2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[greentown]

Originally Posted by pgisback

At no point did I say "because she's not Trump". I told you exactly what I hoped and believe she would do given a chance. That's politics, lol. You were annoyed that I answered reasonably and you pulled a Trump and acted like a child.

See above

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by greentown

See above

I was talking about my reply that you were responding to.

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by greentown

Trump's Put Americans Workers First plan:

Increase prevailing wage for H1-Bs.
Requirement to hire American workers first.
End welfare abuse.
Jobs program for inner city youth.
Refugee program for American children.
Immigration moderation.

How is he going to do these things? How is he going to ensure every small business is hiring from within the U.S. if they pay people under the table? How is he going to end welfare abuse? The amount of man power that would take isn't possible.

[greentown]

Originally Posted by JosieD

How is he going to do these things? How is he going to ensure every small business is hiring from within the U.S. if they pay people under the table? How is he going to end welfare abuse? The amount of man power that would take isn't possible.

Through use of the nationwide e-verify program, and enforcing the existing laws. Put a contractor in jail for violating the law a few times, they will learn. Did you know you can actually make money reporting the people hiring illegals and paying under the table?

One of the rules for legal immigration is that you are required to be able to support yourself. If you can not, you are violating the set conditions of your entry. It again comes down to enforcing the existing laws.

[CoolG]

Originally Posted by TOMBB25

Clinton Cash is out, gonna watch it online tonight. Would love to see some honest feeback from democrats on here about it.

I already know a lot of people will call it a "right wing smear tactic" but MSNBC said itself that it is devastating, especially since such a large amount of the information has all been verified.

and Hillary's America is out

Dinesh D'Souza > Michael Moore

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by greentown

Through use of the nationwide e-verify program, and enforcing the existing laws. Put a contractor in jail for violating the law a few times, they will learn. Did you know you can actually make money reporting the people hiring illegals and paying under the table?

One of the rules for legal immigration is that you are required to be able to support yourself. If you can not, you are violating the set conditions of your entry. It again comes down to enforcing the existing laws.

We are horrible, nation wide, at enforcing existing laws. There are already existing gun laws that would adequately meet the needs of what some are calling for if they were just enforced properly.

Also, there are a great deal of small business that employee illegal immigrants that are totally offline. A prime example is orchards. Illegal immigrants move from state to state as the season progresses picking apples, getting paid under the table the whole way. Furthermore, our jails are overcrowded as is. Don't they deserve a fair trail? How long should the punishment be? how are you going to prove they hired illegal immigrants if it is all off the books? Because I said so?

[JohnRyno]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

You're late to the par-tay. You must have been scared to get pulled in.

The top 4 posters in this thread account for over 500 posts, which is close to 25% of the entire thread. The top 3 are backing the same candidate. This isn't a discussion, it's just a bunch of people talking into a drive-thru speaker.

Like my man Frank Lucas says:

[pgisback]

Not a big fan of the speakers tonight. Other than Slick Willie of course!!

[TheFrenzy]

Just curious: How far back are most people reading before they respond?

It seems like once a post is 5 or 6 back up the thread, the points get dropped/ignored. Feels like it breaks the flow of such a massive thread.

In fact, with all of the political topics being dumped into one thread (PRAISE HOUDINI AND THE GIFTS HE GIVES), it would almost make more sense for us to start each post with a designating "Discussion 1" or "Discussion 2" or "Discussion 1b" to help keep track of who is responding to whom.

[greentown]

Originally Posted by JosieD

We are horrible, nation wide, at enforcing existing laws. There are already existing gun laws that would adequately meet the needs of what some are calling for if they were just enforced properly.

Also, there are a great deal of small business that employee illegal immigrants that are totally offline. A prime example is orchards. Illegal immigrants move from state to state as the season progresses picking apples, getting paid under the table the whole way. Furthermore, our jails are overcrowded as is. Don't they deserve a fair trail? How long should the punishment be? how are you going to prove they hired illegal immigrants if it is all off the books? Because I said so?

Sadly, this is true. But we can't just say, welllll, it's always been this way.

Like I said, put the people in jail for violating the law enough, and they will learn.

A fair trail? To be honest, they are not citizens, they are here illegally, they do not have the rights a citizen would.

Well, if I was an immigration officer, and I show up, and you have no legally required employment papers showing you are reporting payment, paying taxes, ect., it would be pretty obvious.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Not a big fan of the speakers tonight. Other than Slick Willie of course!!

One quick point, B. Clinton was one of the greatest presidents we've ever had regarding Indian relations and treatment. It really is an overlooked aspect of his presidency. My Native American History prof HATED the Clintons........but was honest enough to praise them for their work with the tribes.

Of course, the other great "Indian" president was Richard Nixon. It makes me giggle.

[Skipscards]

My thoughts on the election...

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by JosieD

We are horrible, nation wide, at enforcing existing laws. There are already existing gun laws that would adequately meet the needs of what some are calling for if they were just enforced properly.

Also, there are a great deal of small business that employee illegal immigrants that are totally offline. A prime example is orchards. Illegal immigrants move from state to state as the season progresses picking apples, getting paid under the table the whole way. Furthermore, our jails are overcrowded as is. Don't they deserve a fair trail? How long should the punishment be? how are you going to prove they hired illegal immigrants if it is all off the books? Because I said so?

OK, so build more jails and hire more guards. The proof would be in getting the Border Patrol and/or Homeland Security at the businesses and catching the illegal activity in action.

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by greentown

Sadly, this is true. But we can't just say, welllll, it's always been this way.

Like I said, put the people in jail for violating the law enough, and they will learn.

A fair trail? To be honest, they are not citizens, they are here illegally, they do not have the rights a citizen would.

Well, if I was an immigration officer, and I show up, and you have no legally required employment papers showing you are reporting payment, paying taxes, ect., it would be pretty obvious.

I apologize. I misread what you originally wrote. I thought you were saying the employer would go to jail for violating the law. That's who I was referring to regarding a fair trail.

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by quackhead

OK, so build more jails and hire more guards. The proof would be in getting the Border Patrol and/or Homeland Security at the businesses and catching the illegal activity in action.

This takes time, money and energy. These aren't immediate solutions and could be years in the making. There is so much more that goes into this than building a jail and hiring people. What states should we build these jails in? Just the ones that have a higher rate of illegal immigration thus shifting illegal immigrants to other portions of the country? Who would fund these jails? What would the training process be for the guards? At what point would they be deported? How would they be deported? There are countless questions that go into this that I don't think we are prepared to handle at this time. What about their children? Would they be jailed with them? If so, would the prisons be equipped with classrooms or would be denying education rights to these children because their parents broke the law. I could go on all day with questions that need answers before we embark on this endeavor.

[greentown]

Originally Posted by JosieD

I apologize. I misread what you originally wrote. I thought you were saying the employer would go to jail for violating the law. That's who I was referring to regarding a fair trail.

I did say the employer would go to jail, the illegal immigrants would be escorted out of the country as they have no right to a fair trail.

Here is the punishment for hiring illegal immigrants:

You may be subject to civil and criminal penalties for hiring undocumented immigrant workers. Civil penalties range from a minimum of $375 per unauthorized worker for a first offense up to a maximum of $1,600 per worker for a third or subsequent offense. If you are found to have engaged in a “pattern and practice” of hiring undocumented workers, then you can be fined up to $3,000 per employee and/or imprisoned for up to six months.

This is just the hiring part and isn't including the charges you will probably have for not reporting pay and collecting applicable taxes.

[JosieD]

I am curious to see what people's thoughts are on the the top 5 issues facing the US.

Mine would be:

1. poverty
2. racism
3. economic disparity
4. employment
5. healthcare reform

[TOMBB25]

Originally Posted by greentown

Trump's Put Americans Workers First plan:

Increase prevailing wage for H1-Bs.
Requirement to hire American workers first.
End welfare abuse.
Jobs program for inner city youth.
Refugee program for American children.
Immigration moderation.

But see, all these things lessens the governments ability to control the citizens, which is exactly what democrats fear the most. Big government means its people will have to rely on them to live their daily lives. It is amazing to me that people don't want to bring jobs to America, that they want to increase social programs to the point where people don't have to work and make a living on their own. The American dream is turning into having a bunch of kids and asking the system to support you.

[TOMBB25]

Originally Posted by chezball

LOL you should do stand up.

You should open your eyes.

Hillary puts Kevin Spacey's character in House of Cards to shame with the darkness that is this woman.

You won't watch the documentary anyway, it will be dismissed like all of the sick things the Clinton's do.

[preakness]

Hillary is shady like Baylor football

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by JosieD

I am curious to see what people's thoughts are on the the top 5 issues facing the US.

Mine would be:

1. poverty
2. racism
3. economic disparity
4. employment
5. healthcare reform

1. Education
2. Congress
3. Jobs
4. Infrastructure
5. Fiscal policy

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by JosieD

This takes time, money and energy. These aren't immediate solutions and could be years in the making. There is so much more that goes into this than building a jail and hiring people. What states should we build these jails in? Just the ones that have a higher rate of illegal immigration thus shifting illegal immigrants to other portions of the country? Who would fund these jails? What would the training process be for the guards? At what point would they be deported? How would they be deported? There are countless questions that go into this that I don't think we are prepared to handle at this time. What about their children? Would they be jailed with them? If so, would the prisons be equipped with classrooms or would be denying education rights to these children because their parents broke the law. I could go on all day with questions that need answers before we embark on this endeavor.

You're right. It will take time/money to do this, but it needs to be done now, so that it doesn't get worse. Illegal immigration is a serious problem and a national security problem.

[greentown]

Originally Posted by JosieD

I am curious to see what people's thoughts are on the the top 5 issues facing the US.

Mine would be:

1. poverty
2. racism
3. economic disparity
4. employment
5. healthcare reform

I am in complete agreement with you. Except for number 2.

Everyone in this country (legally, lol) has equal rights, it's the law.

The problem is, you can not legislate thoughts.

[Timmay]

Here's a interesting social experiment if you have a Facebook account. Go to the Donald Trump Facebook page and see how many of your friends have "liked" his page. Then go to Hillary Clinton's Facebook page and see how many of your friends have liked her page. Here are my results. Pretty much poll results.
Hillary 7
Trump 85
Sanders 10

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by greentown

I am in complete agreement with you. Except for number 2.

Everyone in this country (legally, lol) has equal rights, it's the law.

The problem is, you can not legislate thoughts.

What would your additional issue be?