Who graded this Duncan that just went for $5k?
 

How?

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Grading is BS. Learn about it.

Way too common with PSA in my opinion. Not worth it

"KuNDiTiOn SeNsiTiVe SeT" - PSA maximalist, probably.

Graded on a Friday at about 330pm when the lights went out.

It's been bouncing around inside that holder for 25 years.

[QUOTE=towerymt;19090924]It's been bouncing around inside that holder for 25 years.[/QUOTE]

Depending on the owner, PSA likely won't honor their guarantee, so everyone is playing extreme hot potato and trying to sell the label.

[QUOTE=towerymt;19090924]It's been bouncing around inside that holder for 25 years.[/QUOTE]

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it's in a sleeve....

[QUOTE=towerymt;19090924]It's been bouncing around inside that holder for 25 years.[/QUOTE]


I know exactly what you are talking about. Cards in PSA slabs rattle around and can get damaged easily imo. Chrome cards are even at more risk with no sleeve protection and the rubbing against hard plastic. Best way to store cards are penny sleeve+toploader++teambag. I only grade cards if I plan on selling them in the near future. All pc cards are ungraded for me. Only suckers pay premiums for modern day psa 10s

[QUOTE=towerymt;19090924]It's been bouncing around inside that holder for 25 years.[/QUOTE]

Yep, could very well have been a 10 when it was graded

[QUOTE=dunkindutchmen;19090965]it's in a sleeve....[/QUOTE]

No, it’s BGS that puts the cards in protective inner sleeves.

The submitter obviously got some highly favorable treatment. Very common. Sliding around in a case does not cause that level of damage.

[QUOTE=NBAicons;19091097]No, it’s BGS that puts the cards in protective inner sleeves.

The submitter obviously got some highly favorable treatment. Very common. [B]Sliding around in a case does not cause that level of damage.[/B][/QUOTE]

it absolutely can, especially after many years

You can visually see where flecks of the surface have transferred to the sleeve/holder. Spots match up perfectly.

[QUOTE=cornelljw;19090986]I know exactly what you are talking about. Cards in PSA slabs rattle around and can get damaged easily imo. Chrome cards are even at more risk with no sleeve protection and the rubbing against hard plastic. Best way to store cards are penny sleeve+toploader++teambag. I only grade cards if I plan on selling them in the near future. All pc cards are ungraded for me. Only suckers pay premiums for modern day psa 10s[/QUOTE]

Now you’re just being hurtful

[QUOTE=jcardstore;19091113]it absolutely can, especially after many years[/QUOTE]

Did the owner play the bongos with it?

If you are correct, that is scary. And it just highlights why the inner sleeve in the BGS holders is so important.

[QUOTE=NBAicons;19091097]No, it’s BGS that puts the cards in protective inner sleeves.

The submitter obviously got some highly favorable treatment. Very common. Sliding around in a case does not cause that level of damage.[/QUOTE]

PSA puts sleeves in all the time. It’s just not every time. Not sure if it’s by request but they absolutely do it

This one is clearly in a sleeve if you have eyeballs

I have tons that are in sleeves

[QUOTE=NBAicons;19091189]Did the owner play the bongos with it?

If you are correct, that is scary. And it just highlights why the inner sleeve in the BGS holders is so important.[/QUOTE]

like another poster mentioned, you can see the paint where it chipped off

What probably happened was that there was some moisture in the sleeve, the card got stuck to it and a good shake just took some of the finish off.

but to the other point, corners definitely can get dinged by the card moving around in the holder and you don't even have to sit there using it like a shakeweight

[QUOTE=jcardstore;19091198]like another poster mentioned, you can see the paint where it chipped off

What probably happened was that there was some moisture in the sleeve, the card got stuck to it and a good shake just took some of the finish off.

but to the other point, corners definitely can get dinged by the card moving around in the holder and you don't even have to sit there using it like a shakeweight[/QUOTE]

Correct

There's no way the card was graded this way and OP is just whining to whine

[QUOTE=jcardstore;19091203]There's no way the card was graded this way and OP is just whining to whine[/QUOTE]

I was just curious as the card has 4 different points of damage on it and the bottom right corner is severe if you zoom in. And the card is in a sleeve so I don't understand the bouncing-around theory.

[QUOTE=dunkindutchmen;19091209]I was just curious as the card has 4 different points of damage on it and the bottom right corner is severe if you zoom in. And the card is in a sleeve so I don't understand the bouncing-around theory.[/QUOTE]

Why do you keep saying it’s in a sleeve? You are confusing PSA with BGS.

[QUOTE=NBAicons;19091265]Why do you keep saying it’s in a sleeve? You are confusing PSA with BGS.[/QUOTE]

It’s not just BGS

PSA also sleeves cards. Just not all of them

I have plenty

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[QUOTE=NBAicons;19091265]Why do you keep saying it’s in a sleeve? You are confusing PSA with BGS.[/QUOTE]

Are you serious or trolling? Can you see the picture? PSA uses sleeves sometimes, especially with die-cut cards. All my 1983-84 Star basketball cards were returned with sleeves inside the holder on my last order.

Bought a card PSA 9 MINT for $20. Same card PSA 10 Gem Mint sold for almost $200.

I’ll take a card in mint condition for the price difference any day.

PSA 10 is a lie.

[QUOTE=sportzluvr1;19091281]Bought a card PSA 9 MINT for $20. Same card PSA 10 Gem Mint sold for almost $200.

I’ll take a card in mint condition for the price difference any day.

PSA 10 is a lie.[/QUOTE]

PSA 9 is a lie

[QUOTE=NBAicons;19091265]Why do you keep saying it’s in a sleeve? You are confusing PSA with BGS.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=asujbl;19091307]PSA 9 is a lie[/QUOTE]

but at only 1/10 the price :)!

[QUOTE=discodanman45;19091273]Are you serious or trolling? Can you see the picture? PSA uses sleeves sometimes, especially with die-cut cards. All my 1983-84 Star basketball cards were returned with sleeves inside the holder on my last order.[/QUOTE]

I actually cracked out a “sleeved” PSA slab recently, a 89 Upper Deck Griffey that’s in an oversized card slab, and I was actually surprised to see it’s not in a penny sleeve or something similar, it’s actually a plastic film/sheet that is laid over the front. And to be clear it was in a same holder like the Duncan. So I think this level of damage can still absolutely occur if it’s not properly sleeved

[QUOTE=NBAicons;19091097]No, it’s BGS that puts the cards in protective inner sleeves.

The submitter obviously got some highly favorable treatment. Very common. Sliding around in a case does not cause that level of damage.[/QUOTE]


Is this a new thing or is there a specific criteria that needs to be met before they put cards on a sleeve? I cracked 3 BGS slabs so far and didn’t find any sleeves.

[QUOTE=auburn35;19090957]Depending on the owner, PSA likely won't honor their guarantee, so everyone is playing extreme hot potato and trying to sell the label.[/QUOTE]
PSA paid me via check for a card that had been graded ~20 years prior by someone else. It had edge damage from rattling inside the case. But for some reason they didn't reach that conclusion, or they shared a different story with me. They told me it was likely crimped when encapsulated, but they didn't have documentation/video of it happening since it was graded so long ago so they couldn't be certain. Could be they don't want to admit fault of not protecting the card, so they say that instead?

100% was impact damage from being very loose in the holder.

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Compare to edge crimp from assembly (the shadow/ljne in the card next to the edge is a crimp mark)
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[QUOTE=towerymt;19091715]PSA paid me via check for a card that had been graded ~20 years prior by someone else. It had edge damage from rattling inside the case. But for some reason they didn't reach that conclusion, or they shared a different story with me. They told me it was likely crimped when encapsulated, but they didn't have documentation/video of it happening since it was graded so long ago so they couldn't be certain. Could be they don't want to admit fault of not protecting the card, so they say that instead?

100% was impact damage from being very loose in the holder.

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Compare to edge crimp from assembly (the shadow/ljne in the card next to the edge is a crimp mark)
[IMG]https://pbase.com/towerymt/image/172580173.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Was just about to come in here #@#@#@#@#@#@ing about the crimp marks from BGS “sleeves”. What a joke. Had a 2005 Chrome Rodgers Black /100 all jacked up back in the day because of it.

[QUOTE=swerve;19091121]You can visually see where flecks of the surface have transferred to the sleeve/holder. Spots match up perfectly.[/QUOTE]
Yup, does look like surface sticking rather than impact damage. New owner just needs to tap the card back into the right spot, boom, PSA-10 again.