Controversial Topics Thread - allowed here and here only please

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by amazinhdgaming

#AllLivesMatter should be the trend... Shouldnt have to pick sides.

You don't have to. You can believe all lives matter and still support the Black Lives Matter movement. Empathy is not a zero sum game.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by RossOK

You don't have to. You can believe all lives matter and still support the Black Lives Matter movement. Empathy is not a zero sum game.

Agree.

It would be nice though if the leaders of BLM step up and become vocal when some of the loudmouths do the ridiculous chants that BLM don't endorse

[awz50]

Originally Posted by amazinhdgaming

#AllLivesMatter should be the trend... Shouldnt have to pick sides.

Here?s Why It Hurts When People Say, ?All Lives Matter? | Vanity Fair

[pingbling23]

Why does blm (the normal one and the radical one, now since there is two) protest and disturb the peace before all the facts are out and before its known, the majority of the time, that the force was justified? The news interviewed three random blm members (not recorded, it was live) a couple of hours in Dallas after the officers were shot. the first was asked about due process and all she could blurt out was f**k the police, next guy said the officers in Baton Rouge needed to be in prison for murder, and the third stated blacks wanted their own stores, own banks, own police, etc saying segregation without saying it. I'm all for equality, but ever time I hear someone from this group it's either racist, untrue, twisted propaganda, or plain hate. Why is it ok for this group to break the law, chant about killing innocent people, chant God damn white america, etc. this group makes me sick with its constant ignorance and lawlessness.

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Why does blm (the normal one and the radical one, now since there is two) protest and disturb the peace before all the facts are out and before its known, the majority of the time, that the force was justified? The news interviewed three random blm members (not recorded, it was live) a couple of hours in Dallas after the officers were shot. the first was asked about due process and all she could blurt out was f**k the police, next guy said the officers in Baton Rouge needed to be in prison for murder, and the third stated blacks wanted their own stores, own banks, own police, etc saying segregation without saying it. I'm all for equality, but ever time I hear someone from this group it's either racist, untrue, twisted propaganda, or plain hate. Why is it ok for this group to break the law, chant about killing innocent people, chant God damn white america, etc. this group makes me sick with its constant ignorance and lawlessness.

In the same way you shouldn't condemn all white people when a white person shoots up movie theater or a school or church, you shouldn't let the actions of a small number represent them as a whole.

[amazinhdgaming]

Originally Posted by RossOK

You don't have to. You can believe all lives matter and still support the Black Lives Matter movement. Empathy is not a zero sum game.

I support Black lives latter, however, i support blue lives matter as well. The media portrays you have to support one, when you dont. Blacks arent the only targeted ones, basically every person of color. I also think its hypocritical how people of color discriminate against mixed people. In Middle school/High school i see it constantly. "Nawww you cant hang with us pretty boy" or something along those lines.

Black lives do matter, but i think Colored lives matter would be better. I had more on my mind but i forgot right now so yeah i dont want to get carried away.

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by awz50

Here?s Why It Hurts When People Say, ?All Lives Matter? | Vanity Fair

I hope everybody takes the time to read this.

[preakness]

^^^
Because the leaders of the protestors allow it

They don't try to prevent it
They give little sincerity when and if they apologize

[amazinhdgaming]

Oh, and people who deny that there is racial prejudice in our law enforcement, where have you been the past century? You should stop running away from problems and solve them. Thats why America is in the state it is in right now, too scared to confront our problems.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by RossOK

In the same way you shouldn't condemn all white people when a white person shoots up movie theater or a school or church, you shouldn't let the actions of a small number represent them as a whole.

Do you condemn all kkk members? Blm is a group of hate. It's time for another group to step up with a positive message. This isn't just a small number, this has been going on since the beginning. A lot of the ones I am talking about are area blm leaders, not random people just causing trouble.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by amazinhdgaming

Oh, and people who deny that there is racial prejudice in our law enforcement, where have you been the past century? You should stop running away from problems and solve them. Thats why America is in the state it is in right now, too scared to confront our problems.

You have to be PC bro! The Pussification of America!

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Do you condemn all kkk members? Blm is a group of hate. It's time for another group to step up with a positive message. This isn't just a small number, this has been going on since the beginning. A lot of the ones I am talking about are area blm leaders, not random people just causing trouble.

I'm not sure how you can put the KKK and BLM in the same category. One is a group whose core principal is the supremacy of the white race while the other asks to be treated equally.

[pingbling23]

A friend of mine that is black brought up an excellent point. He said that a large number of black people need to stop calling others racist and need to look in the mirror.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by RossOK

I'm not sure how you can put the KKK and BLM in the same category. One is a group whose core principal is the supremacy of the white race while the other asks to be treated equally.

that's what blm message should be, sadly that's not what's being conveyed by its members.

[amazinhdgaming]

Originally Posted by RossOK

I'm not sure how you can put the KKK and BLM in the same category. One is a group whose core principal is the supremacy of the white race while the other asks to be treated equally.

This right here^

[preakness]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

A friend of mine that is black brought up an excellent point. He said that a large number of black people need to stop calling others racist and need to look in the mirror.

One of my good friends, well actually he is my mailman, who is black said similar

[amazinhdgaming]

http://youtu.be/q0qD2K2RWkc

For those that havent seen this already, please do.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by amazinhdgaming

This right here^

Basically I'm pointing out that if a white or black does something, it shouldn't be applied to a whole race. If you and other members of a specific group do something, the group should be accountable. Just like I have no respect for any member of a white supremacy group, I'm not going to have respect for blm if they are not going to be accountable for their members and strongly preach against the wrong those members do.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by amazinhdgaming

http://youtu.be/q0qD2K2RWkc

For those that havent seen this already, please do.

Meh. Video was whatever
Need labels so that we can fill in the bubbles on some of those forms.

Others if no labels, then how should some scholarships be passed out??!!

[awz50]

One of the main differences between the KKK and BLM group is

The KKk purpose is too only have one race in the world: White.

The BLM movement is just to have damn equality.

It can be frustrating at times being treated like a second class citizen in some parts.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

I was being sarcastic with the last part but the fact of the matter is if you dont commit crimes you wont have violent interactions with the police for the most part.


Obviously there are bad cops, there is no getting around that and it needs to be fixed but i have a hard time feeling sorry for any career criminal or violent criminal shot by the police no matter if they are black white or any other color.

That's fine, but for a moment, try walking in the shoes of someone who does not commit crimes nevertheless being subjected to more interactions with the police than other law abiding people solely because of the color of your skin. Things have gotten better in this regard, but this still happens in America to this day. Do you think that might be frustrating?

[spuds1961]

If God would've just made us multi- colored like our pets there would be no racism as I look down at my black and white cat.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by jdandns

That's fine, but for a moment, try walking in the shoes of someone who does not commit crimes nevertheless being subjected to more interactions with the police than other law abiding people solely because of the color of your skin. Things have gotten better in this regard, but this still happens in America to this day. Do you think that might be frustrating?

I'm going to give you an example of how white people can be subjected to police harassment based on profiling, but I'm sure at the end of the day I am wasting my time because clearly you are one sided and stuck in your narrow-minded views.

In 2004 I was attending a conference on Galveston, Texas. I took the train from Washington D.C. to Longview, TX and the drove the rest of the way with a rental car I picked up at the airport in Longview.

On my way back to the train in Longview, I was pulled over in Humble, TX. I am white and my girlfriend who was there with me was white. The police officer asked for my license and started questioning me as to why I was in Texas. I thought this was odd, but I am always respectful to the police so I answered his questions. He told me he pulled me over because I was "following too close" to the vehicle in front of me. As he was running my license, I noticed a lot of vehicles traveling on each other's butts and found it odd. He came back, gave me a warning and sent me on my way.

About an hour and a half up the road, the State highway I was on branched off to the right through a town. As I came up to the turn lane, I noticed a cop on a hill facing my way but on the other side of the highway. I slowed down, because of the cop and turn, and made my turn in the turn lane. Around the corner was a Sonic, so we stopped for lunch. About 40 minutes later after eating, I pulled out onto the highway and a cop pulls me over. It was the same cop who saw me turn prior to eating. He started doing the same thing as the last cop. This time he claimed that I had drifted into the turn lane a "tad too early," going over the white lane and wanted to make sure I wasn't tired and needed a break. Duh! I just stopped for 40 minutes for lunch. Again, a warning and I was sent on my way. By this time I was getting suspicious.

When I arrived at the Longview Airport to turn the rental car back in, the lady at the counter asked me how the drive was. I told her about my experiences with the police. She looked at me and my girlfriend and then looked at the rental car tags and explained. Her husband was a police officer. The rental car had Virginia tags. The highway corridor we were on was a well known drug running corridor out of Houston and Galveston and the majority of drug runners used two white drivers (so they could drive all night) and had out of state plates.

So see, white people can be profiled by the police for doing nothing wrong.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by awz50

One of the main differences between the KKK and BLM group is

The KKk purpose is too only have one race in the world: White.

The BLM movement is just to have damn equality.

It can be frustrating at times being treated like a second class citizen in some parts.

100% this. ^^^^

I think the problem BLM will face (and is likely facing now) is the same problem all movements/groups face. The more it grows the more people become involved who don't hold the same persepctive as the initial idea. Someone may identify with 80% of the message but the 20% that is incongrous to their way of thinking dilutes the movement. It's happened to both political parties, it happened during the Civil Rights movement, it happened more recently with the Tea Party.

The original message, purpose, and point of these groups were never to harm anyone. But there is always someone or some subset that acts viciously in the name of the movement not even representing the movement that ultimately undermines the given movement.

Black Lives Matter. Yes, they absolutely do. But the movement isn't about that. It is about having a voice for those who need one. It isn't about a cop gunning down a criminal. It's about people jumping to a conclusion. It's about preventing someone from getting killed simply because someone else was suspicious.

Unfortunately the movement can't control it's membership. It can't control someone who twists it. Instead of getting offended over semantics, people should chill and try to understand the message. The point. And instead of getting offended, supporters of BLM should chill and try to understand some people get offended by semantics.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by spuds1961

If God would've just made us multi- colored like our pets there would be no racism as I look down at my black and white cat.

Religion is a no no in this thread, I believe