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Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC
  Names: Evan Mathis, Adam Mathis (brother) Associates: Chad Thyzel (ebay ID: legendsandlegacies, formerly superiorsports), Jason Koonce, Rick Mcgehee (fictitious alias?), Rick Probstein (Probstein123), Brent Huigens (PWCC), COMC, Sean Bassik (investinbaseball) Known eBay Accounts: cardology (o***o on all platforms) cardquest12 (u***r on eBay old, t***a on eBay new) acme.cards (s***s on eBay old, a***m on eBay new and VCP) quest4cards12 (c***q on eBay old, 2***a on eBay new) Unknown ID Coded as t***q (purple star) no.bids.all.bins Known COMC accounts: StorageUnitFinds DiamondGems Sells via PWCC, Probstein, COMC, and eBay account cardology. Has formerly sold cards via investinbaseball, eBay account acme.cards, and likely eBay account otiasports previously known as worldwideinvestments (Jason Koonce). At the very least, he currently has BIN listings for sale with Probstein and he has been consigning cards to PWCC though at least August, months after Brent outed him as a card trimmer to other(s). Past shipping information: 2018 sale to acme.cards (this is Mathis's home address per Williamson County property records): acmeamericana@gmail.com Buyer: Rick Mcgehee Address: Windy Wood XXXX Manley Ln Brentwood, TN 37027-5532 2016 sale to acme.cards: acmeamericana@gmail.com Chad Thyzel Address: PO Box XXXXXX Temecula, CA 92589-1780 Email addresses: ergoism@gmail.com evan@cardology.com acmeamericana@gmail.com In addition to trimming a wide array of vintage cards, he also trims a ton of 90's Michael Jordan inserts (as confirmed independently and by an friend/associate of Brent Huigens), Ken Griffey Jr. rookies and inserts (a tip about a tiny PSA 10 UD Griffey Rookie was what spurred this investigation), Trout Update rookies by the dozen, Brady rookies (primarily Bowman, Press Pass, and Skybox), Bonds rookies (especially Traded and Traded Tiffany), Jeter rookies, and a slew of lower end inserts. It appears that he began his new job as a card trimmer immediately upon retiring from the NFL in late January of 2017. Here's the feedback he (or his brother) left from the quest4cards12 around this same time for an 18" paper trimmer:  https://web.archive.org/web/20191220...rchInterval=30 He also has a website where he spams eBay listings from PWCC, Greg Morris, Probstein, and 4SC: https://www.cardbuff.com/ (evanmathis.com redirects there as well) Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20191219....cardbuff.com/ Additional reading: Evan Mathis playing poker with "good friend" Jason Koonce: https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...-pca-33100.htm "Sell your collection to Super Bowl 50 Champion Evan Mathis at the 2018 NSCC" from Sean Bassik of investinbaseball: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=257961 His site, cardbuff.com, sending unsolicited spam email to members of Net54 and CU forums: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=251048 https://forums.collectors.com/discus...8/cardbuff-com PSA Collector Profile of Evan Mathis: https://web.archive.org/web/20191219...niature-museum Now, on to the cards.... All of the following were purchased untrimmed by cardology and later sold by PWCC. Other cards in the PSA subs were sold by Probstein and/or acme.cards: https://web.archive.org/web/20191219...mPg=52&page=23 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...tar-1866624382 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1559111  https://web.archive.org/web/20191219...rchInterval=30 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...psa-1860113305 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1485889  This is a fun one because Mathis (cardology) purchased it as a PSA 8, trimmed the top edge, and sold it as a PSA 9. Gary Moser than purchased it as a PSA 9, trimmed/shaved the bottom edge, and then sold it as a PSA 10. Corndog already called out the 9 to 10 (Link: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=3080), so I'll just focus on the 8 to 9 trimming below. https://web.archive.org/web/20191219...&mPg=14&page=5 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...tle-1866961344 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1574718  https://web.archive.org/web/20191219...rchInterval=30 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-nm-1866964378 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1603450  https://web.archive.org/web/20191220...0&mPg=6&page=3 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...psa-1860113345 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1503241  This was purchased raw by cardquest12, trimmed, and sold by Probstein for a whole $26: https://web.archive.org/web/20191219...0&mPg=3&page=1 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...art-1956082715 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...int-2017915683  I cant tell if this was was altered more to go from a PSA Auth Altered to a PSA 4, but I'm posting it anyway since Mathis purchased it as altered, submitted it to PSA, and sold it as a PSA 4. https://web.archive.org/web/20191219...rchInterval=30 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...psa-1961341277  However, this Authentic Altered card has been trimmed by Mathis to get it into a PSA 6 slab. https://web.archive.org/web/20191219...rchInterval=30 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ard-1960353910 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1959852  The following card was purchased raw by acme.cards, trimmed, and sold by PWCC as a PSA 10: https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ral-1956200276 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1931065  The following card was purchased by unknown ID coded as t***q (purple star) before it was trimmed. This ID appears frequently in Mathis subs. https://web.archive.org/web/20191219...&mPg=15&page=3 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...per-1957032048 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1967458  The rest of these cards are attributed to Evan Mathis via the PSA submission they're in: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...tts-1960595825 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1961863  He is also responsible for this trimmed card that has already been called out: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1312334  In addition to this previously called out card and the majority of the other high-grade PSA Jordan inserts sold by Probstein and PWCC since 2017: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...5&postcount=55  As usual, this is nothing. Untraceable cards outnumber traceable cards probably by about 50:1 and it looks like he was breaking vintage sets to trim as well. Edit 1: Here's an AI Platinum that was first sold twice by PWCC as a BGS 8, bumped to a BGS 9 without alteration and sold by PWCC again, purchased by Mathis, trimmed, graded a PSA 10, and sold by PWCC for a fourth time. Go grading! https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1491181 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1519051 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1695326 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1963272  Edit 2: This PSA 10 Carlton Fisk is really the definition a franken-card. If you really study the photos, you can see that the card was pressed to increase stock area and then haphazardly trimmed back to create lots of partial edge and corner shaves to sharpen the corners. As a result the card doesn't really have any straight edges left, yet still receives a PSA 10. The last two photos are the best as they show the cards overlaid with a red outline that has a constant position. This outline shows how the left and top edges have been trimmed while the bottom right corner area has been pressed out to sharpen the corner. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...kie-1821037162 https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail...entoryid=34312  Edit 3: Trimmed card with no grade increase and a $42.51 value gain. Note the "Before" photos below are from an earlier PWCC sale. acme.cards purchased the untrimmed card from warrent1954 as shown. https://web.archive.org/web/20191223...0&mPg=8&page=3 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1587475 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-76-1919626230 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1957973  Edit 4: A very small Bench. One trimmed edge noted. Can't tell if the other edges have been cleaned up as well due to the photos. https://web.archive.org/web/20191223...&mPg=10&page=4 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-mt-1900530213 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1959831  Edit 5: Only at PSA can you remove a card's corner to increase a its grade. And only at PWCC will this yield an eye appeal sticker.  The entire top edge might be trimmed, but it's too close to the bumper in the PSA 8 photo to make the call. https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1672261 
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12-19-2019, 07:56 PM
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12-19-2019, 07:57 PM
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This should be fun.
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12-19-2019, 07:58 PM
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Wait...so people are trimming with an old school elementary school paper trimmer?!
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12-19-2019, 08:32 PM
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A random question on trimming - shouldn’t the difference in trimmed / un-trimmed edges be discernible, before the card is in a slab? I bet a Munson 10 is like the Holy Grail to these guys. “Trout Update Rookies by the dozen.” DammitJim, I want a new grading company! |
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12-19-2019, 09:48 PM
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12-19-2019, 09:50 PM
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Turning a single PSA 9 into a PSA 10 can get you a more than capable setup. There's a reason that I assume that every graded card is trimmed. Literally anyone can do it and the profit potential is off the charts. Last edited by vwnut13; 12-19-2019 at 09:54 PM. |
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12-19-2019, 10:31 PM
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I have been too wrapped up in life to follow as closely as I would like these past few months, but everytime I find time to come to this site, I get more and more angry at these guys. I got scammed on a 34 Gehrig, so please understand I am asking a few strategic questions, not sympathizing and definitely NOT condoning. Here goes:
Have there not been any arrests yet because technically the trimmers are just submitting to grading services, who are grading them 1 to 10, and then the trimmers are just selling a card that has a grade 1 to 10? They are reselling a grade which carries monetary value at the core of the scam, not grading the cards themselves. Meaning, what they are doing is devious and scandalous and deceiving, but the EASILY PROVEABLE IN COURT “fraud” would be misrepresentation of service from the TPGs for misgrading and not performing the services they are charging for. The lack of short term follow through on the trimmers is maybe because they are harder to prosecute because while they are lyiing and cheating, they ultimately are just reselling a graded opinion, and it’s harder to PROVE IN COURT that they actually pulled the handle on the paper cutter than it is to show deception of services by the TPGs? So strategically if you are the FBI, you pressure the hell out of the trimmers to take a deal and turn and testify on the TPGs because a federal prosecutor has more interest in consumer advocacy/fraud than locking up a bunch of fat, middle aged men in 25 separate court cases? I am not a lawyer, but it seems way harder and more expensive to prosecute the trimmers than it is for prosecuting a TPG selling a fake/phony/fraudulent service to consumers. Like it seems you’re getting into like 25+ criminal cases at this stage, or you could just file 3 and fine the TPGs for not selling the service they provide with the help of 25 guys turning state’s evidence for a slap on the wrist and a fine. I fear the trimmers survive in order to kill the TPGs, which means the amoeba lives and multiplies. Unless you can get 25 guys to point their unique gun to encompass each of the other 24 people in the group, a lot of theses guys are gonna get away with it and survive and remain in the hobby. Am I being too pessimistic? |
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12-20-2019, 07:42 PM
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12-19-2019, 07:59 PM
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This is absolutely crazy
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12-19-2019, 08:08 PM
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As if this dude doesn't have enough money. Seriously, WTF has happened to this hobby? I know trimming has always been around, but this just absolutely disgusts me.
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12-19-2019, 08:13 PM
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Absolutely fantastic job of piecing it all together!
Once again, PWCC is smack in the middle of it. The list of hobby scum just keeps growing... 
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Seems like you could easily make 7 figures a year trimming and without much of a labor committment. I don’t see why that precludes someone just because they might have a few mil in the bank. It’s not like he’s doing this to bank 50k/year |
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12-19-2019, 08:13 PM
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THIS is what is needed to spur the feds. Nail someone high profile
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