2015 Topps Star Wars The Force Awakens Series 1

[Cujobyte]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Wow! I guess we knew last week that this was going to be a tiny print run, but it is INSANE that such a key release is so tiny.

Unopened cases and boxes are going to go for crazy prices!

+1. SOOOOO glad I didn't presell much at all! This is nutty.

[jdhaugh11]

Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

No way there will be 4 masters made per case. 2 and very slim chance at 3.

Well the lowest of the 8 insert sets shows that you should get 4.8 sets per case, so with decent collation you could make 4, at least with just missing a few.

[Carrbeaz]

Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

Well the lowest of the 8 insert sets shows that you should get 4.8 sets per case, so with decent collation you could make 4, at least with just missing a few.

I busted 6 boxes from a case so far and just barely made a master set. So I am hoping I can make two total

[Cujobyte]

Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

Well the lowest of the 8 insert sets shows that you should get 4.8 sets per case, so with decent collation you could make 4, at least with just missing a few.

Appreciate all your work/math you do, but are you taking into consideration duplicates etc if collation is off? Just curious.

637 cases.... that's the lowest case count of any Star wars product I've ever seen.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

Yeah I get 637 cases as well

What looks very interesting is that it looks like there are only 8 or 9 autos in the checklist based on the odds

If Duals are #/3 then there should be 3 in the set
If Triples are #/3 then there is only 1 in the set

first bad news i have seen regarding this release. only 8 or 9 autos is very bad news but i still think with so few cases it's going to be a big winner

[ddearing]

I ordered a bunch of retail of this. Both blasters and regular retail. Do you think I am better off selling that sealed at current retail prices or breaking it quickly for sets? As a collector I am just going to buy the autos that I want for my PC

[Darth Smittyous]

OK, it seems like just about everything I write is a conspiracy theory, but...

How long has Topps known about the issues for TFA Ser 1? It seems that the cases are breaking about how they should be with no extras of anything, specifically thinking of medallions. Please don't take that to mean that I wanted more medallions (far from it, as I would prefer no medallions), but if they were printed on the old information that was current up until a week or so ago, cases should be swimming in "extra" medallions. Instead, it seems like they were printed for exactly what they needed with the decrease in production. The same could be said for sketch cards as well.

Rather than the possibility of "loaded" cases, it sounds like any other Star Wars set.

Without commenting on specifics, could those who have already opened cases comment on the overall quality of the hits. Do they fall more into the pleasant surprise or same old same old category?

[Dewman]

Originally Posted by Tim

first bad news i have seen regarding this release. only 8 or 9 autos is very bad news but i still think with so few cases it's going to be a big winner

It depends who they are.

If it's:
Rey
Finn
Poe
Kylo Ren
Phasma
Maz
Han
Leia
Luke

then that's pretty good.

[sketchopolix]

DIng. Ding. Ding. What if Disney said No to sticking in 45 SW cast actors from 6 films and animation. Only the actors from this movie get in = huge cut in auto numbers = 75% reduction in run.

[daviswr7]

I agree that there should be "Extra" of something...75% less= more of something to go around..not sure if its medallions or better odds on the golds/platinums, ect but something should inserted at higher rates...

As far as Auto's go? Defiantly will depend on the Auto lineup for sure...Fisher and Finn are a great start!

[jdhaugh11]

If my calculations are right and there are only 8-9 autos in the set and we know that Leia and Finn are 2 of them, so that is very good.
There might be a few more in the set if some people don't have all the parallels.
With the production run so low and few autos in the case, I am really hoping that the few you do get are monsters!

[Darth Smittyous]

Didn't Topps already confirm Tim Rose for TFA Ser 1 as well?

[daviswr7]

I'm guessing everyone who ordered this product through BO got there tracking and all is well??

[Carrbeaz]

Two other autos pulled are Ackbar and Nein Nunb

[Sharard]

Could be ( guess we will see once case is broken ) maybe few odd and end autos thrown in to fill it out. So hoping there least a few big names still be found

[auctionjmm]

Just realized the "Hobby Exclusive" Blueprint inserts are not there. Wonder if the Walmart exclusives are also gone? Very weird how all of this just changed at the last minute in regards to the set structure and exclusives.

EDIT: No Aliens and Creatures set either. So will these be moved to another SKU or eliminated altogether? Interesting.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

Well the lowest of the 8 insert sets shows that you should get 4.8 sets per case, so with decent collation you could make 4, at least with just missing a few.

You are forgetting that Behind The Scenes is a 15 card set yet only 1:8 packs. That's the killer right there. Every insert set is plentiful except that one. Another moment where Topps just doesn't make sense. Take out exclusives and then make one insert set 3x harder than everything else.

[Carrbeaz]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

You are forgetting that Behind The Scenes is a 15 card set yet only 1:8 packs. That's the killer right there. Every insert set is plentiful except that one. Another moment where Topps just doesn't make sense. Take out exclusives and then make one insert set 3x harder than everything else.

Those aren't right either.

I have them all built and are as follows:

Movie Scenes 20 Cards
Concept Art 20 Cards
Locations 9 Cards
The First Order Rises 9 Cards
Behind the Scenes 7 Cards
Weapons 10 Cards
Montage 8 Cards
Stickers 18 Cards

[go_steelers07]

Originally Posted by Darth Smittyous

OK, it seems like just about everything I write is a conspiracy theory, but...

How long has Topps known about the issues for TFA Ser 1? It seems that the cases are breaking about how they should be with no extras of anything, specifically thinking of medallions. Please don't take that to mean that I wanted more medallions (far from it, as I would prefer no medallions), but if they were printed on the old information that was current up until a week or so ago, cases should be swimming in "extra" medallions. Instead, it seems like they were printed for exactly what they needed with the decrease in production. The same could be said for sketch cards as well.

Rather than the possibility of "loaded" cases, it sounds like any other Star Wars set.

Without commenting on specifics, could those who have already opened cases comment on the overall quality of the hits. Do they fall more into the pleasant surprise or same old same old category?

Originally Posted by daviswr7

I agree that there should be "Extra" of something...75% less= more of something to go around..not sure if its medallions or better odds on the golds/platinums, ect but something should inserted at higher rates...

As far as Auto's go? Defiantly will depend on the Auto lineup for sure...Fisher and Finn are a great start!

or it could be that Topps didn't insert all of the Parallels & Medallions.

or there could be 3/4 of the print run still sitting in a warehouse somewhere.

just because allocations were cut (did they actually say production was cut?) doesn't mean the full print run wasn't completed.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

Those aren't right either.

I have them all built and are as follows:

Movie Scenes 20 Cards
Concept Art 20 Cards
Locations 9 Cards
The First Order Rises 9 Cards
Behind the Scenes 7 Cards
Weapons 10 Cards
Montage 8 Cards
Stickers 18 Cards

LOL. Topps should just stop soliciting product altogether. Maybe I am making too big a deal of this, but when 4 SKU's are offered 6 months in advance with supposed exclusives, people have to make informed decisions about which to order. A set guy might love Special Edition, whereas a hit guy might want Hobby or Blasters. I can't be the only person out here who actually read the sell sheets and ordered my cases based on what I thought I was going to get in them. And now none of it matters.

[jdhaugh11]

They should have made hobby light with foil stamps on the base and called in First Edition. That might have added some value to those boxes.

[Carrbeaz]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

LOL. Topps should just stop soliciting product altogether. Maybe I am making too big a deal of this, but when 4 SKU's are offered 6 months in advance with supposed exclusives, people have to make informed decisions about which to order. A set guy might love Special Edition, whereas a hit guy might want Hobby or Blasters. I can't be the only person out here who actually read the sell sheets and ordered my cases based on what I thought I was going to get in them. And now none of it matters.

Conversely maybe people should stop preselling. All I have seen preselling do over the past year or so is cause presellers to begin racing to the bottom before the product have even been released.

[Sharard]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

LOL. Topps should just stop soliciting product altogether. Maybe I am making too big a deal of this, but when 4 SKU's are offered 6 months in advance with supposed exclusives, people have to make informed decisions about which to order. A set guy might love Special Edition, whereas a hit guy might want Hobby or Blasters. I can't be the only person out here who actually read the sell sheets and ordered my cases based on what I thought I was going to get in them. And now none of it matters.

Wel, im not a supporter of topps by any means, but i do believe this was a special circumstance . I can't recall any other topps release that went like this.

Again, i stand by my that topps was use to calling the shots till they ran into a tough mouse You know topps would have put out as much as they can. They are leaving a lot of money on the table with this small release and I'm sure its killing topps to do this. This is the last thing they wanted.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

Conversely maybe people should stop preselling. All I have seen preselling do over the past year or so is cause presellers to begin racing to the bottom before the product have even been released.

Pre-selling starts at the top down. Product is offered 6 months in advance and touches 4-5 hands before it reaches the end customer. So ALL outfits are pre-selling to secure orders, including BO who has pre-sells out through June 2016 right now! If BO has a right to collect orders on 2016 Stadium Club then a person who sells TSC sets should have a right to collect orders from set collectors. It helps with case orders too (knowing what quantity to order based on demand).

The problem is when you have a few undisciplined end customers who think they can be BO and just start a new business and pre-sell whatever they want and not pay attention to detail. And then a new thread gets started here that goes something like "Oh my God, I just got a 1099 from Paypal and I don't have any receipts. What should I do??". Those are the guys we need to worry about.

I do pre-sell a lot, but I know what I need to get to make certain margins and I never drop down to match someone who doesn't know what they are doing. I am still the only seller to have even offered Star Wars master sets, so I pretty much had a monopoly on the orders and was priced very high. I will still deliver some version of a master set to my customers, but it's not an e-mail I like to send that Topps eliminated or changed elements of a set that were advertised.

I don't think that's asking for much. I understand that there may be issues with autograph signers or sketch artists, etc. so some stuff needs to be hidden until release, but a basic insert set shouldn't need to be changed or renamed after solicitation IMO.

[peterose4hof]

Hey guys, this probably goes without saying, but since we will all be seeing the movie on different days at different times can we please not have anyone posting spoilers in this thread.