Mike Trout Superfractor sets new all-time record with $3.9M sale
 

Mike Trout Superfractor sets new all-time record with $3.9M sale via Goldin Auctions >> [URL="http://bit.ly/3hz2zpa"][B]BlowoutBuzz.com[/B][/URL] #collect

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Up next, this card will be available for fractional shares...

Love seeing new record prices. Have to wonder what some of the other modern monster 1/1s are worth.

8 figures by the time of HOF induction?

Two questions:

1) Who bought it????

2) More generally, might this elevate interest in superfractors and other 1/1’s to another level?


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Hedge fund guys driving up prices. :doh:

What a time to be alive.

Leaf should buy this and cut it up and insert it into other cards................

Article is on the front page of ESPN. Just a bit more attention for the card market.

[url]https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29723239/mike-trout-rookie-card-becomes-highest-selling-sports-card-all[/url]

Cash.
Me.
Outside.

[QUOTE=ddearing;16344808]Leaf should buy this and cut it up and insert it into other cards................[/QUOTE]

I said the same thing about Panini!!! Great minds

[QUOTE=KhalDrogo;16344791]Love seeing new record prices. Have to wonder what some of the other modern monster 1/1s are worth.[/QUOTE]

Does Lebron have a Topps Chrome Super?

I imagine that beats this, right?

Edit: I just read it doesn’t exist. So exquisite 1/1?

[QUOTE=Stech36;16344837]Does Lebron have a Topps Chrome Super?

I imagine that beats this, right?[/QUOTE]
Not 2003.

The LeBron comparison would be one of the two 2003 Ultimate Logoman autos. I think I previously said $3-5M. Have to think those are both $5M+ now. One of the MJ/LeBron dual autos might get even more.

[QUOTE=ddearing;16344808]Leaf should buy this and cut it up and insert it into other cards................[/QUOTE]

I said the same thing about Panini!!! Great minds

Do we know who originally pulled this card, and or the number of times it changed hands?

I still get sick to my stomach thinking about the Trout xfractor and refractor autos I sold in the summer of 2012 (I wasnt going to these join the Jordan Schaffer and Brennan Boesch cards I still had).

All that shilling of the oranges and other cards actually paid off for him, well done.

Yes sports card market is about to crash, the bubble will burst soon :D. News articles like this will only add fuel to the fire, especially with it mentioning how the card was last sold only 2 years ago for $400k. I shouldn't have bought my investment home and bought this Trout Super instead :doh:

Greatest Insert of ALL TIME!

Does this sale imply that his base 2009 bowman chrome auto 9.5 is undervalued at $17k and should actually be closer to $40K?

I thought it would go for 8 figures, but the Angels slump this season makes Trout look really bad and reduced the selling price. It looks like Trout will probably be a "never won" guy, unfortunately, and that will limit the appreciation of his cards.

Overall this is great news for everyone in the hobby, congratulations everyone. If the Trout super is worth $3.9MM then reds are probably worth $1.5MM, and that trickles all the way down to 89 Upper Deck Griffey gem mint being a $5000 card and 2020 Bowman hobby boxes being $1K+. Just give it a few weeks.

[QUOTE=eye4talent;16344795]Two questions:

1) Who bought it????

2) More generally, [B]might this elevate interest in superfractors and other 1/1’s to another level[/B]?


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And...sealed product! :)!

I would totally crack it open and submit for a PSA 10

[QUOTE=Meets1;16345012]I would totally crack it open and submit for a PSA 10[/QUOTE]

It’s already such an iconic card, everyone in the hobby knows it is a BGS 9. A new grade wouldn’t really matter anyways

[QUOTE=centereacan06;16345049]It’s already such an iconic card, everyone in the hobby knows it is a BGS 9. A new grade wouldn’t really matter anyways[/QUOTE]


It was obviously a joke...


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[QUOTE=VinnyH;16344799]Hedge fund guys driving up prices. :doh:[/QUOTE]

Not sure if it's hedge funds or not. But it does seem kind of inflated. I'd rather have a 10 '52 Mantle or the Wagner card myself. But that's just me.

vegas dave cashin in

[QUOTE=Chrisyork33;16344831]Cash.
Me.
Outside.[/QUOTE]

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Indulging in baseless speculation...

According to Spotrac, Phil Hughes earned about $81.6 million as a player. Take out for taxes and agent fees, he probably netted somewhere around $45 million.

Obviously, he’s spent some of that. But maybe he has also invested well... Is that enough net worth to comfortably invest nearly $4 million into a piece of cardboard?


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[QUOTE=marl1220;16345084]Not sure if it's hedge funds or not. But it does seem kind of inflated. I'd rather have a 10 '52 Mantle or the Wagner card myself. But that's just me.[/QUOTE]

Apples and Oranges comparison imo. Part of this is potential, remember some people think Trout can be the best to ever play the game when its all said and done, the superfractor is a true 1/1, not a graded 1/1 and it's signed. Besides who knows, if the highest graded 52 Mantle or Highest graded Wagner gets put up for sale today, it might command even more money.

[QUOTE=eye4talent;16345150]Indulging in baseless speculation...

According to Spotrac, Phil Hughes earned about $81.6 million as a player. Take out for taxes and agent fees, he probably netted somewhere around $45 million.

Obviously, he’s spent some of that. But maybe he has also invested well... Is that enough net worth to comfortably invest nearly $4 million into a piece of cardboard?


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Was Phil Hughes the buyer of this Trout??


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[QUOTE=chiefsncards275;16345170]Was Phil Hughes the buyer of this Trout??


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I have no reason to believe that. I prefaced by saying I was indulging in “baseless speculation.”


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[QUOTE=eye4talent;16345226]I have no reason to believe that. I prefaced by saying I was indulging in “baseless speculation.”


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He already has the Tatis superfractor PSA 10. Who needs a lousy Trout one ;).

I wonder if Vegas Dave gave Goldin his father's ssn for tax purposes. Or maybe he learned that lesson already....

Mike Trout Superfractor sets new all-time record with $3.9M sale
 

An Action Comics #1 CGC 9.0 White Pages sold for around 3.2m back in 2014 on eBay. Granted that was back in 2014 and the collectible market has changed over years....but man I’m having a hard time seeing how this surpasses the iconic, influential, holy grail of comics in an essentially impossible grade. To each his own. I’m sure the sale helps increase interest/value in the hobby- ESPN was mentioning it over their bottom ticker, and many articles on it.

[QUOTE=DynaEtch;16349811]An Action Comics #1 CGC 9.0 White Pages sold for around 3.2m back in 2014 on eBay. Granted that was back in 2014 and the collectible market has changed over years....but man I’m having a hard time seeing how this surpasses the iconic, influential, holy grail of comics in an essentially impossible grade. To each his own. I’m sure the sale helps increase interest/value in the hobby- ESPN was mentioning it over their bottom ticker.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure you can compare comic book collecting to baseball cards.

Right now, I think only the three PSA 10 1952 Mantles would sell more than the Trout Superfractor did. Normally, I would include the Wagner T-206 but with the stigma of it possibly/probably being trimmed, I don't know if someone wants to pay $4 million for it.

Seriously, I am gonna miss Vegas Dave... one man gang of sports card promotion of Trout cards.

Oh wait...doesn't he have several more Trout biggies?

Lot of money for a guy without ONE top 100 season.

[QUOTE=k13;16350481]Lot of money for a guy without ONE top 100 season.[/QUOTE]

Top 100 in what?

A ‘52 Topps PSA 10 Mantle would easily pass $3.9M. Easily.

[URL="https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidseideman/2018/04/29/forget-the-2-9-million-mickey-mantle-card-there-are-three-worth-10-million/#5694626c3a99"]https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidseideman/2018/04/29/forget-the-2-9-million-mickey-mantle-card-there-are-three-worth-10-million/#5694626c3a99[/URL]

[QUOTE=bajcards4215;16350524]Top 100 in what?[/QUOTE]

Got to love the trout hate. Even if he was just average and had 3 WAR per year the rest of his career he’d have a chance to be one of the 10-20 players of all time still...and there is nothing to indicate that happens.

[QUOTE=rasputinx;16350228]Right now, I think only the three PSA 10 1952 Mantles would sell more than the Trout Superfractor did. Normally, I would include the Wagner T-206 but with the stigma of it possibly/probably being trimmed, I don't know if someone wants to pay $4 million for it.[/QUOTE]
PSA 8 Wagner would get $10M+. Jumbo Wagner would get well over $5M.

The 52 Mantle gems could rival the PSA 8 Wagner. PSA 9 would definitely outsell the Trout Super now.

[QUOTE=k13;16350481]Lot of money for a guy without ONE top 100 season.[/QUOTE]

It's crazy isn't it? He's had as many seasons under a .300 BA as over it and his career BA is only .304. Only 3 seasons over 100 RBIs too

[QUOTE=BBases31;16350681]It's crazy isn't it? He's had as many seasons under a .300 BA as over it and his career BA is only .304. Only 3 seasons over 100 RBIs too[/QUOTE]

I’m sorry, this is so dumb.

[QUOTE=BBases31;16350681]It's crazy isn't it? He's had as many seasons under a .300 BA as over it and his career BA is only .304. Only 3 seasons over 100 RBIs too[/QUOTE]

This is a shaky claim at best.

In eight full seasons, he's hit >.300 five times ('12, '13, '16, '17, '18) and <.300 three times ('14, 15, '19). In two of those below .300 seasons, he won MVP.

Further, he's a career .319 hitter with RISP, so the lack of RBI is much more a product of the Angels being trash.

Trout's start to his career is historic no matter how you slice it.

[QUOTE=k13;16350481]Lot of money for a guy without ONE top 100 season.[/QUOTE]

this you?

[QUOTE=k13;9072272]Glaus was actually better his first full time 4 years...thru 500 games...

Probably around 130 homers and 350 RBIs

His 162 game average for career is basically "peak" trout...

So let's not waste our time comparing him to all time greats..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=k13;11737054]Mike Trout is Jim edmonds minus the great defense.

To even compare him to Bonds, griffey, arod, Pujols, Miggy and all the old greats is a joke.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=k13;11958466]He's Jim edmonds with a worse average.

Mind you, edmonds was probably better than Trout.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=k13;14344838]Baseball steroid era was great.
Stopped watching baseball after it was gone.

To me Trout is not even as good as Jim Edmonds in his prime.

At 34 he was putting up 42hrs, 111rbi, .301 with great defense...
That's already a better year than any Trout has done....mr. MVP lol[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=k13;14421810]All his MVP's seasons are mediocre.

29 hr 100 rbi .315 avg

That's a bad season for a lot of great players not MVP.
Complete joke.

Everyone crushes every Mike Trout Season, A-rod, Miggy, Pujols, Bonds, Griffey, Juan Gonzalez, everyone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=k13;14521454]Griffey hit 50 hrs 140rbi and stole bases plus great defense

Stop talking about WAR since Trout is just an average ball player.

WAR means #@#@#@#@.

Made up stat to make you feel good about your hero.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=k13;14658598]Why are you paying so much for Trout when he's just another 30 hr, 100 rbi . 300 avg. player on a losing team??

Dime a dozen except he started young so everyone is excited that he can put up Jim Thome type numbers if he plays 20 years.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=k13;15531049]WAR is a made up stat which proves nothing.

Trout is not even in the same league as griffey/Pujols/Miggy/arod/Bonds/etc.

Trout's BEST season does not even rank in the top 100.

Why do you have to use WAR for trout?
Why not OPS, hrs, rbis, avg., etc...

Oh yeah, because he's the most overrated player in the world.

If he hits .350 50hr 150rbis once then maybe he can be talked about as something but even then that's one year and he still won't do that.

Why won't he? Because he's not that great.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=k13;16208932]Trout probably has been on PED's since young.

His stats are average compared to anyone from the 90s let alone bonds.

He won't shatter any records.

WAR is a joke stat.

Strikeouts every 1/3 rd at bat and still can't 50 Homers with no neck.

That's how sad the state of baseball is.
If somehow he was so valuable as WAR his team wouldn't be so #@#@#@#@ all the time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=bajcards4215;16350716]This is a shaky claim at best.

In eight full seasons, he's hit >.300 five times ('12, '13, '16, '17, '18) and <.300 three times ('14, 15, '19). In two of those below .300 seasons, he won MVP.

Further, he's a career .319 hitter with RISP, so the lack of RBI is much more a product of the Angels being trash.

Trout's start to his career is historic no matter how you slice it.[/QUOTE]

I should add that I agree that $3.9 mil is wild and that I own zero good trout cards, which is to say, there's no pump coming from me.

[QUOTE=bajcards4215;16350716]This is a shaky claim at best.

In eight full seasons, he's hit >.300 five times ('12, '13, '16, '17, '18) and <.300 three times ('14, 15, '19). In two of those below .300 seasons, he won MVP.

Further, he's a career .319 hitter with RISP, so the lack of RBI is much more a product of the Angels being trash.

Trout's start to his career is historic no matter how you slice it.[/QUOTE]

I was being sarcastic

[QUOTE=BBases31;16350728]I was being sarcastic[/QUOTE]

My bad bud!

the 13's are angry fellas

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;16350762]the 13's are angry fellas[/QUOTE]

Not this 13 :)

I think K13 hates Trout about as much as I hate the NFL right now. LOL

[QUOTE=stevenab87;16349841]I'm not sure you can compare comic book collecting to baseball cards.[/QUOTE]

There are MANY similarities.

-Rookie cards vs. The 1st Appearance of a character
-Grading and deeper unto to that, CGC is big dog in comic grading with CBCS a close 2nd. CGC used to have SGC under their umbrella and just now launched their own 2 card grading Companies. And what about CBCS? Well their owned by Beckett... BGS.
-condition sensitive collectibles, printed on paper goods etc.
- Comics have Variant covers, new comic might have 40 variants / Card has parallels, some cards have like 40 parallels
- Many graded comics from silver age, golden age, and some in bronze age sell for 10s of thousands of dollars if not hundreds of thousands, same can be said of cards.
- old cards were treated poorly, old comics were treated poorly.

[QUOTE=rasputinx;16350228]Right now, I think only the three PSA 10 1952 Mantles would sell more than the Trout Superfractor did. Normally, I would include the Wagner T-206 but with the stigma of it possibly/probably being trimmed, I don't know if someone wants to pay $4 million for it.[/QUOTE]

The alterations on that Wagner are meaningless for the most part. The Kendrick sale was 13 years ago and there is little to no chance he didn’t know the history of the card at the time of the purchase. That card on market today would almost guarantee to hammer at $10+ million and likely would close in the $25-$35 million range. In the past decade premier collectibles, antiques, and art and cemented themselves as one of the top store of wealth locations and rapid inflation and every dollar you have worth much much less. I’m glad to see this card getting the recognition it has, but there is a snow balls chance in hell a the Kendrick Wagner wouldn’t triple it in the least.

I'll get a nice scan for everyone once it arrives. ;)

So I followed the sale of this card pretty closely. During the last couple of hours of extended bidding, the clock would always reach about 5 min-3 min left etc. Then a random bid would come in to raise the price.

I kind of agree with others, that I think Dave, or someone that "works for" him was shill bidding that card. He may even keep the card himself, I would love to see Goldin release the paperwork of when it is sold, like they did with the Red Trout. Doubt we see that.

Anyways, either way Dave bought it at 400K and now cashes out at close to 7-8x that. Can't complain. He seemed upset last night, because apparently all his "whale plays" people pay 200 a pop for lost!

[QUOTE=YeahBuddy;16350826]There are MANY similarities.

-Rookie cards vs. The 1st Appearance of a character
-Grading and deeper unto to that, CGC is big dog in comic grading with CBCS a close 2nd. CGC used to have SGC under their umbrella and just now launched their own 2 card grading Companies. And what about CBCS? Well their owned by Beckett... BGS.
-condition sensitive collectibles, printed on paper goods etc.
- Comics have Variant covers, new comic might have 40 variants / Card has parallels, some cards have like 40 parallels
- Many graded comics from silver age, golden age, and some in bronze age sell for 10s of thousands of dollars if not hundreds of thousands, same can be said of cards.
- old cards were treated poorly, old comics were treated poorly.[/QUOTE]

yeaaaaaaaah buddy!

[QUOTE=speedyjg13;16350774]Not this 13 :)[/QUOTE]

true!

Anyone else thinking these prices just don't add up? Don't get me wrong, Trout is a great player with a huge fan base. From a stats perspective though, I don't see how he could land in the top 5 greatest all time players list. His career BA is just few points over .300 ... no GG awards ... 41 HR in 2015 (tied 5th in MLB) ... 45 HR in 2019 (5th in MLB) ... sure, he has won 3 MPV's, but so have 9 other players in MLB history.

Add in the fact that he's 29 and he's not superman, so odds are he might have another 5 spectacular seasons, maybe 6 at best. So these prices are based on speculation that he will get some magical 2nd wind after 30? Are investors really speculating that Trout will bat well-above .300 every year, hit 40+ HR's every year, and win another 2 or 3 MVP's before he retires?

:confused: Hmmmmm .....

[QUOTE=Chrisyork33;16344831]Cash.
Me.
Outside.[/QUOTE]

How bout dat?

The suspicion of "shill bidding" or manipulation will always be there, but when you think about it - the guy bought it at 400K 2 years ago, Trout won another MVP, and it sold for $4M in today's crazy market - sound about right to me!

For those of you trying to dissect Trout's statistics - the way Vegas Dave explained paying $400K initially was that he didn't know anything about Baseball Cards but just asked who the best player currently was and what was his ULTIMATE card. He was playing the MARKET, not the player, so you'd have to think VD and Gary V were in on it together to say there's some kind of larger manipulation going on.

[QUOTE=YeahBuddy;16350826]There are MANY similarities.

-Rookie cards vs. The 1st Appearance of a character
-Grading and deeper unto to that, CGC is big dog in comic grading with CBCS a close 2nd. CGC used to have SGC under their umbrella and just now launched their own 2 card grading Companies. And what about CBCS? Well their owned by Beckett... BGS.
-condition sensitive collectibles, printed on paper goods etc.
- Comics have Variant covers, new comic might have 40 variants / Card has parallels, some cards have like 40 parallels
- Many graded comics from silver age, golden age, and some in bronze age sell for 10s of thousands of dollars if not hundreds of thousands, same can be said of cards.
- old cards were treated poorly, old comics were treated poorly.[/QUOTE]


I agree with you. In comics though, you don’t really have that large segment that hates CGC the way a large segment of the carb hobby hates PSA/BGS. Sure, some collectors don’t like graded comics, but it’s just not the same as what you see with cards.

[QUOTE=bajcards4215;16350524]Top 100 in what?[/QUOTE]

100 best seasons all time.

You know like Ruth, Mantle, Bonds, pujols, etc. Have plenty...

He's had a few borderline ones recently but still can't crack the top 100.

He can't hit for power and he can't hit for average.
Just in between..

He doesn't steal bases anymore so at the end of the day he's irrelevant. If Angels traded him its not like they would be a worse team because they already suck with him.

That's why WAR is a joke. He's easily replaced.

[QUOTE=k13;16354212]100 best seasons all time.



You know like Ruth, Mantle, Bonds, pujols, etc. Have plenty...



He's had a few borderline ones recently but still can't crack the top 100.



He can't hit for power and he can't hit for average.

Just in between..



He doesn't steal bases anymore so at the end of the day he's irrelevant. If Angels traded him its not like they would be a worse team because they already suck with him.



That's why WAR is a joke. He's easily replaced.[/QUOTE]What are you using to determine top 100 seasons though? Like a particular stat or group of stats?

And he's good for 39 bombs and a .300 average, so that seems like someone who does indeed hit for power and average.

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If you put him on a .500 team, would they now be an automatic playoff contender? Yes.

[QUOTE=k13;16354212]100 best seasons all time.

You know like Ruth, Mantle, Bonds, pujols, etc. Have plenty...

He's had a few borderline ones recently but still can't crack the top 100.

He can't hit for power and he can't hit for average.
Just in between..

He doesn't steal bases anymore so at the end of the day he's irrelevant. If Angels traded him its not like they would be a worse team because they already suck with him.

That's why WAR is a joke. He's easily replaced.[/QUOTE]


So you’re saying a 3X MVP hasn’t had 1 season of being worthy of the top 100 ever? I’m not buying it, awful take.


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[QUOTE=chiefsncards275;16354308]So you’re saying a 3X MVP hasn’t had 1 season of being worthy of the top 100 ever? I’m not buying it, awful take.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]I assume he's trolling, but I would like to at least see how he's definite top 100 seasons.

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[QUOTE=k13;16354212]100 best seasons all time.

You know like Ruth, Mantle, Bonds, pujols, etc. Have plenty...

He's had a few borderline ones recently but still can't crack the top 100.

He can't hit for power and he can't hit for average.
Just in between..

He doesn't steal bases anymore so at the end of the day he's irrelevant. If Angels traded him its not like they would be a worse team because they already suck with him.

That's why WAR is a joke. He's easily replaced.[/QUOTE]


So you’re more of a Pokémon guy than a baseball guy, that’s fine. Just maybe discuss more Pokémon and less baseball.

[QUOTE=stevenab87;16345080]It was obviously a joke...


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Not obvious enough I guess

[QUOTE=sbfinley;16354370]So you’re more of a Pokémon guy than a baseball guy, that’s fine. Just maybe discuss more Pokémon and less baseball.[/QUOTE]

he's not a sports guy

He's never hit 50 home runs in a season in his career. Never won a single playoff game. This is seriously a guy were talking about being an all-time great c'mon now.

[QUOTE=pete2345;16355029]He's never hit 50 home runs in a season in his career. Never won a single playoff game. This is seriously a guy were talking about being an all-time great c'mon now.[/QUOTE]

how great is that?

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;16355035]how great is that?[/QUOTE]

He's just the best in the game right now. And we're in a time where the biggest money ever is being poured into the hobby which is great. But to really believe he's up there with legends of the past is just wrong. WAR is not what made those guys the legends they were. Believe it or not I like trout I really do and still have a decent stash of his stuff.

[QUOTE=pete2345;16355029]He's never hit 50 home runs in a season in his career. Never won a single playoff game. This is seriously a guy were talking about being an all-time great c'mon now.[/QUOTE]Hank Aaron never hit 50 homeruns in a season and I'm pretty sure he's up there.

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[QUOTE=sbfinley;16354370]So you’re more of a Pokémon guy than a baseball guy, that’s fine. Just maybe discuss more Pokémon and less baseball.[/QUOTE]

Its not that farfetche'd to say Trout hasnt had a Top 100 Season.

IMO Harper had a better Season than Trout has had.

Also, Id venture to say Griffey had 4 or 5 Better Seasons.
Bonds had 4 or 5
Sosa 1 or 2
McGwire 1 or 2


Now, I would think he has a Top 100 Season, but wouldnt be surpsied at all to see he doesnt have a top 50.

Remember, you may hate steroids and the whole 90s early 2000s. But guys hit 45hr, 300avg 100+ rbi pretty common.

So seeing how Trouts Best Combined Year is
45/111rbi/129 runs.

Griffey finished 4th in MVP at
56/146/120

Trout is Consistant, for a long period of time. But hell, whos season is better-

50hr, 117 runs, 110 RBI, 21 sb, 297 avg, 396 obo, (finished 9th in MVP)
or
45 hr, 110 runs, 104 rbi, 11sb, 291 avg, 438 obp, (Won MVP)