eBay user VOLIMUS -- you be the judge

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by kevinh1919

69 total posts in this thread and 24 of them belong to JMPKCP.

You've "chewed up" wheeler and GA and yet still respect the privacy of the guy who was trying to get one over on you?

Yes, I make up 24 of the 69 posts in this thread because it's my thread and I'm responding to questions and providing pictures and explanations, etc. Surprised I don't make up more than half of the posts.

I didn't chew them up...wheeler is one of the ones I referred to in the OP about people who follow me just to bash me. He's not actually saying anything constructive, he's questioning things that have already been addressed, etc. In other words just stirring up $&@#.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by jbrandonw

This message right here makes you look pretty bad.

Dear volimus,
I don't plan to pay.
Sorry, I didn't get back to you sooner, but I just saw yesterday's message just now. You've suffered enough and I have zero emotion about losing out on getting this card. As I said, you should cancel the transaction and I'll immediately approve it.
I also would like to help you in your quest since I've been burnt by this several times. I, too, will be drafting a letter to the BBB. I figure what you lost in sales, and what I have lost in sales, is grand larceny by eBay. ZERO seller protection!!!

Yes, it looks bad because you're taking it out of context. Read the post before that and then my response and it makes sense. The honest answer was that I wasn't planning on paying. I never expected I'd be paying. Little did I know that the seller was doing everything to make sure I paid since he was hiding damage and needed it gone.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by AK1982

I don't always agree with the OP but I do in this case. From the beginning, it seemed a little off that the seller didn't want to cancel the transaction and continually talked up the card and its value. To me, it just looks like he was hoping the OP would just dismiss the damage and hope to make a profit later. It's very clear he tried to hide the damage in the picture by the way he cropped it. Then not saying anything in the description really makes the seller look like the bad guy here.

And yes, it looks like JMPKCP was trying to get out of the purchase in his emails. But he addressed that already.

Thank you. I appreciate your common sense. It's just not statistically possible for every other picture to be normal and for mine to be cropped right over the damage.

Maybe I'm more blind than most but to my naked eye it has always looked like just bright light reflecting through that top left corner. Never looked cracked until zoomed in and knowing where to look.

[bosoxgeneral]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Yes, it looks bad because you're taking it out of context. Read the post before that and then my response and it makes sense. The honest answer was that I wasn't planning on paying. I never expected I'd be paying. Little did I know that the seller was doing everything to make sure I paid since he was hiding damage and needed it gone.

The thing about you saying he was trying to make sure YOU paid for it isn't necessarily true. He could have given a second chance offer to the person under you and only lost a dollar

[JMPKCP]

To answer a question that has been asked several times and not yet answered.

"Why did I start this thread?"

I started this thread to get outside input as to whether I was missing something. In the end, I discovered myself that I was missing clear steps taken by the seller to hide the damage. Only cropped photo. No mention of damage in the description. And odd insistence by the seller to complete the deal despite him openly admitting that he was losing money AND talking up the card in every reply...as though he was giving me a gift.

[Mikegioseffi]

Not sure how the message above makes him look bad
He was saying he was not planning to pay because as his earlier messages stated , he knew the seller got screwed by the glitch and didn't want to take advantage.

I'd be pissed if I got a card in a cracked case. It does affect the resale value. Plain and simple. And honestly if this was almost any other Op on here then many would be singing a different tune in this thread. However since JMP has managed to piss so many of you guys off , most of these posts are just useless words trying to make him look like a bad guy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't always agree with JMP or many of his posts but at some point can we just look past him and actually comment about what happened.

There is no way any of you guys would get a card with clear damage to the bgs holder, and that has been cropped unlike every pother photo from the same seller and not be pissed about it.
This is a joke

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by bosoxgeneral

The thing about you saying he was trying to make sure YOU paid for it isn't necessarily true. He could have given a second chance offer to the person under you and only lost a dollar

Lol, I've been an eBay powerseller for a decade. I've probably had 500 non-paying bidders. I've sent maybe 100-200 second chance offers. I think one, MAYBE two people total have taken it. It just doesn't happen very often. And he then has to hope the second bidder didn't notice the damage either...which is a risk for him.

[bosoxgeneral]

I don't know you so I have no beef with you to start an argument. Just throwing my hick logic into the thread. I feel like this.

Damage was visible in the picture and you should have made a slightly better attempt to check out the condition of the card when spending that much money on it. If i spend above 100 on a card I either zoom in as much as possible on my phone or get on a desktop.

That being said the seller should have had it listed in the auction. I do not think he was pushing you to complete the deal because he had you locked into it and had sold a damaged card. I have more faith in humanity than most people though.

I feel like all of this could have been handled between you and the seller without ever being brought to light on these boards for no one here can do anything for either of you in the situation.

Good Day

[GreatAlbert]

Originally Posted by Mikegioseffi

Not sure how the message above makes him look bad
He was saying he was not planning to pay because as his earlier messages stated , he knew the seller got screwed by the glitch and didn't want to take advantage.

I'd be pissed if I got a card in a cracked case. It does affect the resale value. Plain and simple. And honestly if this was almost any other Op on here then many would be singing a different tune in this thread. However since JMP has managed to piss so many of you guys off , most of these posts are just useless words trying to make him look like a bad guy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't always agree with JMP or many of his posts but at some point can we just look past him and actually comment about what happened.

There is no way any of you guys would get a card with clear damage to the bgs holder, and that has been cropped unlike every pother photo from the same seller and not be pissed about it.
This is a joke

If I was buying a card, in which I clearly see the damage, I would ask questions and do my due diligence as to what the card was. These questions are being brought up after the fact.

Three things:
1. I don't understand how folks can still not see the damage. Need to get over the cropping. If he was trying to hide something why not just crop the entire thing?

2. I do agree that this chip wasn't put in the description and thus does warrant a refund. Just don't understand the need for a callout thread for the seller.

3. I have nothing against the OP. My comments on this thread wouldn't change if the OP was someone else. Have had pleasant transactions with the user, regardless of what he posts on other threads.

[Mikegioseffi]

I do agree with some of that great Albert. Call out thread maybe a little overboard.
But seems like he mentioned he did not see the damage in the pic. And it should have been in description.

I guess my only issue is the way some on here, not all, but some refuse to use reason and simply disagree with people just because they don't like them.
I'm done here and I think most on here should be done also.

[GreatAlbert]

Originally Posted by Mikegioseffi

I do agree with some of that great Albert. Call out thread maybe a little overboard.
But seems like he mentioned he did not see the damage in the pic. And it should have been in description.

I guess my only issue is the way some on here, not all, but some refuse to use reason and simply disagree with people just because they don't like them.
I'm done here and I think most on here should be done also.

Isnt this the main responsibility of a buyer is to know what they are buying?

I realize he didn't see it, but I'd think we all know by now to check everything out before buying something online. The seller agreed to the return and refund, so should be case closed

I'd hope you weren't referring to me at all in that last paragraph. Seems like you came in on a high horse after that comment.

[Mikegioseffi]

Yup high horse with the a bullcrap opinion like everyone else.

But no was not referring to you in that post.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by GreatAlbert

Isnt this the main responsibility of a buyer is to know what they are buying?

Primarily it is the responsibility of the SELLER to be thorough and honest in his description and presentation of what he is selling. The onus is not on the buyer to look for defects that aren't mentioned in descriptions, especially on graded cards.

Originally Posted by GreatAlbert

I realize he didn't see it, but I'd think we all know by now to check everything out before buying something online. The seller agreed to the return and refund, so should be case closed

I buy a lot. I honestly don't have the time to inspect every listing I place a bid on...at least when it comes to graded cards. Obviously with raw cards I examine all pics closely and often ask for more.

[GreatAlbert]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Primarily it is the responsibility of the SELLER to be thorough and honest in his description and presentation of what he is selling. The onus is not on the buyer to look for defects that aren't mentioned in descriptions, especially on graded cards.



I buy a lot. I honestly don't have the time to inspect every listing I place a bid on...at least when it comes to graded cards. Obviously with raw cards I examine all pics closely and often ask for more.

I get that the seller didn't list it. But if I am spending money on something, I guess I just take much more responsibility than you on checking the whole situation out. While I don't think the dollar figure matters a whole lot, I'd be more responsible dropping down $300 on a single card.

As for you buying a lot, that's great! Gold medal for you. So do I, and most on the site I'd assume.

Just the way society is now, let responsibility lie elsewhere and then when something happens we can be blindsided.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by GreatAlbert

I get that the seller didn't list it. But if I am spending money on something, I guess I just take much more responsibility than you on checking the whole situation out. While I don't think the dollar figure matters a whole lot, I'd be more responsible dropping down $300 on a single card.

As for you buying a lot, that's great! Gold medal for you. So do I, and most on the site I'd assume.

Just the way society is now, let responsibility lie elsewhere and then when something happens we can be blindsided.

In every facet of the buying/selling world, it is the responsibility of the seller to give all of the necessary information to make an honest sale. You can put the burden on the buyer only so much...buyers shouldn't have to be looking out for being scammed all the time. Sellers need to be held accountable for not disclosing relevant/pertinent information. A buyer can be completely careless and the fault STILL lies with the seller if the seller omits important information. That's not an opinion. It's a fact, which is why every seller platform holds their sellers to those standards, whether it be eBay or etsy or Amazon or whatever.

Also would like to point out this was never intended as a callout thread...but after I discovered the cropping situation since I started this thread, I now see that it somewhat has become one.

[no10pin]

This is such a weird thread. The damage definitely needs to be disclosed in the description whether it's visible in the picture or not.

That aside, the string of messages before that issue was extremely odd. If even half the things you said were true, why on earth did you bid to begin with? You posted a thread about how you stole the card, but by the end of the message string, it sounded like you were doing him a huge favor paying for the card that you bid on but didn't really want anyway.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by no10pin

This is such a weird thread. The damage definitely needs to be disclosed in the description whether it's visible in the picture or not.

That aside, the string of messages before that issue was extremely odd. If even half the things you said were true, why on earth did you bid to begin with? You posted a thread about how you stole the card, but by the end of the message string, it sounded like you were doing him a huge favor paying for the card that you bid on but didn't really want anyway.

Sorry, you must've misinterpreted something. I did want the card, as has been said many, many, many times. I just didn't want it at the expense of someone else getting screwed. Something seemed odd about his unwillingness to cancel while openly admitting to losing money because of the ebay outage which is why I started the thread in the first place. But now with a little detective work, it has been shown that the seller didn't want to cancel because he was trying to pull a fast one. He sold ten Jordans from this set that night, all ending within minutes, and all ten were clearly and completely shown in their BGS slabs in their pictures except for the one I bought, which was cropped to help hide the full damage. It's easy to do the math now...and obvious why the seller didn't want to cancel this transaction and was talking up the card the whole time while complaining about the financial hit he was taking.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by wheeler281

HA! Thats great and understandable. Your weird insistence to cancel the deal is more odd to me. This thread could have waited if a refund did not come through. What did you hope to accomplish?

To be fair, he certainly does have a history of wavering back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. This is nothing new.

[Davesportscards]

Originally Posted by GreatAlbert

Isnt this the main responsibility of a buyer is to know what they are buying?

I realize he didn't see it, but I'd think we all know by now to check everything out before buying something online. The seller agreed to the return and refund, so should be case closed

I'd hope you weren't referring to me at all in that last paragraph. Seems like you came in on a high horse after that comment.

It's just as much the responsibility of the seller to disclose any issues with the items he is selling.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Oh well....I'm sure I can name a few people who follow me around who will come in and bash, but I welcome honest reactions from respectable members.

And there ya go...

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

To be fair, he certainly does have a history of wavering back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. This is nothing new.

CD7, you're a known racist here on Blowout, so for you to constantly come into my threads and criticize me actually makes me feel like all is right with the world. Someone as horrible as you agreeing with me would make me sick.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

And there ya go...



CD7, you're a known racist here on Blowout, so for you to constantly come into my threads and criticize me actually makes me feel like all is right with the world. Someone as horrible as you agreeing with me would make me sick.

A known racist? In the eyes of a few out of this wonderful community of 20,000 strong. I create zero issues around here, while issues seem to find you quite often. Or, you find them is probably more accurate. You are known to back out on here. You clearly did your best to back out of this sale. Now you received what was picture, and you are backing out yet again. Its pretty sad, but at least you are consistent. Ill give you credit for that.

[deadwards24]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Primarily it is the responsibility of the SELLER to be thorough and honest in his description and presentation of what he is selling. The onus is not on the buyer to look for defects that aren't mentioned in descriptions, especially on graded cards.



I buy a lot. I honestly don't have the time to inspect every listing I place a bid on...at least when it comes to graded cards. Obviously with raw cards I examine all pics closely and often ask for more.

I began this thread (as I do with every other one) with the intent to be as objective as possible. Here is what I conclude.

I truly believe OP was trying to give the seller a way out. I can honestly say that if I had been the buyer in this situation I probly would not have seen the damage. The only reason I was able to see it was because it was pointed out. I know if I had received this card I would be asking questions also. This HAS to be disclosed in the description. The other ten pictures shows intent by the seller. They are all perfect with all of the card and case showing. The cropped picture is done in a way to take ur attention away from the left corner. If seller had completely taken the picture without left corner every buyer would instantly start asking questions. Can I get a full scan? Why is left corner out of pic? Therefore drawing more attention to something he is trying to hide. This is why I feel the seller had no issue losing 100 or so on a card he "predicts" will go up in value. There's just too many issues with this sale. The only thing I think OP could have done different was go ahead and pay after the seller declined his offer to cancel the first time. But again if I had been in the buyers position I may have acted the same. Good luck.

Originally Posted by JCC

Your messages make is seem like you were trying to get out of the deal rather than pay. May not have been your intent, but that is how it reads. That being said the seller very clearly was attempting to hide the damage with the position of the photo. The damage should have also been disclosed in the description. As a buyer, I feel like I should not have to play where's waldo, trying to find damage a seller is attempting to conceal. That overrides the no return policy in my mind, and you deserve to get your money back if that is what you want.

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

It's a thought...but if I put it up for sale here and no one buys it and THEN I try to return it, I end up looking like a jerk. If rather fix a problem at the source than trying to fix a problem by potentially creating another one.




Thank you, appreciate the common sense and support!

[wheeler281]

Oh JM do not flatter yourself. You post everywhere. If you think I follow you around you are insane. I commented in a thread last week about you giving the guy a hard time for putting it in the wrong section. Before that I can only remember the PR thread.

Quick question though in this thread.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...tion-live.html

[cking]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Agreed. It's a clear case of taking a picture at a certain angle and cropping on a certain line to hide damage.

Here are the other pics from his other jordans that night....notice how the left edge is visible in ALL of them???












Camera must've slipped on the one I bought...conveniently hiding the left edge.

I am going to quote this and hope that Dwade Collector wanders into this thread



God Bless

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by wheeler281

If you think I follow you around you are insane.

And yet here you are bumping a six-month old thread of mine that had nothing to do with you...just looking to make controversy where there isn't any. Consider yourself permanently on my ignore list.