2016 bowman pricing predictions

[zacsoccer6]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's a good run of cases; but it means that they'll be a bad run of Jumbo's somewhere too. Only 1,750 Gold prospect autos and 5,500 cases; just a matter of numbers.

Don't know if he has said whether his gold was a rookie or a prospect. Would be 2450 total which I think would lead to a good chance of a gold or higher per box, especially in hobby.

[bighunt172]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

again, still no base of bregman, rodgers, or swanson that we know of

he hit a base swanson, so they atleast made them

[puck419]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

again, still no base of bregman, rodgers, or swanson that we know of

Swanson base auto was pulled in case 2 i think of todays break

No Moncada base yet tho

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by bighunt172

he hit a base swanson, so they atleast made them

I think every one has base
otherwise, they are not sp, they just don't exist, lol
but I bet they all have base, just much more sp than the base autos of you will see every 2-3 cases

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by puck419

Swanson base auto was pulled in case 2 i think of todays break

No Moncada base yet tho

ok, so 1 in 15 cases, sounds sp to me

[puck419]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

ok, so 1 in 15 cases, sounds sp to me

You are correct wasn't denying it just letting you know

[bighunt172]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I think every one has base
otherwise, they are not sp, they just don't exist, lol
but I bet they all have base, just much more sp than the base autos of you will see every 2-3 cases

yea i know just stating they made them, someone said the schwarber 2nd prospect auto didnt have a base, is that correct?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by bighunt172

Said he has hit 10 seymour autos lol

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I think every one has base
otherwise, they are not sp, they just don't exist, lol
but I bet they all have base, just much more sp than the base autos of you will see every 2-3 cases

Sometimes it's not about what you aren't pulling, but what you are. If this is accurate in that he's hitting a lot of the same couple of names, then it gives more credence to the guys you're not seeing being tougher pulls. In the same way that '14 Topps Chrome football delivered the same names from the bottom, you might see higher numbers from the lower end guys in this release, IF the big boys are SP'ed.

[bighunt172]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Sometimes it's not about what you aren't pulling, but what you are. If this is accurate in that he's hitting a lot of the same couple of names, then it gives more credence to the guys you're not seeing being tougher pulls. In the same way that '14 Topps Chrome football delivered the same names from the bottom, you might see higher numbers from the lower end guys in this release, IF the big boys are SP'ed.

dont bring up 2014 chrome football, man that was just brutal

[phil]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

again, still no base of bregman, rodgers, or swanson that we know of

There also was a base Bregman, and Brent's 10 case guy apparently pulled enough of them to not list it as potential SP

[dasiegel]

Originally Posted by bighunt172

lol like bregman?

Originally Posted by rob11nats

these cases are UNREAL so far...Maeda, blue Moncada, gold Bregman...would love to rip 5 cases like this

Yea I have Bregman in Houdini's 10 caser and I think he was the best player in the draft although I'd be fine with the argument for Rodgers

[JEA2880]

As someone who paid a crapload of money for Swanson in the 50 case draft last night I'll be sick if he's 1:15 cases!

[bighunt172]

Originally Posted by dasiegel

Yea I have Bregman in Houdini's 10 caser and I think he was the best player in the draft although I'd be fine with the argument for Rodgers

i had rodgers in daves 20 case draft hit a gold purple 2 ref and 6 case was very happy got a 9.5 on gold

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Sometimes it's not about what you aren't pulling, but what you are. If this is accurate in that he's hitting a lot of the same couple of names, then it gives more credence to the guys you're not seeing being tougher pulls. In the same way that '14 Topps Chrome football delivered the same names from the bottom, you might see higher numbers from the lower end guys in this release, IF the big boys are SP'ed.

I will re-word what I said of that 10-case break to help clarify

from his 10-case break
he pulled 0 swanson, moncada, rodgers, cameron base autos
2 maeda
he said all others fell at similar rates of 3 or 4 except 3 guys (he pulled 5 of kramer, dejong, garrett)

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by JEA2880

As someone who paid a crapload of money for Swanson in the 50 case draft last night I'll be sick if he's 1:15 cases!

Sorry but given the past and how top guys have been SP'd before how do you not plan for this? Just genuinely curious.

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by phil

There also was a base Bregman, and Brent's 10 case guy apparently pulled enough of them to not list it as potential SP

I didn't mean Bregman
I meant Cameron
(you were quoting me, lol)

sorry, I corrected it

Bregman not sp

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by JEA2880

As someone who paid a crapload of money for Swanson in the 50 case draft last night I'll be sick if he's 1:15 cases!

could be 1:5 or 1:25 who knows
but there is always color

his base just does not appear to fall at same rate as the regular 30 guys

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Sorry but given the past and how top guys have been SP'd before how do you not plan for this? Just genuinely curious.

agree, especially when guys who previously had a BC auto were SP the following release, well at least recently, with Topps, who ever knows, lol

[bighunt172]

case 6

bregman base auto
espinoza base auto
robles base auto

2 blue auto
3 purple auto

5 rookie autos including seager

first turn 2 auto tate/brinson
soph standout auto Syndergaard

gold chrome moncada

[bighunt172]

also said seymour was the only one that he had hit a bunch off (another one in case 6)

[JEA2880]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Sorry but given the past and how top guys have been SP'd before how do you not plan for this? Just genuinely curious.

I think it's unfair to assume everyone would naturally assume there were SP's given what's happened in the past - it's my own ignorance for being largely "out of the game" the past few years but I thought I did enough due diligence, especially considering I knew he already had an Auto so truthfully the thought never even crossed my mind. Apparently not.

Part of me feels misled because of the anticipated auto hits/ratios posted in the terms of the break. Terms state that on average there will be ~18.4 autos/player without any mention of any possible SP's. While I certainly understand that there are no guarantees, the ratio posted is NOT 18.4 Auto's when there are SP's and suggesting so is misleading. I looked in both the case details and sell sheet and didn't see any mention of SP's so didn't think this would be something I'd have to worry about. Had I known that there was a potential for something like this I probably would've sat the break out but instead it looks like I might be in for an expensive lesson.

[bighunt172]

Originally Posted by JEA2880

I think it's unfair to assume everyone would naturally assume there were SP's given what's happened in the past - it's my own ignorance for being largely "out of the game" the past few years but I thought I did enough due diligence, especially considering I knew he already had an Auto so truthfully the thought never even crossed my mind. Apparently not.

Part of me feels mislead because of the anticipated auto hits/ratios posted in the terms of the break. Terms state that on average there will be ~18.4 autos/player without any mention of any possible SP's. While I certainly understand that there are no guarantees, the ratio posted is NOT 18.4 Auto's when there are SP's and suggesting so is misleading. I looked in both the case details and sell sheet and didn't see any mention of SP's so didn't think this would be something I'd have to worry about. Had I known that there was a potential for something like this I probably would've sat the break out but instead it looks like I might be in for an expensive lesson.

but assuming they all have the color autos, then your odds on those are the same and thats where they money is

[rob11nats]

Originally Posted by JEA2880

I think it's unfair to assume everyone would naturally assume there were SP's given what's happened in the past - it's my own ignorance for being largely "out of the game" the past few years but I thought I did enough due diligence, especially considering I knew he already had an Auto so truthfully the thought never even crossed my mind. Apparently not.

Part of me feels misled because of the anticipated auto hits/ratios posted in the terms of the break. Terms state that on average there will be ~18.4 autos/player without any mention of any possible SP's. While I certainly understand that there are no guarantees, the ratio posted is NOT 18.4 Auto's when there are SP's and suggesting so is misleading. I looked in both the case details and sell sheet and didn't see any mention of SP's so didn't think this would be something I'd have to worry about. Had I known that there was a potential for something like this I probably would've sat the break out but instead it looks like I might be in for an expensive lesson.

Hopefully you'll hit some nice color to make up for the lack/shortage of base.

But the average numbers posted were spot-on based on the wrapper odds. SPs are never announced.

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by JEA2880

I think it's unfair to assume everyone would naturally assume there were SP's given what's happened in the past - it's my own ignorance for being largely "out of the game" the past few years but I thought I did enough due diligence, especially considering I knew he already had an Auto so truthfully the thought never even crossed my mind. Apparently not.

Part of me feels misled because of the anticipated auto hits/ratios posted in the terms of the break. Terms state that on average there will be ~18.4 autos/player without any mention of any possible SP's. While I certainly understand that there are no guarantees, the ratio posted is NOT 18.4 Auto's when there are SP's and suggesting so is misleading. I looked in both the case details and sell sheet and didn't see any mention of SP's so didn't think this would be something I'd have to worry about. Had I known that there was a potential for something like this I probably would've sat the break out but instead it looks like I might be in for an expensive lesson.

this is not to kick you when you feel down, but more just info for the future
and who knows, you may hit the super or a red or whatnot


but there are always SP in bowman, usually the top names, those that cost Topps more money too, and also those who have had autos previously
sp exist in all products not just bowman
they don't announce them or say on sell sheet, but they are there

edit: look at GQ, nearly 1/4th the auto checklist (best names) only have red /5 and black 1/1 in hobby....no base, no green /99, no gold /50

[bighunt172]

I have swanson and moncada in a 20 case break and im not worried, if they are sp then it means if we get one the value is that much higher