Those players everyone loves, but you love to hate
 

We all have them, those guys who are loved by so many but you can not stand.

There are so many reasons for this, but I am curious who everyone loves to hate.

None of these are POMO for me as they are players I never would have collected. I actually made a little bit off of Harper over the years buying low and selling the few times he was selling high. The others I never thought of collecting.


Here’s mine:

1) Bryce Harper - one of the most overrated players in the game who IMO never lived up to the hype. Super conceited, holds out on making a deal just to say he had the largest deal ever...that was very short lived lol! This guy thinks he is something he is not, enjoy him Philly!

2) Aaron Judge - he had a good rookie year, and since has not lived up to expectations. His fans tote him as the second coming, but instead he can’t stay in the game for long periods without regressing then getting hurt. NYC is ready to give him the keys, but he is really just a mediocre player IMO.

3) Vlad Jr - but but but he can hit bombs! Yes he can, when he is pitched a perfect ball right where he wants it. When he has to show skill at hitting a pitcher who doesn’t want him to hit he fails. He is cocky and is riding the coat tails of his father. Honestly if his father wasn’t who he is, Jr would not have been has highly regarded.

4) David Ortiz - some of this comes from me being a Twins fan and him going away and then becoming a great hitter. However, he is a cheater and thinks he is larger than the game, and his fans let him. I do not like any Boston team, but he takes the cake for worst ever. I will admit he can hit the ball, and was a great DH, but I still can’t stand him.


So who are your guys you love to hate?

If Judge can stay healthy, he's way more than a 'mediocre player'. He's had 153 games since his rookie year, and he's hit 38 HRs with an OPS+ of 150. Not the rate he set during 2017, but it's still pretty damn good.

As long as he can stay on the field, he will produce. I think some people here don't like him just because of the loonies in the Judge thread during his rookie year.

[QUOTE=no10pin;14864127]If Judge can stay healthy, he's way more than a 'mediocre player'. He's had 153 games since his rookie year, and he's hit 38 HRs with an OPS+ of 150. Not the rate he set during 2017, but it's still pretty damn good.

As long as he can stay on the field, he will produce. I think some people here don't like him just because of the loonies in the Judge thread during his rookie year.[/QUOTE]

Only 153 games in two years is a failure IMO. Guy can’t stay healthy, already on the bad side of 25, I do not see him ever being healthy again.

The guy is just not what people thought he was, and he will fade away into obscurity. There’s even a good chance he won’t hold the rookie home run record anymore after this season.

You are right, my hatred of him could be raised by his ridiculous fans both here and throughout the Yankee world. I can’t stand them, which translates into hating him.

Yelich, i dont see the card hype

I'm sure this will be a fun one :)!

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Mike Trout.

Disagree with the Judge assessment. Dude has been a monster when healthy. The problem is, he gets banged up alot.

On top of that, he seems like a good dude. Why anyone outside of Boston would dislike him is beyond me.

Harper on the other hand, is a douche, and is hyped even more than Judge, but even when healthy tends to go through some really rough stretches.

[QUOTE=Lonewolf;14864175]Disagree with the Judge assessment. Dude has been a monster when healthy. The problem is, he gets banged up alot.

On top of that, he seems like a good dude. Why anyone outside of Boston would dislike him is beyond me.

Harper on the other hand, is a douche, and is hyped even more than Judge, but even when healthy tends to go through some really rough stretches.[/QUOTE]

The oblique injury was legit, but it's hard to knock a guy much for getting hit by a pitch.

David Ortiz, the beloved juicer that "brought back" the world series to Boston.

These posts need a “Like” button

[QUOTE=rman112;14864177]The oblique injury was legit, but it's hard to knock a guy much for getting hit by a pitch.[/QUOTE]

Yup, and that injury cost him like two months and came at a time when he was picking up....:(

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14864152]Yelich, i dont see the card hype[/QUOTE]

Really? He is looking at back to back MVP seasons, and a potential triple crown this year. He think that is all hype, or do you think he will fall short and then stop playing well next year?

Agree with Harper and Vlad. Harper is just a skid mark. And I don’t really hate Vlad, just the prices he’s still commanding. Would be nice to see him come down to affordability.

[QUOTE=dashcol;14864205]Really? He is looking at back to back MVP seasons, and a potential triple crown this year. He think that is all hype, or do you think he will fall short and then stop playing well next year?[/QUOTE]

I like Yeli a lot, but these super awesome numbers for 2 seasons are a giant leap from the first 4 in Miami. I’ve always been hesistant with late bloomers. But definitely don’t dislike him.

[QUOTE=dashcol;14864205]Really? He is looking at back to back MVP seasons, and a potential triple crown this year. He think that is all hype, or do you think he will fall short and then stop playing well next year?[/QUOTE]

28, in milwaukee. bleh

Dale Murphy won back to back MVPs, but not many seem to care

3) Vlad Jr - but but but he can hit bombs! Yes he can, when he is pitched a perfect ball right where he wants it. When he has to show skill at hitting a pitcher who doesn’t want him to hit he fails. [B]He is cocky and is riding the coat tails of his father. Honestly if his father wasn’t who he is, Jr would not have been has highly regarded.[/B]

Two questions. First, what has he done to make you label him as cocky? Second, have you seen his production in the minors? Because that is why he is so highly regarded.

Love the list, OP. I would add Machado to the list as well.

[QUOTE=whitesoxfan3579;14864319]Love the list, OP. I would add Machado to the list as well.[/QUOTE]

Most everyone hates Machado, though.

[QUOTE=LoveRookies;14864316]Second, have you seen his production in the minors? Because that is why he is so highly regarded.[/QUOTE]

Once prospects graduate and have a big enough sample size to start drawing conclusions from, their minor league stats start to go out of the window

Many players over the years have crushed the minors but failed to find meaningful success at the Major League level aka Quad A Player

Not saying Vlad is this but his prices at call-up assumed Trout like production

[QUOTE=LoveRookies;14864316]3) Vlad Jr - but but but he can hit bombs! Yes he can, when he is pitched a perfect ball right where he wants it. When he has to show skill at hitting a pitcher who doesn’t want him to hit he fails. [B]He is cocky and is riding the coat tails of his father. Honestly if his father wasn’t who he is, Jr would not have been has highly regarded.[/B]

Two questions. First, what has he done to make you label him as cocky? Second, have you seen his production in the minors? Because that is why he is so highly regarded.[/QUOTE]

Ah, c'mon. It's not like he hit .381/20/78 in 95 games, between AA and AAA, as a 19 year old, last year.

[QUOTE=whitesoxfan3579;14864319]Love the list, OP. I would add Machado to the list as well.[/QUOTE]

was just going to say this, but then remembered, no one really loves him.

[QUOTE=PumpnDumpling;14864332]Once prospects graduate and have a big enough sample size to start drawing conclusions from, their minor league stats start to go out of the window

Many players over the years have crushed the minors but failed to find meaningful success at the Major League level aka Quad A Player

Not saying Vlad is this but his prices at call-up assumed Trout like production[/QUOTE]

Fair enough, but that isn't what the OP was saying. He stated Vlad was only highly regarded due to his lineage, which is truly absurd. Also, Vlad Jr. has 253 career MLB at-bats. And he's 20 years old. I know it sounds crazy, but it might take him a full season or two to even scratch the surface of his potential. Lest we forget what Mike Trout looked like when he got to the bigs in 2011.

Derek Jeter. I just think he is over rated.

[QUOTE=LoveRookies;14864348]Fair enough, but that isn't what the OP was saying. He stated Vlad was only highly regarded due to his lineage, which is truly absurd. Also, Vlad Jr. has 253 career MLB at-bats. And he's 20 years old. I know it sounds crazy, but it might take him a full season or two to even scratch the surface of his potential. Lest we forget what Mike Trout looked like when he got to the bigs in 2011.[/QUOTE]

Mike Trout was in shape. Vlad Jr. is fat. Am I doing that right?

1) Couldn't agree more. He is pretty much a one-hit wonder that cares more about his looks and hair than anything else.
2) Don't hate him, but it was fun messing with the overly sensitive Judgeheads in the past.
3) Yep....all bark, no bite so far with this guy. His fans on this board seem overly sensitive as well.
4) Don't hate him at all.

[QUOTE=callou2131;14864345]was just going to say this, but then remembered, no one really loves him.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=scotthenrichs;14864328]Most everyone hates Machado, though.[/QUOTE]

Whoops! I was not even thinking.

Mike Trout, during any interview or public appearance, he comes off as a dumb one-dimensional jock.

[QUOTE=LoveRookies;14864316]3) Vlad Jr - but but but he can hit bombs! Yes he can, when he is pitched a perfect ball right where he wants it. When he has to show skill at hitting a pitcher who doesn’t want him to hit he fails. [B]He is cocky and is riding the coat tails of his father. Honestly if his father wasn’t who he is, Jr would not have been has highly regarded.[/B]

Two questions. First, what has he done to make you label him as cocky? Second, have you seen his production in the minors? Because that is why he is so highly regarded.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure what I see that makes me think of him as cocky. It’s the same arrogance that a lot of the young guys coming up have. The 19 year old kids who think they are owed everything. Maybe I am seeing something that is not there.

As far as his performance, I don’t care about his performance in the minors. There are a lot of guys who come through the minors and dominate and then fall on their face in the bigs. He can’t hit major league pitchers, he can’t field, and he can’t run. IMO his ceiling is Prince Fielder. He will most likely be another Kevin Maas. Hopefully I am wrong, and he becomes great.

[QUOTE=whitesoxfan3579;14864319]Love the list, OP. I would add Machado to the list as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=scotthenrichs;14864328]Most everyone hates Machado, though.[/QUOTE]

I was going to add him to my list, as I view him as a scourge on the sport, but like Scott said above, I don’t know if there are many who actually love him.

[QUOTE=rman112;14864333]Ah, c'mon. It's not like he hit .381/20/78 in 95 games, between AA and AAA, as a 19 year old, last year.[/QUOTE]

Again, when he can do it in the minors I will give him the respect. I will also admit I was wrong, but I do not care what he did to get to the majors, I care what he does when he’s there.

[QUOTE=danimal875;14864397]Mike Trout, during any interview or public appearance, he comes off as a dumb one-dimensional jock.[/QUOTE]

Trout does strike me as a typical jock, but he also seems genuine in what he says, and does. He just doesn’t seem too bright, but has a kind, giving mentality and never struck me as arrogant or conceited. Quite the opposite, very humble and grounded.

[QUOTE=no10pin;14864127]If Judge can stay healthy, he's way more than a 'mediocre player'. He's had 153 games since his rookie year, and he's hit 38 HRs with an OPS+ of 150. Not the rate he set during 2017, but it's still pretty damn good.

As long as he can stay on the field, he will produce. I think some people here don't like him just because of the loonies in the Judge thread during his rookie year.[/QUOTE]

I fail to see how Judge is a mediocre player in any way. Getting hurt doesn't make one a mediocre player. Maybe OP is unfamiliar with the definition of mediocre.

Edit: I do think he is still overpriced.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14864152]Yelich, i dont see the card hype[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Once he hits a slump or rut people are going to be dumping like crazy imo.

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14864152]Yelich, i dont see the card hype[/QUOTE]

Card prices will plummet when it's revealed that he has been taking the same "supplements" that helped Ryan Braun. :coffee:

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;14864491]Agreed. Once he hits a slump or rut people are going to be dumping like crazy imo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Big35Hurt;14864499]Card prices will plummet when it's revealed that he has been taking the same "supplements" that helped Ryan Braun. :coffee:[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes: :doh:

[QUOTE=Sportnut08;14864514]:rolleyes: :doh:[/QUOTE]

His cards went down by about half when he had a slump a couple months ago and have not fully recovered since.

Thought I was supposed to get blocked, since I shatter your CY hopes and dreams at every turn?

[QUOTE=Hollywood42;14864153]I'm sure this will be a fun one :)!

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Lol. Made me laugh

Harper is 26. So far ahead stat wise then most

If he gets lucky and stays healthy and plays 12 years

Literally 150 hits and 25 home runs on average

Puts him close to 3000/500.. what 6-8 players ever to do it ???

It’s all about health for everyone.

But he is maybe 1 of 10 players right now who has a shot

I just don’t know what everyone wants him to be ?

He’s 26 let’s see what happens next 12-13 years

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;14864524]His cards went down by about half when he had a slump a couple months ago and have not fully recovered since.

Thought I was supposed to get blocked, since I shatter your CY hopes and dreams at every turn?[/QUOTE]

Gone down by half? I sold some stuff for more a few weeks back than I did a few months ago. Only thing that has decreased significantly is Base PSA 10s, and the peak on those was not at all in line with raw sales.

[QUOTE=Sportnut08;14864537]Gone down by half? I sold some stuff for more a few weeks back than I did a few months ago. Only thing that has decreased significantly is Base PSA 10s, and the peak on those was not at all in line with raw sales.[/QUOTE]

I picked up four Mint raw Updates for $25-30 in late April I believe. Just a month or so earlier they were hitting $45-50+

He's raking right now and you can snag a handful for $35 still.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;14864562]I picked up four Mint raw Updates for $25-30 in late April I believe. Just a month or so earlier they were hitting $45-50+[/QUOTE]

I sold six a few weeks ago for an average of $44. And today there are several sales $45-$50+ :confused:

Tom Brady.

[QUOTE=Bassplayah101;14864589]Tom Brady.[/QUOTE]

I agree, easily the most hated man in sports for me, well between him and Bellicheck.

This is about baseball though, even though I would say that hatred of anything New England transpires all sports. Just think the name brings anger to me!

Leon Durham, back in 1984 spring training as he was walking out to his car after a game I asked him to sign a ball and he said”I don’t have time for you kid”. People seemed to like him, but I never forgot that.

[QUOTE=dave2424;14864612]Leon Durham, back in 1984 spring training as he was walking out to his car after a game I asked him to sign a ball and he said”I don’t have time for you kid”. People seemed to like him, but I never forgot that.[/QUOTE]

Alright, you are the first person to give an example of a legit reason to not like a player.

That would have jaded me too if he had done that to me or my children.

Guerrero dominating the minors at such a young age shows why he was so highly regarded. And it's not because of his Dad.

The entire Astros team....

[QUOTE=kyle1707;14864535]I just don’t know what everyone wants him to be ?
[/QUOTE]

Not a .250 hitter.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;14864562]I picked up four Mint raw Updates for $25-30 in late April I believe. Just a month or so earlier they were hitting $45-50+

He's raking right now and you can snag a handful for $35 still.[/QUOTE]
Just Looked. April 1st I paid $14 for one and April 16th I paid $19

[QUOTE=callou2131;14864641]Just Looked. April 1st I paid $14 for one and April 16th I paid $19[/QUOTE]

But whatever fits your agenda, right? :)! :coffee:

[QUOTE=rman112;14864619]Guerrero dominating the minors at such a young age shows why he was so highly regarded. And it's not because of his Dad.[/QUOTE]

His hype started way before that. Every article written about him started “Vladimir Guerrero JR, son on Hall of Famer Vladimir Guerrero....” and some still refer to him as this as he has not made an actual name for himself in the majors.

People expected him to be his father, which he is not.

[QUOTE=Sportnut08;14864649]But whatever fits your agenda, right? :)! :coffee:[/QUOTE]

We know one person's agenda is clear.....

[QUOTE=Sportnut08;14864579]I sold six a few weeks ago for an average of $44. And today there are several sales $45-$50+ :confused:[/QUOTE]

So I should probably hit the BINs on the 15 centered copies sitting at $35-45 on eBay?

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;14864653]We know one person's agenda is clear.....[/QUOTE]

I’m not sure what your agenda is, but you take every possible turn to discredit Yelich, including making up information regarding his market.

I bought a Target Red for $99.99 on 4/10. Chrome Update Gold refractors for $250 on 4/14 and $259 on 4/21. Show me where I can find these for half that price, or when they went for more than they currently do.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;14864663]So I should probably hit the BINs on the 15 centered copies sitting at $35-45 on eBay?[/QUOTE]

I have over 200. I won’t stop you :)!

Nice chatting with ya. Gotta save some pumping for #36 tonight.

[QUOTE=dashcol;14864652]His hype started way before that. Every article written about him started “Vladimir Guerrero JR, son on Hall of Famer Vladimir Guerrero....” and some still refer to him as this as he has not made an actual name for himself in the majors.

People expected him to be his father, which he is not.[/QUOTE]

No one reasonably expects him to perform like a HOFer 250 ABs into his career. I'm not saying he's going to inevitably be a HOFer, but intimating that he is a bust or overhyped seems a bit premature, especially if that opinion is based on Jr. not putting up numbers like his father did in the prime of his career.

Also, most articles about 2nd generation pros are going to reference their fathers.

[QUOTE=Sportnut08;14864664]I’m not sure what your agenda is, but you take every possible turn to discredit Yelich, including making up information regarding his market.

I bought a Target Red for $99.99 on 4/10. Chrome Update Gold refractors for $250 on 4/14 and $259 on 4/21. Show me where I can find these for half that price, or when they went for more than they currently do.[/QUOTE]

I don't discredit him, he's a great player. I think the market is all hype and objectively he is a bad buy. This is coming from someone who owns Yelich cards.

Great buys on your April pickups. Higher end stuff tends to hold value, because people are holding longer term and far less are available. To get a better idea of the market as a whole and the supply + demand you need to look at his flagship items like Update and Update Chrome.

[QUOTE=Sportnut08;14864667]I have over 200. I won’t stop you :)!

Nice chatting with ya. Gotta save some pumping for #36 tonight.[/QUOTE]

As I said..... one person's agenda is clear.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;14864685]As I said..... one person's agenda is clear.[/QUOTE]

I have no agenda. Everything I am sitting on is free money at this point. Of course, I would like them to go up in value. I would also like my hundreds of Dontrelle Willis rookies to go up in value.

[QUOTE=dashcol;14864652]His hype started way before that. Every article written about him started “Vladimir Guerrero JR, son on Hall of Famer Vladimir Guerrero....” and some still refer to him as this as he has not made an actual name for himself in the majors.

People expected him to be his father, which he is not.[/QUOTE]

Of course it's going to be mentioned. But it seems like you're saying he's highly regarded because of his Dad. Like saying Judge is mediocre, it's just silly.

Vlad Sr. came up at 21 and change. He played 9 games. He wasn't a regular until he was 23. Vlad Jr. turned 20 in March.

[QUOTE=ucLAkers;14864621]The entire Astros team....[/QUOTE]

I get Bregman kinda seems like a jagaloon not sure on the rest. Ahh I see your username I see why now.

[QUOTE=Noles939913;14864706]I get Bregman kinda seems like a jagaloon not sure on the rest. Ahh I see your username I see why now.[/QUOTE]

All I know is I want more of the Bregman- Bauer feud.

[QUOTE=Sportnut08;14864693]I have no agenda. Everything I am sitting on is free money at this point. Of course, I would like them to go up in value. I would also like my hundreds of Dontrelle Willis rookies to go up in value.[/QUOTE]

If you can get $45-50 per, I'd cash in that $10K! :)!

[QUOTE=LoveRookies;14864708]All I know is I want more of the Bregman- Bauer feud.[/QUOTE]

I think Bauer - Cole is the real feud. Those two have hated each other going back to their college days.

[QUOTE=Noles939913;14864714]I think Bauer - Cole is the real feud. Those two have hated each other going back to their college days.[/QUOTE]

I want that to continue, and escalate. Going to back to the OP's question, I love to hate Trevor Bauer.

[QUOTE=deemsterz33;14864711]If you can get $45-50 per, I'd cash in that $10K! :)![/QUOTE]

But then I will do something stupid like invest it in Michael Porter Jr., and he may never set foot on an NBA court :cool:

[QUOTE=LoveRookies;14864717]I want that to continue, and escalate. Going to back to the OP's question, I love to hate Trevor Bauer.[/QUOTE]

Haha. Yes. That is a great feud.

[QUOTE=Sportnut08;14864721]But then I will do something stupid like invest it in Michael Porter Jr., and he may never set foot on an NBA court :cool:[/QUOTE]

Uh oh, time to burn my MJPs haha

I heard that Mantle guy is cool

[QUOTE=Davis;14864185]These posts need a “Like” button[/QUOTE]



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[QUOTE=Soxrule111;14864356]Derek Jeter. I just think he is over rated.[/QUOTE]

Came here to say Jeter as well

Jeter & Eli Manning ( If he has any love LOL).

I would say Brady & Ortiz but are they loved outside New England?

[QUOTE=ThoseBackPages;14864249]28, in milwaukee. bleh



Dale Murphy won back to back MVPs, but not many seem to care[/QUOTE]



I agree with TBP here on Yelich

He lacks charisma

Doesn’t mean he isn’t a great player and a great person - just means he doesn’t draw people in the way others do


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[QUOTE=pryantexas;14864841]I agree with TBP here on Yelich

[B]He lacks charisma[/B]

Doesn’t mean he isn’t a great player and a great person - just means he doesn’t draw people in the way others do


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Sure, you’re not talking about Trout?

New School - Manny Machado
Old School - Barry Bonds

David Ortiz
José Altuve

[QUOTE=Rememberthepast;14864858]New School - Manny Machado

Old School - Barry Bonds[/QUOTE]



Weird seems like everyone hates both


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[QUOTE=Rememberthepast;14864858]New School - Manny Machado
Old School - Barry Bonds[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AnthonyCorona;14864887]Weird seems like everyone hates both


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I like them both :popcorn:

[QUOTE=rman112;14864700]Of course it's going to be mentioned. But it seems like you're saying he's highly regarded because of his Dad. Like saying Judge is mediocre, it's just silly.

Vlad Sr. came up at 21 and change. He played 9 games. He wasn't a regular until he was 23. Vlad Jr. turned 20 in March.[/QUOTE]

We can agree to disagree on the points of Guerrero JR being Overhyped and Judge being mediocre.

Everyone who claims Judge to be one of the greats ignores the fact that playing baseball at the professional level and playing 165 games a year at that level is one of the most physically demanding sports there is. Your consistency and ability to stay healthy enough to play says a lot about a player. This is why Ripken’s record will never be broken, and why he was the player he was.

It also says a lot that Judge hasn’t been healthy for a full season since 2017. Even then he was injured for part of it, which IMO lowers his ability as a star player.

Also why is it that Judge gets a pass for being injured all the time and everyone says that he is great just wait until he’s healthy, but a player like Buxton gets criticized for being injured?

[QUOTE=AnthonyCorona;14864887]Weird seems like everyone hates both


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Yeah, I probably should have included Bonds as one of my original 4, he ruined baseball for me for such a long time. It is almost like I have blocked him from my memory.

[QUOTE=dashcol;14864606]I agree, easily the most hated man in sports for me, well between him and Bellicheck.

This is about baseball though, even though I would say that hatred of anything New England transpires all sports. Just think the name brings anger to me![/QUOTE]

I feel you! :)