Anyone else watched Making of a Murderer? - Page 4

Megatron77 · 01-06-2016, 02:25 AM

Why was that family so disliked that they would go after the son like that? Why not go after the father? Also when the investigator that was working for Len Kachinsky read out the email he wrote in court sounded like a Hitler rant.

berkey33 · 01-06-2016, 03:17 AM

From the moment I saw that Len guy I thought, this guy seems off. Well I was right. Along with the Kraz, the way he talked I just didn't like the guy.

mainerunr · 01-06-2016, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

I don't see how he can be convicted. Too much reasonable doubt. What they did to that kid is ridiculous. His first lawyer along with that investigator should be thrown in prison.

It really is pretty simple. The 'documentary' left out key information that did not support their agenda, information that the jury saw but you did not.

No different than what the major network news does every single day...

Brobocop · 01-06-2016, 08:06 AM

To me, there are a few things on both sides that just leave me confused. Working for Avery, why is there no blood in his bedroom, why is only his DNA on the car key, why aren't his fingerprints in the car, what is his motive, and his nephew's forced confession. Working against Avery, why did he *67 each call to Teresa except the last one after she had possibly been killed, Teresa seemed to have had a bad first encounter with Avery, Avery is the last person to see her alive, the SUV was on his property, the sweat on the hood of the car matched one of Dassey's description of events, and Avery purchased handcuffs and shackles that may have been used to restrain Teresa.

Do I think the process was flawed and that the cops may have planted evidence, yes. Do I think Avery had something to do with this, yes. It wasn't shown in the documentary, but it seems like Avery had a slight obsession with Teresa to the point that she did not want to work with him anymore. You can also say that Brendan's confessions were forced but I honestly think he just says whatever he thinks the person he is talking to wants to hear.

I think the biggest takeaway here is that the judicial process is flawed and that murder cases are incredibly hard to convict.

byronscott4ever · 01-06-2016, 09:12 AM

I always thought that it was not illegal for the police to question someone without an attorney as long as the police follow proper procedures up to that point (mostly telling you all your rights) and then the person chooses to talk anyways.

Brobocop · 01-06-2016, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

I always thought that it was not illegal for the police to question someone without an attorney as long as the police follow proper procedures up to that point (mostly telling you all your rights) and then the person chooses to talk anyways.

It isn't illegal until a person asks for a lawyer to be present. It is also illegal for the police to question a minor if the minor requests either a lawyer or parent. Otherwise, I believe the police are free to question anyone at any time without the person needing a lawyer present.

Ray27Ray52 · 01-06-2016, 10:24 AM

Take with a grain of salt.. It's a TMZ link.

Steven Avery: My Brothers May Have Killed Teresa Halbach | TMZ.com

dherm360 · 01-06-2016, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mainerunr

It really is pretty simple. The 'documentary' left out key information that did not support their agenda, information that the jury saw but you did not.

No different than what the major network news does every single day...

I hope everyone realizes this was made as propaganda for the defense. If it was fairly slanted, we wouldn't be talking about this at all. These two women realize if they gave both sides no one would give two shits about this "documentary"

dherm360 · 01-06-2016, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

It isn't illegal until a person asks for a lawyer to be present. It is also illegal for the police to question a minor if the minor requests either a lawyer or parent. Otherwise, I believe the police are free to question anyone at any time without the person needing a lawyer present.

A minor under arrest cannot request to speak to his parents, but police must stop questioning as soon as he/she request representation

lobo_hacker · 01-06-2016, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dherm360

A minor under arrest cannot request to speak to his parents, but police must stop questioning as soon as he/she request representation

-Caveat: This isn't true depending on what state the minor is arrested in.

lobo_hacker

dherm360 · 01-06-2016, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lobo_hacker

-Caveat: This isn't true depending on what state the minor is arrested in.

lobo_hacker

It occurred in Wisconsin so parents do not have the right, they cannot also invoke the right to remain silent for the child

lobo_hacker · 01-06-2016, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dherm360

It occurred in Wisconsin so parents do not have the right, they cannot also invoke the right to remain silent for the child

-Right, but i had nothing else to contribute, wanted to be part of the cool club, and the statements didn't provide any sort of jurisdictional limit on what they were saying.

Thus, 'caveat'.

lobo_hacker

JosieD · 01-06-2016, 03:14 PM

I am only half way through episode 2 but the guy that drew the sketch is such a jerk.

death2redemptions · 01-06-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JosieD

I am only half way through episode 2 but the guy that drew the sketch is such a jerk.

He's a smug bastard.

So many smug bastards among the entire county.

Gurds · 01-06-2016, 08:57 PM

Green Bay Packers: Mike Halbach

Twinsfan33 · 01-07-2016, 01:00 AM

Just got done binge-watching it. It's amazing!!

Twinsfan33 · 01-07-2016, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

It was hard to watch. When I finished the series I told my kids if they are ever arrested for anything. Do not say anything until they talk to my wife or me so we can get them a lawyer. No way in hell I would allow a public defender handle my childs case. I understand they could not afford it, but the lack of common sense of Brendens mother was mind boggling to allow him to be questioned without her in the room.

She did say however that she wanted to be in there when they questioned him but THEY wouldn't let her. What does that say? Interesting...

Twinsfan33 · 01-07-2016, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurds

Green Bay Packers: Mike Halbach

Dude was weird. Him and her Ex are both strange. Wonder how the Ex was "magically" able to get into her voicemail box and listen to her messages. I wonder who deleted some of her messages? Him?...

coltsnsox07 · 01-07-2016, 02:06 AM

If only the family had contributed to Gov. Scott Walker's campaign(or recall defense), there'd be pardons aplenty for them!

death2redemptions · 01-07-2016, 03:28 AM

I hate this show. Not going to even bother watching episode 10. It's just makes me so angry with the injustice of both cases. Our court system is so flawed. Nearly the entire jury was biased from the start of the Steven Avery trial. They figured he was guilty from the start.

I find it interesting that the juror who could have eventually swayed at least a few other jurors to go with the count of not guilty suddenly had a family emergency.

JosieD · 01-07-2016, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by death2redemptions

I hate this show. Not going to even bother watching episode 10. It's just makes me so angry with the injustice of both cases. Our court system is so flawed. Nearly the entire jury was biased from the start of the Steven Avery trial. They figured he was guilty from the start.

I find it interesting that the juror who could have eventually swayed at least a few other jurors to go with the count of not guilty suddenly had a family emergency.

Yeah, I watched episode 2 yesterday while shredding some papers. I know I missed some stuff because of the noise. I am so tempted to ask the others that have watched it to tell me what evidence they left out. I know this is meant to make it look like he was completely railroaded in both cases and some people think he had something to do with the murder but how can a local justice system be so corrupt. He didn't even own underwear and the victim of the sexual assault said the assailant had white underwear on. I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around certian aspects of it.

Clarka3 · 01-07-2016, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by death2redemptions

I hate this show. Not going to even bother watching episode 10. It's just makes me so angry with the injustice of both cases. Our court system is so flawed. Nearly the entire jury was biased from the start of the Steven Avery trial. They figured he was guilty from the start.

I find it interesting that the juror who could have eventually swayed at least a few other jurors to go with the count of not guilty suddenly had a family emergency.

my fiance and I said "yeah, they made it a family emergency once they saw the juror had reasonable doubt"

Ray27Ray52 · 01-07-2016, 07:57 AM

Why are some of you acting like the excused juror was forced out? I'm trying to understand this. He wasn't asked to leave, he requested to be released for a family emergency. The emergency was a car accident that his daughter was involved in.

There are several perceived injustices in this case. This is certainly not one of them. No one is allowed in the jury room nor are they privy to what the jurors are discussing. I mean this is common knowledge.

death2redemptions · 01-07-2016, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Why are some of you acting like the excused juror was forced out? I'm trying to understand this. He wasn't asked to leave, he requested to be released for a family emergency. The emergency was a car accident that his daughter was involved in.

There are several perceived injustices in this case. This is certainly not one of them. No one is allowed in the jury room nor are they privy to what the jurors are discussing. I mean this is common knowledge.

I'm not saying that the accident was necessarily perpetrated by the cops (although I wouldn't put it pass them if they had) but I do find it very interesting that the one guy who could have swayed the verdict ends up having to leave right when the trial has finally ended. I sure bet his replacement voted guilty.

Ray27Ray52 · 01-07-2016, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by death2redemptions

I'm not saying that the accident was necessarily perpetrated by the cops (although I wouldn't put it pass them if they had) but I do find it very interesting that the one guy who could have swayed the verdict ends up having to leave right when the trial has finally ended. I sure bet his replacement voted guilty.

But that is precisely my point. It's not like the jurors are yelling out to everyone around them "This mf'er is going down!!!" as they walk in to the jurors room. No one, aside from the jurors, knows what they are talking about.

Police, judges, prosecutors, defense attorneys all have no idea which way a juror is leaning. This is taking conspiracy theories to a whole new level if what you propose could actually be true.

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01-06-2016, 02:25 AM	#76
Megatron77 Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: UK Posts: 138 guyanathugg	Why was that family so disliked that they would go after the son like that? Why not go after the father? Also when the investigator that was working for Len Kachinsky read out the email he wrote in court sounded like a Hitler rant.

01-06-2016, 03:17 AM	#77
berkey33 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: PC Ohio State Posts: 1,653 Berkey33	From the moment I saw that Len guy I thought, this guy seems off. Well I was right. Along with the Kraz, the way he talked I just didn't like the guy.

01-06-2016, 08:06 AM	#79
Brobocop Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 13,925 brobocop2	To me, there are a few things on both sides that just leave me confused. Working for Avery, why is there no blood in his bedroom, why is only his DNA on the car key, why aren't his fingerprints in the car, what is his motive, and his nephew's forced confession. Working against Avery, why did he *67 each call to Teresa except the last one after she had possibly been killed, Teresa seemed to have had a bad first encounter with Avery, Avery is the last person to see her alive, the SUV was on his property, the sweat on the hood of the car matched one of Dassey's description of events, and Avery purchased handcuffs and shackles that may have been used to restrain Teresa. Do I think the process was flawed and that the cops may have planted evidence, yes. Do I think Avery had something to do with this, yes. It wasn't shown in the documentary, but it seems like Avery had a slight obsession with Teresa to the point that she did not want to work with him anymore. You can also say that Brendan's confessions were forced but I honestly think he just says whatever he thinks the person he is talking to wants to hear. I think the biggest takeaway here is that the judicial process is flawed and that murder cases are incredibly hard to convict.

01-06-2016, 09:12 AM	#80
byronscott4ever Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 11,440	I always thought that it was not illegal for the police to question someone without an attorney as long as the police follow proper procedures up to that point (mostly telling you all your rights) and then the person chooses to talk anyways.

01-06-2016, 10:24 AM	#82
Ray27Ray52 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 22,676	Take with a grain of salt.. It's a TMZ link. Steven Avery: My Brothers May Have Killed Teresa Halbach \| TMZ.com

01-07-2016, 02:06 AM	#94
coltsnsox07 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 22,295	If only the family had contributed to Gov. Scott Walker's campaign(or recall defense), there'd be pardons aplenty for them!

01-07-2016, 03:28 AM	#95
death2redemptions Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Creeping in mama's cellar Posts: 59,303 ddavisaz	I hate this show. Not going to even bother watching episode 10. It's just makes me so angry with the injustice of both cases. Our court system is so flawed. Nearly the entire jury was biased from the start of the Steven Avery trial. They figured he was guilty from the start. I find it interesting that the juror who could have eventually swayed at least a few other jurors to go with the count of not guilty suddenly had a family emergency.

01-07-2016, 07:57 AM	#98
Ray27Ray52 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 22,676	Why are some of you acting like the excused juror was forced out? I'm trying to understand this. He wasn't asked to leave, he requested to be released for a family emergency. The emergency was a car accident that his daughter was involved in. There are several perceived injustices in this case. This is certainly not one of them. No one is allowed in the jury room nor are they privy to what the jurors are discussing. I mean this is common knowledge.