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[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

this is the very reason most "real" liberals have a very hard time trusting her. Sanders' record was clear, and he was on the liberal side of things almost every time. She seems to be a political chameleon, able to change her colors when it's the perfect moment.

This right here.

Sanders was the clear dem choice but Hillary had way too much clout. Just goes to show you that big money beats out public support 10/10 times.

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

2002-2014 She Supports Iraq War
2014-Admits wrong

2004-2012 Says Marriage is a sacred bond between man and woman
2013-Supports Gay Marriage

2010-2015 Supports Keystone Pipeline
2015-Opposes Keystone

2010-2015 Endorses TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership for those who don't know like NYFanCam) as Secretary of State
2015-Opposes TPP

2000-2015 Delivers motivational speeches to Wall Street
2016- "I told Wall Street to cut it out"
She earned 3.45 million giving these speeches.

2002-2015 Supports no child left behind
2015-Backs away and supports Teachers Union stance

I see the point you are trying to make. The problem I have with it is people adapt, progress or discoveries are made, long term studies of effectiveness are completed and any of these things can help shape a person's view. If we ask people to hold an original belief, there would still be rampant racism (worse than right now), etc. Think of how much things change in our lives like medical and social advancements, parenting, elderly care, etc. It's constantly being adapted to our current situation. Parenting today is vastly different than when my parents raised me though it still has some of the same foundations.

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by JosieD

I see the point you are trying to make. The problem I have with it is people adapt, progress or discoveries are made, long term studies of effectiveness are completed and any of these things can help shape a person's view. If we ask people to hold a original belief, there would still be rampant racism (worse than right now), etc. Think of how much things change in our lives like medical and social advancements, parenting, elderly care, etc. It's constantly being adapted to our current situation. Parenting today is vastly different than when my parents raised me though it still has some of the same foundations.

The biggest issue I have with her is her ability to lie about her former positions. It's not that she has changed her positions. It's her direct attempts to make claims that she has "long been a supporter of LGBT rights" and the like.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by JosieD

I see the point you are trying to make. The problem I have with it is people adapt, progress or discoveries are made, long term studies of effectiveness are completed and any of these things can help shape a person's view. If we ask people to hold a original belief, there would still be rampant racism (worse than right now), etc. Think of how much things change in our lives like medical and social advancements, parenting, elderly care, etc. It's constantly being adapted to our current situation. Parenting today is vastly different than when my parents raised me though it still has some of the same foundations.

I agree with you on social issues but look at things like the Keystone Pipeline, Wall Street Banks, and the TPP. She conveniently changed her opinion just in time for election season and you can be sure that she'll change it again whenever (insert lobbyist group here) gives her the money to do it

[chezball]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

She'll bring maturity, experience and professionalism every single day... Along with RESPECT for those around her.

What will he bring?? Hate? Disrespect? Arrogance? Immaturity?? I dislike him strongly. Have for years... She would do a much better job in such a serious position.. I don't truly think he wants the JOB... I feel he wants the title.

I hope that you all have a great day.

She's exactly what this country doesn't need. Another pandering lead from behind president. You're the type of person who gave us the POS we have in office now.

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by chezball

She's exactly what this country doesn't need. Another pandering lead from behind president. You're the type of person who gave us the POS we have in office now.

How has your life negatively changed since President Obama has been in office? How has you life positively changed in the same time frame?

[chezball]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I agree with you on social issues but look at things like the Keystone Pipeline, Wall Street Banks, and the TPP. She conveniently changed her opinion just in time for election season and you can be sure that she'll change it again whenever (insert lobbyist group here) gives her the money to do it

To touch on TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) she's against it now,but if she gets in
she'll be pushing hard for it.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by JosieD

How has your life negatively changed since President Obama has been in office? How has you life positively changed in the same time frame?

One word ObamaCare.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by JosieD

How has your life negatively changed since President Obama has been in office? How has you life positively changed in the same time frame?

I've "met" D2R, Benshobbies, and LoveIt during Obama years

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by JosieD

How has your life negatively changed since President Obama has been in office? How has you life positively changed in the same time frame?

My taxes have gone up and I pay more for health care.

I cannot think of any positives that were a direct result of this administration.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by JosieD

How has your life negatively changed since President Obama has been in office? How has you life positively changed in the same time frame?

My medical has tripled for monthly costs. But at least others got what they needed at others expense.

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by JosieD

I see the point you are trying to make. The problem I have with it is people adapt, progress or discoveries are made, long term studies of effectiveness are completed and any of these things can help shape a person's view. If we ask people to hold a original belief, there would still be rampant racism (worse than right now), etc. Think of how much things change in our lives like medical and social advancements, parenting, elderly care, etc. It's constantly being adapted to our current situation. Parenting today is vastly different than when my parents raised me though it still has some of the same foundations.

Thank you. I hate the "flip-flipper" argument as a general rule. If you are unwilling to evolve, you are not fit to be President.

I don't think Hillary is perfect, and I am sure some of her positions have changed for political reasons. But I also think she is a reasonable, intelligent human being who won't set the country on fire. A Trump presidency would be frightening.


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[RossOK]

Trump intimates that he wouldn't honor our NATO alliances if Russia were to encroach upon the Baltic members. That's a pretty big red flag if you ask me.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Thank you. I hate the "flip-flipper" argument as a general rule. If you are unwilling to evolve, you are not fit to be President.

I don't think Hillary is perfect, and I am sure some of her positions have changed for political reasons. But I also think she is a reasonable, intelligent human being who won't set the country on fire. A Trump presidency would be frightening.


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And the Right will say...

Everybody agrees that changing facts can justify a change in one’s view. But Clinton’s insistence that learning about “new” or “better” information propels her reassessments prompts this question: What was the new information?


Why would a Trump presidency be frightening? Because he is a strong negotiator that has built an empire across the globe?

Is it because he promotes small business? Has promised to bring manufacturing to the US? Wants to increase tariffs?

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by chezball

One word ObamaCare.

Show me where it hurt you.

Originally Posted by preakness

I've "met" D2R, Benshobbies, and LoveIt during Obama years

My sincerest apologies.

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

My taxes have gone up and I pay more for health care.

I cannot think of any positives that were a direct result of this administration.

Taxes go up every year regardless and health care costs also go up each year as well. Trust me, I don't agree with it, I think the rate of inflation to the rate of wages is very off balance unless you work in finance. Money talks in this country more than anything else which I find very sad. I don't understand, from an ethical standpoint, the purpose of inflation. My husband and I talked about this on our long car ride. It's all man made bs.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by RossOK

Trump intimates that he wouldn't honor our NATO alliances if Russia were to encroach upon the Baltic members. That's a pretty big red flag if you ask me.

He said it wouldn' t be automatic.
That it would depend

Big big difference

He's said similar about intervening with Israel

[Ephland]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

My taxes have gone up

which ones?

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

And the Right will say...



Everybody agrees that changing facts can justify a change in one’s view. But Clinton’s insistence that learning about “new” or “better” information propels her reassessments prompts this question: What was the new information?





Why would a Trump presidency be frightening? Because he is a strong negotiator that has built an empire across the globe?

I can't answer for Hillary. That is a reasonable question.

I don't actually think Trump is a strong negotiator, or that he built an empire. I think he was born into extreme wealth and as a result has been in a position of power for every negotiation throughout his life. I have no idea whether he will be an adequate negotiator if he is ever in a position where he does not have the clear upper hand. Based on his apparent thin skin and bullying tactics, I have major doubts. I do not have any firsthand experience negotiating with him, of course, so this is all just my perception from afar.




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[JosieD]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

My medical has tripled for monthly costs. But at least others got what they needed at others expense.

Medicaid and Medicare have been around much longer than the affordable health care act.

Employers took this as an easy out to push costs onto their employees and then blamed the government.

I had cancer in my 20's. The fact that I could have been denied insurance 5 years ago is scary. The people that need it the most (Pre-existing conditions) were the ones that couldn't get the proper care they needed. I feel like the whole system is broken. I had a pharmacy bill that was 90k from one of my hospital stays. Thankfully, I had already met my out of pocket max for the year but 90k is just way too much considering they charge $50 for an advil.

[JosieD]

I honestly don't get why people complain so much about the current administration or those of the past. If you have food on your table, a roof over your head, feel loved and secure, move on with your day and try to give back to those that don't have those things.

Here is a story that humbled me recently:
I got mad at my husband for giving a homeless man $5 while we were in Chicago because I was saving it to buy us drinks for on the way home. My husband asked if we could still afford it after the fact. Of course we could afford $5 more dollars. That man used it to buy himself lunch. I got upset over $5 but in reality I didn't value it as much at that man did. That man might not eat today. He probably had to sleep outside last night. He carried every single item he owned in a dirty, ripped back back, he only had 1 pair of shoes with holes in, clearly has not seen a doctor in some time, and spends most of his day alone and here I am complaining about $5.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

I can't answer for Hillary. That is a reasonable question.

I don't actually think Trump is a strong negotiator, or that he built an empire. I think he was born into extreme wealth and as a result has been in a position of power for every negotiation throughout his life. I have no idea whether he will be an adequate negotiator if he is ever in a position where he does not have the clear upper hand. Based on his apparent thin skin and bullying tactics, I have major doubts. I do not have any firsthand experience negotiating with him, of course, so this is all just my perception from afar.




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You obviously don't know how much trump's dad gave him to start and how much Trump increased it

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by JosieD

Employers took this as an easy out to push costs onto their employees and then blamed the government.

This didn't happen to me. I work for a small business and pay all of their bills. The owners costs also went up. We use to have great health insurance.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by JosieD

I honestly don't get why people complain so much about the current administration or those of the past. If you have food on your table, a roof over your head, feel loved and secure, move on with your day and try to give back to those that don't have those things.

Here is a story that humbled me recently:
I got mad at my husband for giving a homeless man $5 while we were in Chicago because I was saving it to buy us drinks for on the way home. My husband asked if we could still afford it after the fact. Of course we could afford $5 more dollars. That man used it to buy himself lunch. I got upset over $5 but in reality I didn't value it as much at that man did. That man might not eat today. He probably had to sleep outside last night. He carried every single item he owned in a dirty, ripped back back, he only had 1 pair of shoes with holes in, clearly has not seen a doctor in some time, and spends most of his day alone and here I am complaining about $5.

I have food on my table and roof over my family's head not because of what the past politicians have done

By looking at it via your opening paragraph shows status quo is fine and dandy in your eyes

I was watching Drugs on national geographic channel

A heroin user was begging for funds for food
She then used $275 to support her $275 daily habit

[bartender623]

For all you 'the founding fathers weren't talking about automatic weapons' (which I'd also like to point out are very difficult for the average Joe to attain - I think you mean semi-auto), I'd like to point you to the case of Caetano v. Massachusetts 2016:

'The second amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of its founding.'

While that case in particular was about a stun gun, the wording is about as clear as it gets in regards to the founding father argument. Beyond that, remember the founding fathers were rebelling against their tyrannical government when they drafted the constitution. I'm almost positive they wouldn't have an issue with everyday law abiding citizens owning a rifle equivalent to what the tyrannical governments soldiers would be armed with. You can't fight a squad of soldiers carrying M4s with black powder and pitchforks. Well, you could, but you wouldn't last long. Unless you're Mel Gibson in The Patriot, then all anyone would need is a distraction and a tomahawk.

Notice I used the phrase 'almost positive' above. Do you know why that is? Because I wasn't there. None of us were, so don't presume to know exactly what the founding fathers meant in their wording. But based on the events that were taking place at the time it was written, its safe to say advocates for guns are closer to being correct in their interpretation.

That said, I'm all for making it a process to own a firearm. Testing, licensing, background checks, whatever. I'm just tired of seeing the founding father argument. Its nonsense.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by JosieD

I honestly don't get why people complain so much about the current administration or those of the past.

Because we are a country of spoiled/entitled people. We always need something to complain about or have to have it our way. Thanks Burger King