Anyone else watched Making of a Murderer? - Page 2

Ray27Ray52 · 12-30-2015, 04:08 PM

Buting's questioning of the FBI laboratory/agent who tested the blood samples from the Rav4 was an abomination. The agent showed remarkable restraint from what was shown in the film. This guy had zero vested interest in this case. He had no connection to the deceased, the accused, or the local police department. The entire line of questioning was ridiculous and out of order in my opinion.

Ray27Ray52 · 12-30-2015, 04:37 PM

I'm an innocent man and everyone knows I'm innocent so I have no reason to testify. Ummmm... ok riggggghhhttttt.

calculusdork · 12-30-2015, 05:04 PM

At this point in the show, the only thing I'm nearly 100% sure about is that Steven Avery knows what happened to her.

Ooosh · 12-30-2015, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

Is this show appropriate for a 15 year old girl? Looking for a new show to watch with my wife and daughter and I have heard so much about this already. I love 20/20 type stuff, but wondering if the content might be a bit much for my teenage daughter? Appreciate the insight. Thanks!

If you let her watch something like Law & Order SVU, this is not as bad as that.

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Originally Posted by calculusdork

At this point in the show, the only thing I'm nearly 100% sure about is that Steven Avery knows what happened to her.

Yeah I was really perturbed initially but read a little more into it - not sure what to believe and in what capacity; however, I agree with Dean Strang (one of the attorneys): I sure hope Steven Avery and Brandon Dassey are guilty.

calculusdork · 12-30-2015, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ooosh

Yeah I was really perturbed initially but read a little more into it - not sure what to believe and in what capacity; however, I agree with Dean Strang (one of the attorneys): I sure hope Steven Avery and Brandon Dassey are guilty.

Indeed. We are thru 6 episodes, and not having previously seen any of the additional evidence that is presented in that article, my assumption was already both that Avery is guilty and the PD planted evidence

TheFrenzy · 12-31-2015, 02:23 AM

The only aspect of the 10-part series that is 100% clear is that the primary characters (Lenk and Colton) in a multimillion dollar lawsuit planted evidence.

End of story.

That fact alone should necessitate a mistrial. Literally nothing else matters with the above being true. The accused's name could be Judas Hitler the Hun and the very legal foundation of our justice system would demand everything be reset and retried.

jbrandonw · 12-31-2015, 02:24 AM

I'm on episode 4 as I type.

jbrandonw · 12-31-2015, 02:41 AM

If it turns out this kid really didn't do anything then these grown men obviously manipulating him need to go to jail. It's really sad to watch.

jared6180 · 01-01-2016, 01:27 AM

I am 4 or 5 episodes in, and it is great entertainment.

SaveMeTheGum · 01-01-2016, 10:58 AM

2 episodes left. I have to credit Netflix. The way they put this together was amazing. Obviously, a lot of the story speaks for itself, but the way they built the story, and all the twists and turns is incredible. Can't wait to finish it tonight!

ajw9356 · 01-01-2016, 11:15 AM

I'm sure that an investigation couldn't have been conducted any worse, the prosecutor was doing what he was supposed to, but there was a lot of information put out to the public that should not have been released.
I'm sure there's a lot of information not presented in the video, but man, I'm surprised there isn't some sort of repercussions for all that were involved.

Clarka3 · 01-01-2016, 06:36 PM

i can't understand how this didn't end in a mistrial once the one juror had to leave after deliberations started. that doesn't seem fair to me, even if there exists an option to continue with a sub.

honestly, i don't know if the guy did it or not after watching. What I do know is that there are a ton of glaring inconsistencies that prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that evidence was planted and tampered with, and the local PD was definitely involved more than they should have been the 2nd time around.

this whole trial should have been conducted in another state with a better chance of jurors not already filled up with personal biases.

here2fu · 01-01-2016, 09:29 PM

I am 6 episodes in and the PD is guilty. I havent seen any real evidence to confirm he did it. I do think its possible he did it though. Now the kid. Wow. They did him 3x as dirty. That lawyer he has should lose his right to practice.

Sauceman · 01-01-2016, 11:59 PM

Where is the blood?! Not a drop of her blood, up until ep. 6, was found??

GreatAlbert · 01-02-2016, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by calculusdork

At this point in the show, the only thing I'm nearly 100% sure about is that Steven Avery knows what happened to her.

Just finished, and this above is really the only thing I can say to this point. Do I think he is guilty, absolutely without a doubt. But the way evidence was presented and the times it was found give me reason to think. I do think the Brendan had something to do with it, but to what extent I have no idea. I think his trial was severely mishandled.

Great documentary and sad to say this happened in my state, but the slant that was on the documentary was heavy and it is a good idea to do some holistic research on both sides before you form your own opinion not based solely off these ten episodes.

jbrandonw · 01-02-2016, 01:25 AM

I just finished it and really don't know what to think.

jbrandonw · 01-02-2016, 01:27 AM

I mean your supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. I don't know if he is guilty or not, but I thought the lawyers did a great job of creating reasonable doubt.

jbrandonw · 01-02-2016, 01:30 AM

Im assuming nothing ever came of Lenk lying under oath. That prosecutor just aggravated me.

xbignick · 01-02-2016, 06:55 AM

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Clarka3 · 01-02-2016, 11:49 AM

i did read a press-release from the prosecutor stating that the doc leaves out a big piece of evidence- that the guy on trial had called AT office and specifically asked for the same girl that came the previous day, and used the *67 feature when calling her cell. Then, after the murder took place, tried to make an un-blocked call to give himself an alibi.

now, I also take everything that prosecutor says with a grain of salt, considering he had to resign due to a sexting scandal a few years ago.

I also felt that the defense did a great job of proving a reasonable doubt. I found the closing arguments of the prosecution to be confusing and misleading as well.

jbrandonw · 01-02-2016, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarka3

i did read a press-release from the prosecutor stating that the doc leaves out a big piece of evidence- that the guy on trial had called AT office and specifically asked for the same girl that came the previous day, and used the *67 feature when calling her cell. Then, after the murder took place, tried to make an un-blocked call to give himself an alibi.

now, I also take everything that prosecutor says with a grain of salt, considering he had to resign due to a sexting scandal a few years ago.

I also felt that the defense did a great job of proving a reasonable doubt. I found the closing arguments of the prosecution to be confusing and misleading as well.

What made me sick was the prosecutor kept saying how horrible it was that they were accusing these cops of framing him. Like he wasn't sitting there accusing Steven of something so much worse.

He said " if you find him not guilty you are saying that these cops killed, and mutilated her"

TheFrenzy · 01-02-2016, 11:03 PM

The bone ash found in the rock quarry, that's the nail in the coffin for me.

Clearly she wasn't killed and burned on the property and then a small bit of her ashes taken to a rock quarry.

Clearly she was killed in the quarry and then the majority of her ashes taken to the property.

Changes everything.

jlcherry2477 · 01-02-2016, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sauceman

Where is the blood?

I'm with this...couldn't they have sprayed luminol throughout the trailer to detect blood splatter?? They couldn't possibly clean every drop up....and then what about any evidence of chains/cuffs being used on the bed?

Sauceman · 01-03-2016, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jlcherry2477

I'm with this...couldn't they have sprayed luminol throughout the trailer to detect blood splatter?? They couldn't possibly clean every drop up....and then what about any evidence of chains/cuffs being used on the bed?

It is my biggest problem with the whole thing. So much is based on the "confession", yet not one single drop of blood, let alone the GUYSER that would result from a sliced throat, was ever found in the trailer, or the garage. Just absolutely mind boggling. After watching all ten episodes my best guess is that someone residing on the Avery compound (quite possibly Steven) saw Theresa as an easy mark, and ended up killing her. I just hope some day the truth is uncovered.

Clarka3 · 01-03-2016, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrandonw

What made me sick was the prosecutor kept saying how horrible it was that they were accusing these cops of framing him. Like he wasn't sitting there accusing Steven of something so much worse.

He said " if you find him not guilty you are saying that these cops killed, and mutilated her"

yeah that's the part that got me during the closing arguments. I was like "is he really trying to say that and the judge isn't checking him?"

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01-01-2016, 06:36 PM	#37
Clarka3 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 17,877 Clarka3 Clarka3	i can't understand how this didn't end in a mistrial once the one juror had to leave after deliberations started. that doesn't seem fair to me, even if there exists an option to continue with a sub. honestly, i don't know if the guy did it or not after watching. What I do know is that there are a ton of glaring inconsistencies that prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that evidence was planted and tampered with, and the local PD was definitely involved more than they should have been the 2nd time around. this whole trial should have been conducted in another state with a better chance of jurors not already filled up with personal biases. __________________ Luke Kuechly Collector pending: w8lifter28 (custom), Don't ask me how much I want to offer. Come with a price in mind. If I don't want it or think it's worth that, I will let you know.

12-30-2015, 04:08 PM	#26
Ray27Ray52 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 22,676	Buting's questioning of the FBI laboratory/agent who tested the blood samples from the Rav4 was an abomination. The agent showed remarkable restraint from what was shown in the film. This guy had zero vested interest in this case. He had no connection to the deceased, the accused, or the local police department. The entire line of questioning was ridiculous and out of order in my opinion.

12-30-2015, 04:37 PM	#27
Ray27Ray52 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 22,676	I'm an innocent man and everyone knows I'm innocent so I have no reason to testify. Ummmm... ok riggggghhhttttt.

12-30-2015, 05:04 PM	#28
calculusdork Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Nowheresville Posts: 26,683 calculusdork calculusdork	At this point in the show, the only thing I'm nearly 100% sure about is that Steven Avery knows what happened to her.

12-31-2015, 02:23 AM	#31
TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	The only aspect of the 10-part series that is 100% clear is that the primary characters (Lenk and Colton) in a multimillion dollar lawsuit planted evidence. End of story. That fact alone should necessitate a mistrial. Literally nothing else matters with the above being true. The accused's name could be Judas Hitler the Hun and the very legal foundation of our justice system would demand everything be reset and retried.

01-01-2016, 01:27 AM	#34
jared6180 Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Kansas Posts: 4,421	I am 4 or 5 episodes in, and it is great entertainment.

01-01-2016, 09:29 PM	#38
here2fu Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 452	I am 6 episodes in and the PD is guilty. I havent seen any real evidence to confirm he did it. I do think its possible he did it though. Now the kid. Wow. They did him 3x as dirty. That lawyer he has should lose his right to practice.

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01-02-2016, 01:27 AM	#42
jbrandonw Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,351 Jbrandonw	I mean your supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. I don't know if he is guilty or not, but I thought the lawyers did a great job of creating reasonable doubt. __________________ I collect mainly Dallas Mavericks. Especially Dirk, Luka, and the 2011 championship guys.

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jbrandonw Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,351 Jbrandonw	Im assuming nothing ever came of Lenk lying under oath. That prosecutor just aggravated me. __________________ I collect mainly Dallas Mavericks. Especially Dirk, Luka, and the 2011 championship guys.

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01-02-2016, 11:49 AM	#45
Clarka3 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 17,877 Clarka3 Clarka3	i did read a press-release from the prosecutor stating that the doc leaves out a big piece of evidence- that the guy on trial had called AT office and specifically asked for the same girl that came the previous day, and used the 67 feature when calling her cell. Then, after the murder took place, tried to make an un-blocked call to give himself an alibi. now, I also take everything that prosecutor says with a grain of salt, considering he had to resign due to a sexting scandal a few years ago. I also felt that the defense did a great job of proving a reasonable doubt. I found the closing arguments of the prosecution to be confusing and misleading as well. __________________ Luke Kuechly Collector* pending: w8lifter28 (custom), Don't ask me how much I want to offer. Come with a price in mind. If I don't want it or think it's worth that, I will let you know. Last edited by Clarka3; 01-02-2016 at 11:54 AM.

01-02-2016, 11:03 PM	#47
TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	The bone ash found in the rock quarry, that's the nail in the coffin for me. Clearly she wasn't killed and burned on the property and then a small bit of her ashes taken to a rock quarry. Clearly she was killed in the quarry and then the majority of her ashes taken to the property. Changes everything.