruling if the claims are true?

Yes, if there was actual evidence, she would be investigated and punished to the fullest extent of the law. If you don't believe that, you're a tin foiler.

[Davesportscards]

I get all my factual info about Hillary from Hillary supporters. If the Hillary supporters say she isn't crooked then it's obviously true.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by rman112

I'm not so sure on that last part. There are voters that will change their minds after viewing. It's not just folks that were going to vote Trump anyway. If you believe they're foolish for doing so, so be it.

I would submit the vast majority of the people watching this movie have such an anti-Clinton bias going into it, that their minds were made up about them long ago. Some of these same people literally believe the Clintons to be quilty of directly murdering people. It is utter insanity.

I watched the movie for the same reason I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh when he was still on the air in Los Angeles. It's useful to know the source of propaganda before someone who doesn't understand that's all it is repeats it back to you as though it were factual.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Davesportscards

I get all my factual info about Hillary from Hillary supporters. If the Hillary supporters say she isn't crooked then it's obviously true.

Well, no, Dave. That's where critical thinking comes into it.

[Davesportscards]

Hillary is the most trustworthy person in the country. She is absolutely fit to lead. Anyone who says otherwise is a tin foiler.

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

We are in trouble...

The population of this country is 300 million.

160 million are retired.


That leaves 140 million to do the work.



There are 85 million in school.



Which leaves 55 million to do the work.



Of this there are 35 million employed by the federal government.


Leaving 20 million to do the work.


2.8 million are in the armed forces preoccupied
with protecting our country.



Which leaves 17.2
million to do the work.


Take from that total the 15.8 million people who work for state and city Governments. And that leaves 1.4 million to do the work.



At any given time there are 188,000 people in hospitals.


Leaving 1,212,000 to do the work.


Now, there are 1,211,998 people in prisons.


That leaves just two people to do the work.


You and me.


And there you are,


Sitting on your ass,


At your computer, reading jokes..


Nice. Real nice.

Hey Buddy,

You should come over.

Tonight's "Pipe Night."

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by Davesportscards

Hillary is the most trustworthy person in the country. She is absolutely fit to lead. Anyone who says otherwise is a tin foiler.

Reductio Ad Absurdum

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

The poorest states in America are also the most Republican. Generalizations can be made on both sides, it doesn't mean they are correct assumptions.

Kansas is a disaster.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

Kansas is a disaster.

So is the City of Cincinnati.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by pgisback

This is a typical conspiracy theorist trick. A logical fallacy to prove the non-existence of some made up claim. When you accuse someone of corruption, the burden of proof is on you. And since the author of Clinton Cash has already admitted he does not have direct evidence connecting the two, good luck. You'll need it. But while nothing happens, your conspiracy theorist heroes appreciate your donation, lol.

Gotta love people who hear something they think sounds cool, then they use the heck out of it. Try something new on us. See if we are impressed.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Gotta love people who hear something they think sounds cool, then they use the heck out of it. Try something new on us. See if we are impressed.

It's common terminology when you debate. Not really that impressive. Been using it for 8+ years.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

So is the City of Cincinnati.

maybe, but Kansas is run by all conservatives at the state level, and they've utterly botched their budget. they gave tax cuts to the businesses and i think a 29% cut for only the TOP income tax bracket, as well as exempting some businesses and 330k farmers.

so far this is conservative trickle-down economics 101.

well, shocker, that money didn't make its way back to the state in the form of businesses hiring more workers and people spending more money.

as of April (last news I saw on the situation), he raided something like 17 mil from universities in the state, and also held back 93 million worth of pension funds of school teachers, and then another 750 mil from various highway projects.

Not only that, but to plug the gushing hole in the budget, his office proposed selling what is called the state's tobacco settlement. I'm not sure what that is exactly, but they are due to get something like 500 mil over the next few years for it, and Brownback wants to sell it for a quick one-time payment of something like 150 mil to plug this. that's not very fiscally responsible if you ask me, selling future money for pennies on the dollar now.

they DID raise sales tax a bit and raised taxes on cigarettes, which brought in some more money, but that's kind of shitty to pass the burden off of the rich and make the rank and file citizens pay more taxes for things, no?

it's so bad that even a lot of the republicans in the state offices are distancing themselves. and they hold a 75% majority, so these cuts were breezed through the legislature when Brownback proposed them. You know why they are distancing themselves? A majority of their seats are up for re-election.


this is the same tax cut strategy that was praised by republicans in other states when they were proposed and initially enacted.



edit to add- they just had their credit rating dropped from AA to AA- earlier this month. It's the second downgrade in 2 years. the great thing about the state is that the law requires a budget to be balanced, so it's not like the state is in debt (yet). the bad thing is that now that the cuts were put in, they are raiding public funds (schools, pensions, highway) to fill in the holes created by the lack of extra predicted income.


edit edit- i was wrong about kansas not being in debt. http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-deb...ebt-clock.html

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by pgisback

It's common terminology when you debate. Not really that impressive. Been using it for 8+ years.

Did you write the phrase down on a journal? How are you aware how long you have used it? Weird to know "8 years". Or did you learn it from Obama in '08?

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

maybe, but Kansas is run by all conservatives at the state level, and they've utterly botched their budget. they gave tax cuts to the businesses and i think a 29% cut for only the TOP income tax bracket, as well as exempting some businesses and 330k farmers.

so far this is conservative trickle-down economics 101.

well, shocker, that money didn't make its way back to the state in the form of businesses hiring more workers and people spending more money.

as of April (last news I saw on the situation), he raided something like 17 mil from universities in the state, and also held back 93 million worth of pension funds of school teachers, and then another 750 mil from various highway projects.

Not only that, but to plug the gushing hole in the budget, his office proposed selling what is called the state's tobacco settlement. I'm not sure what that is exactly, but they are due to get something like 500 mil over the next few years for it, and Brownback wants to sell it for a quick one-time payment of something like 150 mil to plug this. that's not very fiscally responsible if you ask me, selling future money for pennies on the dollar now.

they DID raise sales tax a bit and raised taxes on cigarettes, which brought in some more money, but that's kind of shitty to pass the burden off of the rich and make the rank and file citizens pay more taxes for things, no?

it's so bad that even a lot of the republicans in the state offices are distancing themselves. and they hold a 75% majority, so these cuts were breezed through the legislature when Brownback proposed them. You know why they are distancing themselves? A majority of their seats are up for re-election.


this is the same tax cut strategy that was praised by republicans in other states when they were proposed and initially enacted.



edit to add- they just had their credit rating dropped from AA to AA- earlier this month. It's the second downgrade in 2 years. the great thing about the state is that the law requires a budget to be balanced, so it's not like the state is in debt (yet). the bad thing is that now that the cuts were put in, they are raiding public funds (schools, pensions, highway) to fill in the holes created by the lack of extra predicted income.


edit edit- i was wrong about kansas not being in debt. State of Kansas Debt Clock

My point being, you will cast votes for mayor and council members that are bankrupting the city with terrible decisions. I wouldn't point the finger when you are personally voting for people doing the same in your own municipality.

[pgisback]

Trump talks about hitting people that say mean things to him, he asks the Russians to commit espionage against the US to attack his political opponent, he mocks McCain for being a POW, he mocks disabled people, he claims American judges might not be fair to judge him because their race, he says the military is a disaster, says he knows more about ISIS than our Generals do, he doesn't know the Constitution, he won't release his tax records, he wanted to be praised for predicting a terrorist attack, he calls himself the King of Debt, he claims the military will violate international laws because he says so, he admires Kim Jong un for killing his uncle for power, he admires Saddam for killing terrorists in Iraq, he admired China for Tiennaman Square, he doesn't say anything negative about Putin, and he wants to ban an entire religion from entering the United States.

How in the world could any honest American respect or trust this guy?

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Did you write the phrase down on a journal? How are you aware how long you have used it? Weird to know "8 years". Or did you learn it from Obama in '08?

No, it's honestly just a common phrase in any type of debates. You're just exposing yourself as Trump's base.

[Shogun2049]

Looks like I'm not the only one here voting for Gary Johnson. Been a registered Libertarian Party member since I turned 18 and I turn 35 in a little under 2 months.

The problem in the US is that a lot of people vote for "the lesser of two evils" or don't vote at all because they don't want to vote Republican or Democrat and have always been made to believe/feel that voting for a third party candidate is a "wasted vote", so they just don't vote at all. If you look at the numbers, the percentage of registered voters who actually vote is around the low 50 percent area. If those other 45-50 percent went out and voted for a third party candidate, there would be a good chance of them winning and not the Repub's or Dem's. It's time for people to vote for who/what they believe in, not "the lesser of two evils."

I'm also all for adding a "None of the Above" option on the ballot. Let's see what 4 years with NO president does to us.

[cadillac540]

Originally Posted by pgisback

How in the world could any honest American respect or trust this guy?

Awww... was Trump mean and offend you?

[pgisback]

Wow!! Even psycho conservative Mark Levin can't believe Comrade Trumps comments about Russia.

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