OFFICIAL Blowout Redrafter's Dynasty League Thread

[Hollywood42]

Originally Posted by Homerun

Do one of these breakdowns between our offenses!

Here goes

Hollywood vs. Homerun

C- Wieters vs. Posey-------------------Advantage- Homerun. No catcher in the league could top Posey, but Wieters probably won't even be on my roster come draft time
1B- Goldschmidt vs. Encarnacio-------Advantage- Hollywood, easily
2B- Dozier vs. Pedroia-----------------Advantage- Hollywood. All homerisms aside, I'd take Dozier over Pedoria 10/10 times now, Dozier is entering his prime and has improved each of the past few years, Pedroia has gotten older and begun his decline
3B- Sano vs. Seager-------------------Advantage- Tie. I'd take a full season of Sano over a Seager any day, but will mark this as a tie as to not be a homer. Still predict Sano to be superior though, but can't say that yet until he plays a full season
SS- Escobar vs. Russell---------------Advantage- Hollywood. Russell may improve, but for now, it's Alcides
OF- Heyward vs. Eaton----------------Advantage- Tie. Depends on the type of player you're looking for. I'd go with Heyward, and I think most would too, but Eaton puts up surprising comparable numbers
OF- Cepdedes vs. Kemp---------------Advantage- Hollywood. Even if we can't expect a repeat of last season from Cespedes, Kemp is getting up there and I doubt a reasonable regression from Cespedes would drop him 100 points to meet Kemp
OF- Rosario vs. Upton-----------------Advantage- Homerun
Util- Frazier vs. LeMahieu-------------Advantage- Hollywood. Had a crap 2nd half and still ended with 75 more fantasy points. No reason to expect his 2nd half is his new norm
Util- Buxton vs. Piscotty---------------Advantage- Homerun. For now....
Bench- Desmond, Panik, Span, Brinson vs. Yunel, Yelich, Bird----------Advantage- Hollywood. Younger, deeper, would rather have my players as backups than Homerun's backups

Totals:
Hollywood- 6
Homerun- 3

Includes 2 ties, one of which being Sano/Seager where I fully expect Sano to be better in the long term

[Hollywood42]

They did both have career years. But Dozier is in his 3rd full season, has improved steadily every year, and this year didn't come out of nowhere in the slightest. That's no concern at all. Yes, we should expect a regression from Cespedes next year, but even if you take away 100 of his points (a LOT), he still outscores all of Homerun's OFs

Originally Posted by enbambam6986

I like Homeruns offense better because I think dozier and cespedes had career years and fraziers splits are bad

[Homerun]

I really can't argue with that analysis, except I feel that Russell is better than Escobar, at least from a fantasy perspective. That still puts Hollywood at 5 and me at 4. We're pretty evenly matched in regards to hitting, but I feel like my pitching is better.

He also still has to drop 2 of his guys before the draft, so that'll weaken his team a bit too for the time being.

[Hollywood42]

He may be in a few years, but Esco only played in 6 more games than Russell this year, and he scored nearly 100 points more than Russell. There's no way Addison beats him out right now. Maybe in a few years, but not now

Edit- Regarding my 2 drops, I don't think that'll have a huge impact. I'm not 100% set on who I will be dropping yet, but one of the guys I'm leaning towards dropping didn't do much for me this year, and his replacement I plan on taking in the draft should be much better almost immediately, provided awz or Gum doesn't steal him before me (I know SAF's guy for first overall and that's not who I want)

Originally Posted by Homerun

I really can't argue with that analysis, except I feel that Russell is better than Escobar, at least from a fantasy perspective. That still puts Hollywood at 5 and me at 4. We're pretty evenly matched in regards to hitting, but I feel like my pitching is better.

He also still has to drop 2 of his guys before the draft, so that'll weaken his team a bit too for the time being.

[Hollywood42]

Who else's offense/pitching should I compare? That's kinda fun

[enbambam6986]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Who else's offense/pitching should I compare? That's kinda fun

Gum's pitching vs Exit's pitching

[Hollywood42]

Originally Posted by enbambam6986

Gum's pitching vs Exit's pitching

Going to try to pair each team's top pitcher with each other, next best pitcher with each other, and so on, as that's the best way of doing this

Gum vs EMB

Starters:
1. Felix vs. Sonny Gray-----------------Advantage- Gum. Super close, but Felix gets the tiebreaker due to his track record and strikeout ability. This could easily change to Sonny if he puts together another dominant year or two
2. Arrieta vs. Archer---------------------Advantage- Gum. Another super close one. This one is tough because both pitchers kinda came out of nowhere last year. I'd expect a regression from both next year, but think Arrieta would regress less, if that makes sense
3. Fernandez vs. Darvish----------------Advantage- Exit. Geez, all of these are so close. Will be interesting to gauge this again when both are fully healthy. I give it to Darvish because he is absolutely a strikeout machine when healthy. It's incredible
4. Cueto vs. Zimmerman----------------Advantage- Gum. Another tough one, I think Cueto's move back to the NL makes him a better fantasy piece than Zimmerman after moving to the AL
5. Carrasco vs. Odorizzi-----------------Advantage- Gum. This is where Gum's depth starts to take over. I'm not sold on Odorizzi yet either
6. Salazar vs. Hammels-----------------Advantage- Gum. Younger, better strikeout potential
7. Richards vs. Berrios------------------Advantage- Gum. Has to be Richards until Berrios debuts, but Berrios could easily be a much better pitcher in a year or two
8. Stroman vs. Corbin--------------------Advantage- Exit. It's Corbin for not, but Stroman may have the better future. Don't know a lot about either of these guys
9. Ian Kennedy vs. Urias------------------Advantage- Exit. Kennedy's nothing special in fantasy, so I give the nod to Urias' potential for now
Other SPs-
Holland, Tropeano vs. Brian Johnson------Advantage- Gum. Gum just has so many frickin SPs

Relievers:
1. Robertson vs. Chapman------------------Advantage-Exit, hard to top Chapman even with his possible suspension
2. Casilla vs. Giles---------------------------Advantage- Exit
3. Wilhemsen vs. Doolittle------------------Advantage- Exit, think Doolittle will be better this year

Totals (starters):
Gum- 7
Exit- 3

It's pretty much impossible to top Gum because he has so much depth, both in quality and quantity. You could easily argue Sonny over Felix, but you could easily argue Fernandez over Darvish as well. Overall, it's hard for anyone to put up much of a fight against Gums's SPs

Totals (relievers):
Gum- 0
Exit -3

Exit does win the closer battle pretty easily. However, when you have the pitching staff Gum does, all you really need are 2 somewhat competent closers and you'll be fine

[Hollywood42]

I'm going to get lunch quick and then I'll compare the offenses of 2 teams with the worst records last year- SAF and awz

[SaveMeTheGum]

I would concede Sonny over Felix in dynasty due to age, but I'm taking both Richards and Stroman over Berrios and Corbin.

Also, since I believe JoFer is the best pitcher in baseball, I'll take him over Darvish both in age and stuff. Thanks for the comparison work!

[Hollywood42]

Both these teams should be a lot better than they were last year, but here's my comparison of the 2 last place finishers' offenses-

SAF vs. awz

C- Schwarber vs. Gattis------------------Advantage- SAF. Gattis is solid, but man can Schwarber hit
1B- Belt vs. Duda-------------------------Advantage- Tie. Pretty close here, neither is super good or super bad, both are about average
2B- Phillips vs. Kendriks-----------------Advantage- SAF. Both are aging and might not be relevant too much longer, but Phillips wins this one
3B- Castellanos vs. Tomas---------------Advantage- awz. I'll give awz this one, I think we know what kind of player Castellanos is already (below average), but there's still lots of time for Tomas to turn into the player he was hyped to be
SS- Igelsias vs. nobody-------------------Advantage- SAF. Igelsias sucks in fantasy, but it beats an empty space
OF- Billy Burns vs. Harper----------------Advantage- awz. Not close
OF- Alex Gordon vs. Puig-----------------Advantage- SAF. Should be good when he comes back from injury, and I'm kinda thinking Puig won't reach his level he hit early on in his career again
OF- Garcia vs. Gomez--------------------Advantage- awz. Neither had incredible numbers last year, but this one was pretty easy for me
Util- Plouffe vs. Springer-----------------Advantage- awz. They were similar last year, but I think Plouffe has about reached his ceiling while Springer can improve a lot still
Util- Lindor vs. Ortiz----------------------Advantage- awz. Don't know how much longer, but Ortiz easily beats Lindor for now
Bench- Matt Adams, McKinney, Soler, Gallo, Yan Gomes vs. Sandoval, Swihart, Moncada, Judge--------------Advantage- awz. Moncada and Judge are big reasons why awz's bench wins

Totals:
SAF- 4
awz- 6

[Hollywood42]

Yeah, lots of close ones there. I'm hesitant with Fernandez because he's been hurt to much, but he sure is good when he's healthy. Don't know about the best in baseball, but pretty darn good

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

I would concede Sonny over Felix in dynasty due to age, but I'm taking both Richards and Stroman over Berrios and Corbin.

Also, since I believe JoFer is the best pitcher in baseball, I'll take him over Darvish both in age and stuff. Thanks for the comparison work!

[enbambam6986]

I still believe Castellanos will be a star. He's only 23

[Homerun]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

He may be in a few years, but Esco only played in 6 more games than Russell this year, and he scored nearly 100 points more than Russell. There's no way Addison beats him out right now. Maybe in a few years, but not now

Escobar had 137 more AB's than Russell...of course Escobar should outscore him.

Give me Russell over Escobar all day everyday. He's much younger and has a lot more power. He's just hitting his prime and Escobar will start declining at some point in the not so distant future.

[Highroller]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

I'm bored, I'll do a breakdown position by position of bambam and Highroller's offense:

bambam vs Highroller
C- d'Arnaud vs. Mesoraco----------------Advantage- bambam, only because Mesoraco hasn't played in forever and a half
1B- Adrian Gonzalez vs. Rizzo-----------Advantage- Highroller, in both short and long run
2B- Cano vs. Rendon---------------------Advantage- bambam, but Rendon has been hurt
3B- Wright vs. Donaldson----------------Advantage- Highroller
SS- Reyes vs. Correa--------------------Advantage- Highroller
OF- Choo vs. Bruce-----------------------Advantage- bambam, but it's close
OF- Braun vs. JD Martinez---------------Advantage- Highroller, but this one could be personal preference, it's pretty close
OF- Stanton vs. Reddick-----------------Advantage- bambam
Util- Fielder vs. Abreu-------------------Advantage- Tie. Fielder had more points last year, but I'd rather have Abreu
Util- Freeman vs. Dee Gordon-----------Advantage- Highroller. Freeman isn't as good in fantasy as he is in real life
Bench- Bryant, Tulo vs. Hanley, Wong, Polanco, Grichuk, Moustakas----------Advantage- bambam. Highroller is deeper, but bambam has 2 higher quality players

Total:
bambam- 5
Highroller- 5


Wow, that was actually a lot closer than I thought it would be. Bam, when did you get Standon and Bryant??

Going by name recognition too much. Moustakas had 10 less at bats and still scored more points than Bryant. Don't get caught up by Bryant's power in a points league, Moustakas ony had 76 k's to Bryants 199.

[Hollywood42]

Esco still scored 2.3 ppg compared to Russell's 1.8, and he just turned 29 a few days ago, he still has 3-5 years before I really have to worry about a decline. Plus, Alcides bats leadoff while Russell mostly bats 9th. That'll give more at bats and therefore more points to Escobar. They played in about the same number of games, so I don't really know how you can use at-bats as a detriment towards Escobar. He should get more points, and he did, and as a result, I still think that right now, Alcides is better

Originally Posted by Homerun

Escobar had 137 more AB's than Russell...of course Escobar should outscore him.

Give me Russell over Escobar all day everyday. He's much younger and has a lot more power. He's just hitting his prime and Escobar will start declining at some point in the not so distant future.

[Hollywood42]

I'd still take Bryant over Moustakas every day

Originally Posted by Highroller

Going by name recognition too much. Moustakas had 10 less at bats and still scored more points than Bryant. Don't get caught up by Bryant's power in a points league, Moustakas ony had 76 k's to Bryants 199.

[Highroller]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

I'd still take Bryant over Moustakas every day

Then you don't understand fantasy scoring I guess. I'll take the guy who scores more fantasy points. You have our offenses tied just going by position to position. Here's our top scorers from last year.

Josh Donaldson- 665.5
Prince Fielder- 524

Anthony Rizzo- 576.5
Adrian Gonzalez- 477

Jose Abreu- 490.5
Ryan Braun- 467.5

From our top 3 guys last year mine outscored his by 264 points alone.

[Hollywood42]

Where did I ever say that my comparisons determined who was the better team? Of course a team could be better position by position than another team and still be a worse team overall. These comparisons don't take into consideration the margin by which one position is better, that is something entirely different. I still think your team's offense is much better than anybody else's. But position by position, ignoring margins, you and bambam have pretty equal offenses (not the same as saying you have pretty equal offenses overall)

I still would take Bryant over Moose though, FWIW, and I would think most people would too

Originally Posted by Highroller

Then you don't understand fantasy scoring I guess. I'll take the guy who scores more fantasy points. You have our offenses tied just going by position to position. Here's our top scorers from last year.

Josh Donaldson- 665.5
Prince Fielder- 524

Anthony Rizzo- 576.5
Adrian Gonzalez- 477

Jose Abreu- 490.5
Ryan Braun- 467.5

From our top 3 guys last year mine outscored his by 264 points alone.

[Highroller]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Where did I ever say that my comparisons determined who was the better team? Of course a team could be better position by position than another team and still be a worse team overall. These comparisons don't take into consideration the margin by which one position is better, that is something entirely different. I still think your team's offense is much better than anybody else's. But position by position, ignoring margins, you and bambam have pretty equal offenses (not the same as saying you have pretty equal offenses overall)

I still would take Bryant over Moose though, FWIW, and I would think most people would too

And a lot of people would take Trout but he still isn't a top 10 fantasy player. This is fantasy and I'll take the best fantasy guys over the better name every time.

[Homerun]

Originally Posted by Highroller

Then you don't understand fantasy scoring I guess.

He obviously doesn't if he'd take Alcides Escobar over Addison Russell.

[Hollywood42]

I think it's a lot closer than you're making it out to be. Bryant is 4 years younger, has better power, a more dangerous lineup, and only had 16 less points scored last year than Moose, and that was in his first year in the league! It's not like Moose easily scored way more points than him. The factors I listed off above are why I would take Bryant 10/10 times over Moustakas, especially in a dynasty league

Originally Posted by Highroller

And a lot of people would take Trout but he still isn't a top 10 fantasy player. This is fantasy and I'll take the best fantasy guys over the better name every time.

Except Alcides scored way more points than Russell last year, and I would think based on our previous few responses that Highroller would agree that would make him superior to Addison

Originally Posted by Homerun

He obviously doesn't if he'd take Alcides Escobar over Addison Russell.

[exitmusicblue]

This is fun stuff, I swear Hollywood is the best commish I've ever had. Stays on top of things, is very active, and doesn't shy from getting down in the dirt with us.

Berrios over doesn't-have-it-no-more Richards, Odorizzi over Carrasco for me (by a hair). Holland and Tropeano are whatevas, esp. if I hadn't dropped Henderson Alvarez to go along with B Johnson.

Verdict... it's very close.

That said, everyone -- just get it over with and bow down before me.

Edit: And oh, of course it's the Age of Sonny... Felix is super but too much mileage already, as we saw last season. Much respect to Gum's pitching regardless, gonna be a shootout.

[Highroller]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

I think it's a lot closer than you're making it out to be. Bryant is 4 years younger, has better power, a more dangerous lineup, and only had 16 less points scored last year than Moose, and that was in his first year in the league! It's not like Moose easily scored way more points than him. The factors I listed off above are why I would take Bryant 10/10 times over Moustakas, especially in a dynasty league



Except Alcides scored way more points than Russell last year, and I would think based on our previous few responses that Highroller would agree that would make him superior to Addison

And I traded AJ Ramos who I picked up off waivers for Moustakas while Bryant was drafted in the 1st round. Moustakas still had more points last year. If Bryant continues to strike out around 200 times a year and Moustakas in the 75 range they will be around even at the end of the year in fantasy stats even with Bryants power.

[Homerun]

Highroller, would you rather have Russell or Escobar in this league?

Everyone else can feel free to chime in too...

[SportsAutoFreak]

If this league counted defense, no doubt Russell. Since Lindor and Iglesias are more advanced offensively, that's why I dealt Russell for Walker.