Jalen Hurts - Why no love on Blowout?

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Who are you?

The Runner-up. After this seasons draft, Jalen may reach the top.

[PokeyAndG]

why no love? this mold of quarterback don't seem to have long stay at top, cam newton, kylar murray, lamar jackson and etc. You need a qb who's main weapon isn't his legs.

[TheFrenzy]

Hurts oopsie.

[kyle1707]

I have always felt he needs to be surrounded by the best talent to be great.

Like many qbs. I just think they paid him to much to soon.

I know it’s a hot take right now. But what a collapse and he did not play well at all last half of season

Purdy gets a lot of crap. But Tua and hurts are same thing

[ninjacookies]

Every year, there are standouts. Then the hobby becomes convinced every single draft is designated at minimum 3-5 HOF quarterbacks.

Inevitably one or more of Stroud/Brock/Love will befall the same fate as the 97% that came before them. And we'll all act surprised when they do, like we've never seen it before.

[PokeyAndG]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

I have always felt he needs to be surrounded by the best talent to be great.

Like many qbs. I just think they paid him to much to soon.

I know it’s a hot take right now. But what a collapse and he did not play well at all last half of season

Purdy gets a lot of crap. But Tua and hurts are same thing

Yup another reason not to overpay the qb position. Even a decent qb like Jared Goff can look elite behind a great o-line. O-line! O-line! O-line is everything.

[sethc1020]

Im sure there is a lot more going on heath wise than they have let on. That knee hasn't been right all year and you can see it in his mobility. You can also tell that when he does run now, especially last night, he was trying to avoid contact like the plague. At the end of the day his #s weren't bad last night, more than anything the Defense was straight trash and has been most of the year. They couldn't tackle a 5yr old last night. Almost every throw Baker made was wide open and there just was no energy from anyone on the field for the Eagles. Not sure whats going on behind closed doors but their collapse has A Lot more to it than just Hurts.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by sethc1020

Im sure there is a lot more going on heath wise than they have let on. That knee hasn't been right all year and you can see it in his mobility. You can also tell that when he does run now, especially last night, he was trying to avoid contact like the plague. At the end of the day his #s weren't bad last night, more than anything the Defense was straight trash and has been most of the year. They couldn't tackle a 5yr old last night. Almost every throw Baker made was wide open and there just was no energy from anyone on the field for the Eagles. Not sure whats going on behind closed doors but their collapse has A Lot more to it than just Hurts.

It was a team loss but the coach and QB deserve the bulk of criticism. Play calling and team energy awful and Hurts was pathetic and didn’t have a pulse. No heart, his 100% lack of effort blocking for his teammate on that run was eye opening. No way this guy should have ever been in MVP contention

[sethc1020]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

It was a team loss but the coach and QB deserve the bulk of criticism. Play calling and team energy awful and Hurts was pathetic and didn’t have a pulse. No heart, his 100% lack of effort blocking for his teammate on that run was eye opening. No way this guy should have ever been in MVP contention

Disagree, if you watched that game, the defense and HC deserves all the criticism. I guarantee that Hurts is a lot more hurt than anyone knows which lead to the lack of effort on that block and totally avoiding contact when he tried to run. There were also a lot of dropped balls by Goedert, no AJ Brown and Julio got knocked out early on. Still Hurts was 25/35, 250 and a TD. I think Hurts did all he could. I do agree that there was a total lack of energy by the entire team and that falls on the HC and leaders in the locker room (Hurts)

[Archangel1775]

The problem was a lot more than the QB. You dont play this bad the last month without having team chemistry problems.

[dantheman514]

Originally Posted by sethc1020

Disagree, if you watched that game, the defense and HC deserves all the criticism. I guarantee that Hurts is a lot more hurt than anyone knows which lead to the lack of effort on that block and totally avoiding contact when he tried to run. There were also a lot of dropped balls by Goedert, no AJ Brown and Julio got knocked out early on. Still Hurts was 25/35, 250 and a TD. I think Hurts did all he could. I do agree that there was a total lack of energy by the entire team and that falls on the HC and leaders in the locker room (Hurts)

I will tell you one thing that should never happen in an NFL football game, and that is a QB taking a safety when the line of scrimmage is the 14 yard line. You can't say Hurts did all he could in the game when he made a blunder this big. That was the play where the wheels fell off last night. Obviously the defense was terrible and couldn't make any tackles, but Hurts needs some scrutiny himself.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by sethc1020

Disagree, if you watched that game, the defense and HC deserves all the criticism. I guarantee that Hurts is a lot more hurt than anyone knows which lead to the lack of effort on that block and totally avoiding contact when he tried to run. There were also a lot of dropped balls by Goedert, no AJ Brown and Julio got knocked out early on. Still Hurts was 25/35, 250 and a TD. I think Hurts did all he could. I do agree that there was a total lack of energy by the entire team and that falls on the HC and leaders in the locker room (Hurts)

I said it was a team loss, but if you watched the same Hurts I watched, he did nothing to lift his team, and go back and watch the play I am talking about where he didn't even attempt a block in the slightest, his teammate and the defender ran by him like he was a backjudge and wasn't there. Pathetic all around, but Hurts is to blame too. And if Hurts was too hurt to throw a block, then maybe he hurt his team being out there and he didn't belong there and that's on him and the coach

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by dantheman514

I will tell you one thing that should never happen in an NFL football game, and that is a QB taking a safety when the line of scrimmage is the 14 yard line. You can't say Hurts did all he could in the game when he made a blunder this big. That was the play where the wheels fell off last night. Obviously the defense was terrible and couldn't make any tackles, but Hurts needs some scrutiny himself.

Yeah this was a team loss. I think you could say, Devonta Smith was the only person who wanted to play

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Here's my hot take OP. Jalen was not 100% for the Super Bowl. Biggest stage, he couldn't show off the monster he became and was in the beginning half of the season. He was efficient and a great leader, but he does not have the "It" factor. The Eagles were played up as the "bad guys" of the Super Bowl, and the Eagles offensive scores felt more like the "beating up on the good guy" machines that have been villainized by Hollywood. The Eagles are a forced to be reckoned with, and will be for a long time IMO. That is squarely on the shoulder of Hurts, who definitely is a strong leader and had a HUGE leap this off season thanks to coaches and getting rid of the WR who dropped everything and replacing him with AJ frickin Brown.

If you're an Eagles fan and like Hurts? I would STFU and buy everything I could afford ASAP because after 2-3 more winning seasons, I don't think you be able to anymore.

I'd also mention other things about Philly and that fan base, but I'll let others point that out.

I think it must be said, Jalen has lost AJ Brown's respect. He seems to keep regressing and that calm cool head, is coming across and emotionless and not inspiring to his teammates.
The locker room may be gone and if that's the case, Hurts won't be there for long.
Last year they looked like a machine. This season they look like something is just missing. I think IF Hurts was injured badly and it was effecting his game, AJ Brown does not publicly rail him.
Honestly, as much Purdy gets called a system QB, Hurts has shown he is one. I felt with his emergence as well as adding Brown, Smith and Swift, Hurts would be a cog that the hobby would give the credit to. As it stands, Hurts has the most weapons in the NFL and cannot get it done. Even with AJ Brown out, he still had tons of ammo and just could not lead his team when down 16-9.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by dantheman514

I will tell you one thing that should never happen in an NFL football game, and that is a QB taking a safety when the line of scrimmage is the 14 yard line. You can't say Hurts did all he could in the game when he made a blunder this big. That was the play where the wheels fell off last night. Obviously the defense was terrible and couldn't make any tackles, but Hurts needs some scrutiny himself.

When all the support beams are collapsing, does it really matter which beam fell first ? The Eagles collapse was top to bottom. No one individual is more to blame in having a entire franchise look out of sync, unmotivated, unprepared, non leadership on Offense, Defense, Special teams and Coaching. It wasn’t a playoff collapse because there wasn’t anything supporting the ground floor on up for roughly 2 months.

Is the collapse the cause of Hurts not being more of a leader or is it the case of those commanding the franchise creating bad decisions that divided the team?

Hurts can play and I believe collectors/flippers are waiting for a SB win or more before letting his cards go. Optimum return for a risk of dwindling results?

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Stifle

When all the support beams are collapsing, does it really matter which beam fell first ? The Eagles collapse was top to bottom. No one individual is more to blame in having a entire franchise look out of sync, unmotivated, unprepared, non leadership on Offense, Defense, Special teams and Coaching. It wasn’t a playoff collapse because there wasn’t anything supporting the ground floor on up for roughly 2 months.

Is the collapse the cause of Hurts not being more of a leader or is it the case of those commanding the franchise creating bad decisions that divided the team?

Hurts can play and I believe collectors/flippers are waiting for a SB win or more before letting his cards go. Optimum return for a risk of dwindling results?

Its pretty clear there are no leaders on that team including guys like Kelce and Cox. Maybe all the old guys just had enough and didn't want to deal with the drama anymore.

[clsports]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Yeah this was a team loss. I think you could say, Devonta Smith was the only person who wanted to play

Amen to that. I noticed how dirty his jersey had become later in the game. He was a workhorse in the WR crew last night for sure.

[marinocollector]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I said it was a team loss, but if you watched the same Hurts I watched, he did nothing to lift his team, and go back and watch the play I am talking about where he didn't even attempt a block in the slightest, his teammate and the defender ran by him like he was a backjudge and wasn't there. Pathetic all around, but Hurts is to blame too. And if Hurts was too hurt to throw a block, then maybe he hurt his team being out there and he didn't belong there and that's on him and the coach

He tried to get away with a chip block and a forearm to help. Didnt' work.

[kaisersoze]

hurts and lamar have terrible body language when things are going bad. they are not rallying the team like mahomes. they sit and sulk. neither will win a chip imo.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Every year, there are standouts. Then the hobby becomes convinced every single draft is designated at minimum 3-5 HOF quarterbacks.

Inevitably one or more of Stroud/Brock/Love will befall the same fate as the 97% that came before them. And we'll all act surprised when they do, like we've never seen it before.

Most will. Not everyone.

This is why people need to actually watch football, actual film, before spending 10's of thousands of dollars on a guy with the expectation of making money off of it long term. It's like investing in the stock of a company without examining their financial reports. Maybe some people do it, but the good ones don't.

I'll admit, I initially thought Jalen looked great following the my first watch of the Super Bowl. Not enough to go spend money on him, but enough for an initial hot take that he was a top class QB. And while he did have a good game, I had to go back and watch the film to see that part of the reason he did so well is because the Chiefs sold out that game to stop the run, and dared Hurts to beat them (he almost did). I put a few more pieces together and concluded that while he's looked very good so early in his career, it wasn't enough for him to really stand out above the rest of the crowd..... which isn't a bad thing... but it's also not shocking that something like this could happen. Which again, doesn't mean he sucks, just that it might not be a 10 year run of being an elite player like people always seem to think about the newest guy.

[mjekase]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Even with AJ Brown out, he still had tons of ammo and just could not lead his team when down 16-9.

Hurts should share some of the blame, but the analysis from Aikman last night - on more than one occasion - spoke volumes about where the main issues have been with this offense. Just comically bad playcalling. If it's true that Hurts wanted more short-to-intermediate stuff, crossing routes, etc. in the playbook, it's obvious that he's right when you see what you saw over the past few weeks.

[Jbead61]

I am not a Hurts fan at all and think his odd ghetto persona with all the jewelry and earrings being worn even in last nights game is just stupid. He reminds me of the role Jamie Fox played in any given Sunday which speaks volumes of who he thinks he is compared to who he really is… But regardless of my personal opinion, last nights loss was for sure not him. I don’t think I have seen a defense blow a game with some of the worst tackling misses and blown coverages like last nights game in years. Dallas had a similar problem as well.

[kyle1707]

Seems like some of his team mates don’t like him

Not as bad as Russell Wilson but something is up last few weeks

Also this is meaningless .. but he always looks like a pirate to me

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Most will. Not everyone.

This is why people need to actually watch football, actual film, before spending 10's of thousands of dollars on a guy with the expectation of making money off of it long term. It's like investing in the stock of a company without examining their financial reports. Maybe some people do it, but the good ones don't.

I'll admit, I initially thought Jalen looked great following the my first watch of the Super Bowl. Not enough to go spend money on him, but enough for an initial hot take that he was a top class QB. And while he did have a good game, I had to go back and watch the film to see that part of the reason he did so well is because the Chiefs sold out that game to stop the run, and dared Hurts to beat them (he almost did). I put a few more pieces together and concluded that while he's looked very good so early in his career, it wasn't enough for him to really stand out above the rest of the crowd..... which isn't a bad thing... but it's also not shocking that something like this could happen. Which again, doesn't mean he sucks, just that it might not be a 10 year run of being an elite player like people always seem to think about the newest guy.

Of course there will always be the top 2-3% that pan out and end up being generational. But for the rest, you're looking at the Rivers/Staffords/Ryans of the world. Whom are all borderline HOF talents with stupidly impressive cumulative stats. But in the hobby world, that isn't enough.


The QB position is so cutthroat. Because oftentimes it's predicated on more than just the QB's raw talent itself. You're talking so many other peripheral components including coaching/playcalling/o-line/run game/receiver health/schedule/defensive performance. That's not even factoring in general health...which has not been kind to most QB's in the modern era.


For every QB mentioned above, there was at one time the same exuberance displayed on BO regarding their indestructibility/future outlook.

Same standard template every time.

[MNWild1883]

What are the thoughts around here in terms of his market value for cards right now? Pulled a tainted glass yesterday and wondering if I should keep until preseason or sell now. Thanks.