Jordan's premier card growth

[devo]

Lets assume these are the current values of these cards:

84 Star 101 BGS 9: $30,000

86 Fleer PSA 10: $35,000

06/07 Fleer rookie buyback auto /23 (raw) - $30,000


Which one has the most room to grow?

[Mongol]

Fleer only because it's considered the true rookie by collectors even though it came out 2 years after his rookie year. Head scratcher yes, but it's the most iconic basketball card.

Star 101 is kinda ugly and the buyback should go down as best auto Jordan card or 2nd best to 2009 exquisite flashbacks auto

Fleer rookie gets my vote. Wouldn't mind owning all 3

[hychang5]

06/07 Fleer rookie buyback auto /23 (raw) <-- never considered this one of this top cards, there are other signed rookies of his out there.

[devo]

Originally Posted by Mongol

Fleer only because it's considered the true rookie by collectors even though it came out 2 years after his rookie year. Head scratcher yes, but it's the most iconic basketball card.

Star 101 is kinda ugly and the buyback should go down as best auto Jordan card or 2nd best to 2009 exquisite flashbacks auto

Fleer rookie gets my vote. Wouldn't mind owning all 3

I agree the Fleer is by far his most iconic card, but there are just sooo many out there. Over 250 PSA 10's compared to just over 30 BGS 9's of the Star 101. I feel like that huge disparity could potentially make up for the visual appeal differences in the long run.

I think his 97 UD Game Jersey auto is his best auto card, followed by the buyback rookie and Exquisite Flashback.

Originally Posted by hychang5

06/07 Fleer rookie buyback auto /23 (raw) <-- never considered this one of this top cards, there are other signed rookies of his out there.

I guess it just comes down to a matter of taste. Yes there are other signed rookies, but its just not the same. If anything I consider his camp auto'd rookies altered cards and his 06 buyback as the real signed rookie because they were pack pulled. I think the buyback auto was the best possible way to honor the 20th anniversary of the 86 Fleer set. I just think it was an awesome idea.

[scqg]

Originally Posted by devo

Lets assume these are the current values of these cards:

84 Star 101 BGS 9: $30,000

86 Fleer PSA 10: $35,000

06/07 Fleer rookie buyback auto /23 (raw) - $30,000


Which one has the most room to grow?

Last two XRC bgs 9 sold (8.5 centering) went for 38 and 45ish i think. Star XRC bgs 9 is now pop 31. Fleer rc is better looking in my opinion but Star is more rare between the two due to low pop and poor centering on most cards. I would love to have both though but I guess too late to acquire a PSA10 at this moment

[ThoseBackPages]

Fleer RC is the most iconic Basketball card in existence

"how many there are" does not matter.
Star came out sooner... does not matter

Mantle 51B vs 52T comes to mind

[DiamondBuster97]

Originally Posted by Mongol

Fleer only because it's considered the true rookie by collectors even though it came out 2 years after his rookie year. Head scratcher yes, but it's the most iconic basketball card.

Star 101 is kinda ugly and the buyback should go down as best auto Jordan card or 2nd best to 2009 exquisite flashbacks auto

Fleer rookie gets my vote. Wouldn't mind owning all 3

i agree with him, even though the buyback is much more its also more rare to get an originally printer 86 fleer graded gem mint

[DiamondBuster97]

i mean much more rare but i agree with mongol

[Xiarmadillo]

Jordan Fleer made much more money for the grading companies through sheer volume of grades and regrades. Higher chance of them supporting that game. Plus countless dealers made a killing them playing that game
Star is a much better card imo, but doesnt necessarily mean it will go up as much.
The buyback RC will be more one of those cards either locked away or on Ebay with stupid BIN. There just isnt enough liquidity and sales could be all over the place, but always higher (especially with no oversight these days at all on Ebay)

[tommywillsburg]

buy back all day everyday, only 23 in the world and signed by jordan

not like you can pickup one even if you wanted to

[the27guy]

We needed another thread about Jordan rookies.

And fwiw, a toss up between the star and the auto. I'd probably go with the auto.

[ninjacookies]

If forced to choose, I'd probably say the Star.

The 86 fleer auto is definitely rare, but I think it has more of a niche appeal, as there are certain collectors that may feel that the auto destroyed the originality of the card. Almost like putting an aftermarket paint job on an antique Corvette Stingray.

I think the safest of all of them (I use that term very loosely) is the 86 fleer, just because of its iconic stature. There's just much more of them and the population reports seem to grow daily.

[exoticprince]

I'd go with the fleer RC auto buyback /23. Being the only pack pulled MJ RC auto to ever exist, guaranteeing the auto to be 100% authentic makes it so appealing to me. It's the only MJ RC auto really where there's zero uncertainty on the authenticity of the auto. I mean what will that card be worth in many years when MJ is no longer walking this earth.

[Chain]

I Think it is going to e the '84 Star.

With already over 250, and probably still growing, the population of the Fleer RC is most likely enough to satisfy the demand from high end collectors good number of years. And when these high end collectors get their Fleer RCs, they would be looking for that next white whale to distinguish their collections; and the Star XRC is a natual fit for that. I could imagine high end collectors paying a huge premium for the much rarer XRCs in top condition when they already have the RC.

I think this trend is probably underway right now. the Fleer Jordan RC being the most iconic basketball card could probably be considered a fact, but the Star XRC has also already built up a reputation. It is no longer the relative unknown that it was a couple of decades ago; most collectors today would recognize it, much more the high end collectors that have the means to buy it.

As for the autographed RC, it biggest drawback to me is that the concept can be repeated almost exactly the same way. If other signed Fleer RC buybacks are done in the future, it would surely eat up on the value of the original buybacks. Sure the first ones would still carry a premium, but surely potential buyers would think twice about paying so much more for practically the same card. And even if no repeat buyback happens, even the threat of it would be headwind to any increase in price of the signed RCs.

[Starman101]

1) Definately the Star 101 XRC

I DO NOT say this because I own one

Actually the main reason I bought one is because I still feel it is has plenty of upside long-term in the future over the next 20 years or so.....

The other reason is because the population numbers prove the Star 101 is truly rare

I believe high grades will continue to get locked up in PCs and come up for sale less often in the future, which I feel will only increase the value over time due to high demand and limited supply....

I knew I had to get this card when I could or I would regret not getting one for the price I paid at the time

And it was one of the best decisions I ever made in collecting and very proud of (See Avatar )

2) I agree with this....

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;11133573]
The 86 fleer auto is definitely rare, but I think it has more of a niche appeal, as there are certain collectors that may feel that the auto destroyed the originality of the card. Almost like putting an aftermarket paint job on an antique Corvette Stingray./QUOTE]

3) As far as the Fleer, I believe only the elite copies of this card (PSA 10 / BGS 9.5s) will increase in value in the future, though not at the rate the Star will long run as long as the population numbers continue to swell....

As far as lower grades, I think they will retain their value over time and keep up with inflation, but do not think they will yield that great of a return over time...

I will eventually pick up 1 or 2 high grade copies of this card for my PC, but for now I stay away as there are just too many available and too much market manipulation going on with this card....

I mean just go to PWCC at any given time and they will have at least 3-5 available for sale, each more expensive than they previously were....

I mean how long will this continue to go on??

I sold my PSA 8 86-87 Fleer in 2014 to help fund my Star 101 XRC with no regrets whatsoever
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Though if I wanted to pick out the best Jordan card to invest in, the 97-98 Game Jersey Auto Card would be the #1 card to invest in if you can find one for sale at a decent price....

That card will set new records every time its sold, again based on very low supply and high demand

All of these cards are great cards for sure though and should be appreciated by all MJ collectors !

[GC1980]

I voted the 86-87 Fleer in PSA 10. Just because it isn't extremely scarce does not mean it will not grow. A 1952 Topps Mantle isn't particularly rare but look at that.

The 86 Fleer appeals to the widest range of collectors by far. It is the most iconic by far.

I love the Star but sadly, unless PSA decides to get back no grading these I just don't see them exploding. There are too many people that see that as a scarlet letter on the card.

I also think the buyback is a great piece but it really only appeals to the basketball market whereas the PSA 10 appeals to all card collectors. There is also no shortage of camp signed versions.

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by Mongol

buyback should go down as best auto Jordan card or 2nd best to 2009 exquisite flashbacks auto

All good

But I feel MJs 2 most important (hence should be most valuable over time) MJ autos is his 96 SPx NNO and 97-98 Game Jersey Auto

If theres one card I wish I had, it would be the 97-98 Game Jersey Auto

That card is a pure beast!

[COMCMax]

Star 101

The rise of the popularity might force PSA hands into grading them again. That would send them through the roof with the set registry nuts.

I was blown away how much this beat up Star 101 BGS 4.5 ended at. I thought with the increase in price Ebay would get flooded with the 101's ,but there is usually only a dozen or so listed with HUGE BIN's. I think as time goes on it will be a must have to highend collectors.

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by Chain

With already over 250, and probably still growing, the population of the Fleer RC is most likely enough to satisfy the demand from high end collectors good number of years. And when these high end collectors get their Fleer RCs, they would be looking for that next white whale to distinguish their collections; and the Star XRC is a natual fit for that. I could imagine high end collectors paying a huge premium for the much rarer XRCs in top condition when they already have the RC.

Excellent point

Agree 100%

[hychang5]

Originally Posted by exoticprince

I'd go with the fleer RC auto buyback /23. Being the only pack pulled MJ RC auto to ever exist, guaranteeing the auto to be 100% authentic makes it so appealing to me. It's the only MJ RC auto really where there's zero uncertainty on the authenticity of the auto. I mean what will that card be worth in many years when MJ is no longer walking this earth.

While I respect everyone's choice, and the buyback RC is an amazing card, it is most definitely not the "only pack pulled MJ RC auto to ever exist". It is a buyback, and that is it. It was not put out as an autographed rookie card, it was a card bought back from the secondary market, autographed and numbered then inserted into packs. That does not make it an pack-pulled autographed rookie card, it makes it a buyback autographed card that happens to be his rookie card. You can't take a rookie card from a decade back, have the athlete autograph it then label it his autographed rookie.

The thing is, you cannot reproduce the other cards, you can make reprints of them, but you cannot reproduce them. Even it doesn't happen, it still remains a possibility that Upper Deck makes even more autographed buybacks of the Fleer rookie. As long as the possibility exists, I don't think it can touch the other two cards in this poll.

[exoticprince]

Originally Posted by hychang5

While I respect everyone's choice, and the buyback RC is an amazing card, it is most definitely not the "only pack pulled MJ RC auto to ever exist". It is a buyback, and that is it. It was not put out as an autographed rookie card, it was a card bought back from the secondary market, autographed and numbered then inserted into packs. That does not make it an pack-pulled autographed rookie card, it makes it a buyback autographed card that happens to be his rookie card. You can't take a rookie card from a decade back, have the athlete autograph it then label it his autographed rookie.

The thing is, you cannot reproduce the other cards, you can make reprints of them, but you cannot reproduce them. Even it doesn't happen, it still remains a possibility that Upper Deck makes even more autographed buybacks of the Fleer rookie. As long as the possibility exists, I don't think it can touch the other two cards in this poll.

Yes we are all aware of the facts, it is a buyback autographed rookie card of Michael Jordan pulled from an official released NBA product. It is the closest you will ever get to a pack pulled MJ RC auto. And it is the only signed MJ RC that you can guarantee the autos are 100% authentic. There are new psa 10 rcs popping up by the week. While I do respect your opinion, lets revisit this conversation 5 years down the road.

[hychang5]

Originally Posted by exoticprince

Yes we are all aware of the facts, it is a buyback autographed rookie card of Michael Jordan pulled from an official released NBA product. It is the closest you will ever get to a pack pulled MJ RC auto. And it is the only signed MJ RC that you can guarantee the autos are 100% authentic. There are new psa 10 rcs popping up by the week. While I do respect your opinion, lets revisit this conversation 5 years down the road.

Exactly, it's close to it, that's it, there is a possibility it could be reproduced, can you say that about the other two? For the record, I do not own any of the three cards in the poll, and the votes are fairly close so everyone has their own personal preference. If the card were to be put up for auction would it draw a ton of money? Yes, but I gave me reasons why it isn't in the same category as the other two cards, and it's just my personal opinion. If we're talking about the potential to grow in value as was asked in the original topic, I'd go with the Star or Fleer because while the signed buyback would sell for a lot of money now, I don't see it increasing as much as the other two. We'll see in about five years, no way to really tell now!

[exoticprince]

Originally Posted by hychang5

Exactly, it's close to it, that's it, there is a possibility it could be reproduced, can you say that about the other two? For the record, I do not own any of the three cards in the poll, and the votes are fairly close so everyone has their own personal preference. If the card were to be put up for auction would it draw a ton of money? Yes, but I gave me reasons why it isn't in the same category as the other two cards, and it's just my personal opinion. If we're talking about the potential to grow in value as was asked in the original topic, I'd go with the Star or Fleer because while the signed buyback would sell for a lot of money now, I don't see it increasing as much as the other two. We'll see in about five years, no way to really tell now!

I know I have seen your MJ Auto PC, and it was one of the inspirations for me to begin collecting MJ 90's autos . Yes time will tell

[devo]

Awesome replies here. Everyone has made great points. I think each of these cards have big pros and big cons.

84 Star -

Pro: There is a very limited supply available compared to the 86 Fleer

Con: It's overshadowed by the 86 Fleer which is the most iconic card in the hobby.

86 Fleer-

Pro: Most iconic card in the hobby

Con: There's thousands and thousands of them out there

06/07 Fleer buyback auto-

Pro: There was only 23 made and it's his auto'd rookie

Con: As others have mentioned, there's a certain niche for a card like this and it doesn't necessarily appeal to everyone since that's not how the card was originally released

In the end, only time will tell and it will be interesting to revisit this thread in a few years.

[Hoopsfanatic]

Originally Posted by devo

Lets assume these are the current values of these cards:

84 Star 101 BGS 9: $30,000

86 Fleer PSA 10: $35,000

06/07 Fleer rookie buyback auto /23 (raw) - $30,000


Which one has the most room to grow?

The Star in a 9 is already worth more than the Fleer in a 10.

In fact, you can even state that - pound for pound - the 84 Star is worth "multiples" of the 86 Fleer in every grade from "Raw" to 10.