Anyone else watched Making of a Murderer?

[xbignick]

Good show and all but seems they left a lot out, just minutes of research brings up:


— Avery had purchased handcuffs and leg irons like the ones Dassey described holding Halbach only three weeks before (Avery said he’s purchased them for use with his girlfriend, Jodi, with whom he’d had a tumultuous relationship — at one point, he was ordered by police to stay away from her for three days).

— Here’s the piece of evidence that was presented at trial but not in the series that I find most convincing: In Dassey’s illegally obtained statement, Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard and that Avery had lifted the hood and removed the battery cable. Even if you believe that the blood in Halbach’s car was planted by the cops (as I do), there was also non-blood DNA evidence on the hood latch. I don’t believe the police would plant — or know to plant — that evidence.

In the months leading up to Halbach’s disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos. Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn’t want to go out to Avery’s trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach. On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity. Teresa’s camera and palm pilot were found in Avery’s burn barrel.

M. Did he make you do this?
B. Ya.
M. Then why didn't you tell him that.
B. Tell him what?
M. That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things.
B. Ya, I told them that. I even told them about Steven touching me and that.
M. What do you mean touching you?
B. He would grab me somewhere where I was uncomfortable.
M. Brendan I am your mother.
B. Ya.
M. Why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me? Was this all before this happened?
B. What do you mean?
M. All before this happened, did he touch you before all this stuff happened to you.
B. Ya.
M. Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened.
B. Ya
M. Yes, and you would still be here with me.
B. Yes, Well you know I did it.
M. Huh
B. You know he always touched us and that.
M. I didn't think there. He used to horse around with you guys.
B. Ya, but you remember he would always do stuff to Brian and that.
M. What do you mean.
B. Well he would like fake pumping him
M. Goofing around
B. Ya but, like that one time when he was going with what's her name Jessica's sister.
M. Teresa?
B. Ya. That one day when she was over, Steven and Blaine and Brian and I was downstairs and Steven was touching her and that.
M. Really
B. Ya.
M. Oh, he makes me so sick

Obviously corrupt cops and there's that lady he claims her husband did it and stuff but hmm.

[Ray27Ray52]

A petition to pardon Avery has reached 100,000 signatures. Ridiculous. An investigation perhaps? I'm all for it. But an outright pardon and release from prison based on a slanted documentary is just laughable. Just a sign of the times with the mindless sheep that make the world go round.

[ArsonCuff]

Originally Posted by xbignick

Good show and all but seems they left a lot out, just minutes of research brings up:


— Avery had purchased handcuffs and leg irons like the ones Dassey described holding Halbach only three weeks before (Avery said he’s purchased them for use with his girlfriend, Jodi, with whom he’d had a tumultuous relationship — at one point, he was ordered by police to stay away from her for three days).

— Here’s the piece of evidence that was presented at trial but not in the series that I find most convincing: In Dassey’s illegally obtained statement, Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard and that Avery had lifted the hood and removed the battery cable. Even if you believe that the blood in Halbach’s car was planted by the cops (as I do), there was also non-blood DNA evidence on the hood latch. I don’t believe the police would plant — or know to plant — that evidence.

In the months leading up to Halbach’s disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos. Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn’t want to go out to Avery’s trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach. On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity. Teresa’s camera and palm pilot were found in Avery’s burn barrel.

M. Did he make you do this?
B. Ya.
M. Then why didn't you tell him that.
B. Tell him what?
M. That Steven made you do it. You know he made you do a lot of things.
B. Ya, I told them that. I even told them about Steven touching me and that.
M. What do you mean touching you?
B. He would grab me somewhere where I was uncomfortable.
M. Brendan I am your mother.
B. Ya.
M. Why didn't you come to me? Why didn't you tell me? Was this all before this happened?
B. What do you mean?
M. All before this happened, did he touch you before all this stuff happened to you.
B. Ya.
M. Why didn't you come to me, because then he would have been gone then and this wouldn't have happened.
B. Ya
M. Yes, and you would still be here with me.
B. Yes, Well you know I did it.
M. Huh
B. You know he always touched us and that.
M. I didn't think there. He used to horse around with you guys.
B. Ya, but you remember he would always do stuff to Brian and that.
M. What do you mean.
B. Well he would like fake pumping him
M. Goofing around
B. Ya but, like that one time when he was going with what's her name Jessica's sister.
M. Teresa?
B. Ya. That one day when she was over, Steven and Blaine and Brian and I was downstairs and Steven was touching her and that.
M. Really
B. Ya.
M. Oh, he makes me so sick

Obviously corrupt cops and there's that lady he claims her husband did it and stuff but hmm.

Just seconds of research shows the main sources the person who wrote the article quoted is just Reddit threads, probably rife with trolling, misinformation, and fantasy fiction theories...the claims are not currently backed by any proven evidence not handled by potentially corrupt law officials. Phone conversations were shown to be all over the place, admitting and not admitting things.....shackles purchase if true could be said to be a source for the boy's story about her on the bed, if he had seen them, I mean, the murder scenario involving her being cut in there seems silly IF there wasn't any blood or DNA found in there. Camera and palm pilot found in barrel? No more damning than HER BONES FOUND THERE ha ha if someone dumped the bones there, might as well have dumped her phone and such too..IF. I've also read someone saying Avery's DNA was on the phone and such...but still, just Internet claims unless someone backs it with proof of some convincing sort, which maybe there is? Internet don't know currently...

Her body sure did get around though (according to show showing prosecution's case)...throat cut in the bedroom, then shot in the garage....then stored in the back of her vehicle(they said the blood in the rear was hers and the pattern was from her hair)...then burned in the burn pit...OR maybe killed somewhere by someone via one of the other theories and the police found her and her vehicle at the quarry (where pieces of her pelvis bones were found according to the show/ also it would explain the cop potentially calling to run the plate as shown in the show ala he was looking at it) and then relocated it to save their careers and avoid a 36 million lawsuit.

What a mess it all is....I wouldn't be surprised if he did it, wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. I say we let him out and see if he kills again just to better gauge the situation. I mean, he has served 18 years++ already, not like people don't get less than that for murder from time to time.

There's also a Reddit discussion and I guess youtube videos from a guy claiming it was all a part of secret cult sex club thing that a lot of the town is involved in..lol..that one has a pretty good plot.

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

A petition to pardon Avery has reached 100,000 signatures. Ridiculous. An investigation perhaps? I'm all for it. But an outright pardon and release from prison based on a slanted documentary is just laughable. Just a sign of the times with the mindless sheep that make the world go round.

Ex freaking zactly. The power of social media (or any media) in general is grotesque. The damn sheep cannot even do their own research before spouting off and defending a subject like they are eyewitness experts. Scientific studies and unbiased reports are NEVER taken into account. I guarantee most people wouldn't even know where to look for scientific journals. So many jerkoffs on my FB sharing "studies" or "dangers" about this and that, makes me wanna go back to the damn stone age. End rant.

I finished the documentary a few days ago and looked at as a very biased documentary, but it did show some corrupt and very inept handlings of this case. I cannot have a valid opinion on the actual case without looking at court documents myself and further research. Very entertaining though, I'd recommend to someone for entertainment. Not a jackwagon looking for a blind crusade to support.

[Clarka3]

here's my thing- either the guy is a criminal mastermind or he isn't.


they tried to paint him as such, but then he would park her vehicle in PLAIN SIGHT in their own junkyard? sure.



I didn't sign that petition that went around, but i would definitely sign one to have a third party to go over the case.

[avjp87]

so is it a episode thing or one big documentary thing?

[Gurds]

Originally Posted by avjp87

so is it a episode thing or one big documentary thing?

it's 10 one hour-ish episodes

[SaveMeTheGum]

Man, this was an incredible roller coaster ride. So many questions, so many frustrating outcomes. Bravo to the people who put this thing together. It was absolutely riveting.

[lobo_hacker]

-Mom mentioned this the other day. Do they even try to make it a balanced view of the case or is the entire thing slanted? I don't know a lot about it, don't want to waste my time if it's got an agenda to sell.

lobo_hacker

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by lobo_hacker

-Mom mentioned this the other day. Do they even try to make it a balanced view of the case or is the entire thing slanted? I don't know a lot about it, don't want to waste my time if it's got an agenda to sell.

lobo_hacker

I would say the slant is probably about 65/35. The first couple of episodes are slanted but with a justifiable reason. From then on, yes, the documentary aims to convince you that a man has been wrongfully imprisoned and therefore does not tell the entire story.

My advice to anyone watching the documentary would be to focus less on whether or not Steven Avery is guilty, and more on the corruption within the Manitowoc PD and the numerous mishandlings of the murder case.

[babyfaceposey]

I don't see how he can be convicted. Too much reasonable doubt. What they did to that kid is ridiculous. His first lawyer along with that investigator should be thrown in prison.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

I don't see how he can be convicted. Too much reasonable doubt. What they did to that kid is ridiculous. His first lawyer along with that investigator should be thrown in prison.

That was the hardest part of the series to watch IMO. The interrogation process in and of itself is entirely imprudent. I cannot BELIEVE that it is legal to interrogate a minor in ANY state without the presence of his/her legal guardian.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

That was the hardest part of the series to watch IMO. The interrogation process in and of itself is entirely imprudent. I cannot BELIEVE that it is legal to interrogate a minor in ANY state without the presence of his/her legal guardian.

It was hard to watch. When I finished the series I told my kids if they are ever arrested for anything. Do not say anything until they talk to my wife or me so we can get them a lawyer. No way in hell I would allow a public defender handle my childs case. I understand they could not afford it, but the lack of common sense of Brendens mother was mind boggling to allow him to be questioned without her in the room.

[jbrandonw]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

I don't see how he can be convicted. Too much reasonable doubt. What they did to that kid is ridiculous. His first lawyer along with that investigator should be thrown in prison.

Thats what I'm saying. I don't know if he did it or not. I don't see how the jury could either. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, but that clearly wasn't the case here.

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

That was the hardest part of the series to watch IMO. The interrogation process in and of itself is entirely imprudent. I cannot BELIEVE that it is legal to interrogate a minor in ANY state without the presence of his/her legal guardian.

Let alone someone with his mental capacity.

[here2fu]

During Brandons testimony in court he says he made it all up from a book called Kiss The Girls.I did a quick search for the book and its about a rapist serial killer. That got my attention. It didnt seem like they even questioned him any further about the book.

[mrmojorisin71]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

Let alone someone with his mental capacity.

I teach special education and the first thing that stood out at the beginning of the movie was that his IQ was 70....that is well below average and just above what one would consider intellectually disabled. From that point, between he and Brendan, I found it hard to believe the accuracy and even truth in anything they said.

[Megatron77]

Watched it 10 hours straight, I had to watch the whole thing, I just could not believe what I was seeing and hearing. The lengths the police department & state went to just for Avery was just unreal and to have dragged Dassey into it was just sad. After watching that I then watched The Jinx, The Central Park Five and The Imposter which I recommend if anyone hasn't seen them.

[JosieD]

I just watched the first episode. To exploit a man with an iq of 70 and 4 kids is sickening. He had a very solid alibi. I just don't get it.

I have no clue when I will get to watch the last 9.

[death2redemptions]

OMG...on episode 3 and I can't stop yelling at the screen! It's a great show but I don't know if I can make it episode 10 without throwing the television out the window. The DA, the sheriff & the detectives who interview the slow 16 year old kid all deserve to be thrown in prison for life, some place where cop hating sexual offenders dominate the population. I honestly don't think I'll be able to finish the season because it's so damn infuriating!

If he is found guilty at the end I might just have stroke. (No spoilers please!)

[mrmojorisin71]

Originally Posted by death2redemptions

OMG...on episode 3 and I can't stop yelling at the screen! It's a great show but I don't know if I can make it episode 10 without throwing the television out the window. The DA, the sheriff & the detectives who interview the slow 16 year old kid all deserve to be thrown in prison for life, some place where cop hating sexual offenders dominate the population. I honestly don't think I'll be able to finish the season because it's so damn infuriating!

If he is found guilty at the end I might just have stroke. (No spoilers please!)

I'm kinda stuck at episode 4 because I can't think clearly. Specifically how both accused are 2 pancakes short of a stack and the fact that if any of the kids story is correct how is there not blood anywhere and why would blood be in the vehicle if she was killed on site and burned there as well. Perplexing to say the least, I however, want to believe that the police have the best of intentions. At this point I'm at a stalemate.

[death2redemptions]

Originally Posted by mrmojorisin71

I'm kinda stuck at episode 4 because I can't think clearly. Specifically how both accused are 2 pancakes short of a stack and the fact that if any of the kids story is correct how is there not blood anywhere and why would blood be in the vehicle if she was killed on site and burned there as well. Perplexing to say the least, I however, want to believe that the police have the best of intentions. At this point I'm at a stalemate.

The fact that the slow nephew was questioned without a lawyer or parent present boggles my mind. Isn't that completely illegal?

[tacoma34]

Originally Posted by death2redemptions

The fact that the slow nephew was questioned without a lawyer or parent present boggles my mind. Isn't that completely illegal?

Unethical, illegal and disgusting if you ask me. Don't we have a resident lawyer around here?

[lakesidez]

I currently live (34+ years) and grew up 30 miles from Manitowoc, I really do believe his fate "trial-wise" was set even before going to trial. The family even prior to this mess is so disliked in the area, and there is no way in the world he would have ever received a fair trial in or near Manitowoc. It's a shame, guilty or not, that I don't have an opinion on, but trial wise he and anyone in a mess deserves a fair just trial, and that I do not believe he received.

This documentary has sure created an uproar in the near surrounding area, not sure if that's good or bad.

[mrmojorisin71]

Originally Posted by death2redemptions

The fact that the slow nephew was questioned without a lawyer or parent present boggles my mind. Isn't that completely illegal?

I do agree with that (at least I think it would be true), and I also believe that if it were illegal, the information from that interrogation would be thrown out....the. Again, logic doesn't always unfold as it seems.