Missing Mag - worth a negative?
 

Hi all,
Wanted to get everyone's opinion on kind of an odd situation. I purchased [url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-Flawless-Peyton-Manning-Greats-Dual-Patch-Auto-25-Colts/202283723412?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649[/url] and specifically in the description, it listed that all card were shipped in the case advertised.

When I received the card, it was in a top-loader. I sent the seller a message asking why it wasn't shipped in the mag, and they responded saying they weren't sure how that happened.

What's a bit funny about the above is my name was written on the top-loader, sooooooooo.... yeah.

The card itself looked fine, so I asked the seller if they either had a mag they could ship me or throw a few bucks my way so I can purchase one myself (don't have a local card shop near me). It's been a 6 days now without any response and am wondering if it's a complete ass-move to leave a negative or neutral. Yep, 100% card got to me safe and sound, but if what I received wasn't what was ironically specifically called out in the description with no response to fix it, seems off to me.

Seller did state that the case would be included, so you might be able to get a $2 refund out of them or get them to mail you a mag.... Ask him if he has mailed one out or plans on issuing a refund. Not a fan of partial refunds, but it's item not as described. Also note that he may want you to send the whole thing back if you aren't happy with what you got.

Neutral feedback, IMO.

So, are you buying the card or the mag...? Who the hell cares if it was shipped in a mag or top loader as long as it got to you in the condition described. Card arrived safe leave a positive and move on.

As far as not having a LCS near you, which I'm starting to hear this line a lot, buy some mags off eBay (you know, the place you bought the card from) as they're cheaper than a LCS would charge.

People seriously insist on making eBay as difficult as possible.

Yea, that would be pretty douchey if you left a neg or neutral.

The seller has 4 negatives in the past year, one of them being for the exact same issue. That would lead me closer to giving a negative. Mistakes happen, but he’s done it before and will keep doing it if he faces zero consequence.

[QUOTE=SanAntonioSpurs;13513959]So, are you buying the card or the mag...? Who the hell cares if it was shipped in a mag or top loader as long as it got to you in the condition described. Card arrived safe leave a positive and move on.

As far as not having a LCS near you, which I'm starting to hear this line a lot, buy some mags off eBay (you know, the place you bought the card from) as they're cheaper than a LCS would charge.

People seriously insist on making eBay as difficult as possible.[/QUOTE]

I'd wager I'm buying the listing as stated. Happy with the card, but that's why I wanted a second opinion. I can tell you're having a bad day, but thanks for your perspective either way.

[QUOTE=JCC;13513973]The seller has 4 negatives in the past year, one of them being for the exact same issue. That would lead me closer to giving a negative. Mistakes happen, but he’s done it before and will keep doing it if he faces zero consequence.[/QUOTE]

Right. I'm not trying to be one of those "nickel and dime" eBayers, but why specifically call out something if it's not included? Just really confused on the extra effort of taking it out of the mag, writing my username on the top-loader, and shipping that instead.

[QUOTE=theRLO;13513944]Seller did state that the case would be included, so you might be able to get a $2 refund out of them or get them to mail you a mag.... Ask him if he has mailed one out or plans on issuing a refund. Not a fan of partial refunds, but it's item not as described. Also note that he may want you to send the whole thing back if you aren't happy with what you got.

Neutral feedback, IMO.[/QUOTE]

I think neutral is the way I'm leaning. Love the card, but the experience is what I'm also reviewing here. 100% fine if they handled this with shipping one out or a couple bucks my way, but since the seller has been pretty shady on responses, just seems odd.

[QUOTE=cking;13513966]Yea, that would be pretty douchey if you left a neg or neutral.[/QUOTE]

Could you expand a bit? If something is called out in the listing description and not included, after me reaching out and giving plenty of time to respond, is that unreasonable? I guess it might be the context of the value of the mag vs the card, but for them to call out specifically it would be shipped in that and for it not to be, :confused:

[QUOTE=zschnackel;13514006]I think neutral is the way I'm leaning. Love the card, but the experience is what I'm also reviewing here. 100% fine if they handled this with shipping one out or a couple bucks my way, but since the seller has been pretty shady on responses, just seems odd.[/QUOTE]

You are everything thats wrong with ebay. You bought the card not the mag. To be honest he did you a favor not shipping it in a mag which are notorious for crushing the cards.

I personally wouldn't leave the neutral or the negative. I see where it says in the case pictured, but not sure that its a huge deal. If card made it ok then that is what you are evaluating. I guess I am not understanding where not getting the mag, made it a bad or so/so experience.

[QUOTE=zschnackel;13513989]Right. [B]I'm not trying to be one of those "nickel and dime" eBayers[/B], but why specifically call out something if it's not included? Just really confused on the extra effort of taking it out of the mag, writing my username on the top-loader, and shipping that instead.[/QUOTE]

Of course you are.

True, if the seller states it will come in the case pictured he should send it that way, but that shouldn't be a deal breaker or neg worthy.

Only way it would be neg worthy if it was a factory sealed mag that someone un-sealed and sent to save on shipping costs.

[QUOTE=Chris Lyle;13514056]I personally wouldn't leave the neutral or the negative. I see where it says in the case pictured, but not sure that its a huge deal. If card made it ok then that is what you are evaluating. I guess I am not understanding where not getting the mag, made it a bad or so/so experience.[/QUOTE]

Gotcha - thanks all for your opinions.

[QUOTE=nickha2;13514020]You are everything thats wrong with ebay. You bought the card not the mag. To be honest he did you a favor not shipping it in a mag which are notorious for crushing the cards.[/QUOTE]

Everything? Jeesh, really questioning what all that other positive feedback I have is for ;) I came at it from the perspective that I wouldn't do that to a buyer, especially if I specifically noted it.

I'll leave this thread as-is, appreciate everyone's opinions.

[quote=zschnackel;13514097]everything? Jeesh, really questioning what all that other positive feedback i have is for ;) i came at it from the perspective that i wouldn't do that to a buyer, especially if i specifically noted it.

I'll leave this thread as-is, appreciate everyone's opinions.[/quote]

its kindergarten--treat those as you would want to be treated. End of story-leave a neutral.

All these idiots talking about the card--that is not the point. Is this real life?

Its not a big thing, but if people are not called out--they become more pos

give em hell.....

Wow... Really?

So you were buying that card FOR THE CASE? lol wow

Blocked. Thank you :)!

[QUOTE=obadger;13514234]Blocked. Thank you :)![/QUOTE]

Good idea, Blocked!

Kevin

[QUOTE]All cards ship in case pictured along with a team bag.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=zschnackel;13513741]
When I received the card, it was in a top-loader. I sent the seller a message asking why it wasn't shipped in the mag, and [B]they responded saying they weren't sure how that happened.[/B]
[/QUOTE]

I don't understand why ppl are mad at OP.

While the above seems like it is too much headache for $2, I have several times before decided to put a bid in on a low-end card ($10 or less) because it was cheap and came in a mag case I could repurpose. Sure the card was part of the sale, but 20%+ was the case. So I see where OP is coming from.

Never ship in a mag, as a grader I hate people that use mags

If it were me, I'd leave a positive. If it's that big of a deal to you, either leave a positive or leave no feedback at all. I can't think of a time where I'd leave a neutral. A negative to me is a jerk seller who refuses to accept a return or sells me something that clearly was not as described. A missing magnetic case would maybe be annoying, but not to the point where I'd hit their feedback.

Also, I'd recommend not calling out people giving their two cents here. You came here with your story asking for feedback. Don't be mad when you get feedback you don't necessarily agree with.

Card pictured in mag but shipped in a toploader is no biggie. [B]BUT[/B] he advertised as shipping with the mag and if that helped to attract buyers (which in this case it appears it did) than seller has an obligation to ship with mag.

The fact that you messaged him about and no response, to me, warrants a neutral feedback at worst d/t poor communication.

Personally I would be satisfied with the transaction but you may very well feel differently.

[QUOTE=KevJo;13514262]Good idea, Blocked!

Kevin[/QUOTE]

Yep, makes it too easy

My second block of the day!

This is sad if you really want the $2 that bad shoot me your PayPal address and I'll gift it over to you to cover whoever the seller is.

Neutral to me. You contacted the seller, seller has had time to make it right. You got the card safe and sound, so to me negative isnt justifiable. They havent fixed the issue, so for you to move on I'd leave a neutral with the comments card arrived safe but not in mag case as advertised.

Oh my gosh man, please tell us this thread was just you pulling our legs. That is one of the most absurd things I have read. You seriously are going to leave neutral or worse negative feedback because the card wasn't shipped in a two dollar plastic case? No, I refuse to believe there are people out there so messed up. Good joke though, you had us all going

[QUOTE=majestik101;13514519]My second block of the day![/QUOTE]

Who was the first? Feel like I'm missing out

[QUOTE=Miguels;13514561]This is sad if you really want the $2 that bad shoot me your PayPal address and I'll gift it over to you to cover whoever the seller is.[/QUOTE]It's not about $. It's the principle. Seller promised to include A and B in the auction but OP received A only. Seller promised to fix it then disappeared.

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[QUOTE=wethenorth;13514650]It's not about $. It's the principle. Seller promised to include A and B in the auction but OP received A only. Seller promised to fix it then disappeared.

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What is the issue though honestly? He didn't ship in a mag? How does that make this transaction so/so or negative?

[QUOTE=wethenorth;13514339]I don't understand why ppl are mad at OP.[/QUOTE]

If you are asking for opinions then you are going to get both sides. Can't get mad when you ask for opinions

He likely did you a favor by not shipping it in the mag. Have seen many cards damaged from the mag coming open during shipping. If that had happened I bet you would be complaining about that..

Welcome to my BBL. As someone else mentioned you are everything wrong with Ebay. Before you go to the "look at my feedback crap" Buyers all have perfect feedback. They have not been able to be negged for nearly 10 years.

After looking at the negative/neutral feedback left by and received by the seller - I know who's going on my BBL. Hint - it's not the OP.

[QUOTE=Miss Lizzy;13514798]After looking at the negative/neutral feedback left by and received by the seller - I know who's going on my BBL. Hint - it's not the OP.[/QUOTE]

Both were added to mine.

[QUOTE=Chris Lyle;13514702]What is the issue though honestly? He didn't ship in a mag? How does that make this transaction so/so or negative?[/QUOTE]

seller should have fixed the issue. instead he ignored op's message

[QUOTE=wethenorth;13514836]seller should have fixed the issue. instead he ignored op's message[/QUOTE]

So a missing mag is an issue that warrants a neutral or negative experience? So give the seller 1 star for communication and move on

[QUOTE=Chris Lyle;13514841]So a missing mag is an issue that warrants a neutral or negative experience? So give the seller 1 star for communication and move on[/QUOTE]

missing mag + admitting the problem + ignoring op's request.

[QUOTE=wethenorth;13514836]seller should have fixed the issue. instead he ignored op's message[/QUOTE]

Maybe the message warranted ignoring, like clear feedback extortion or something like that.

[QUOTE=wethenorth;13514836]seller should have fixed the issue. instead he ignored op's message[/QUOTE]

Im sorry i guess in my opinion (which was asked for) its things like this that are ruining the hobby. When we are starting to get this picky about descriptions, returns for the dumbest reasons are at an all time high and so on. Whats next "my card wasn't shipped in the original top loader that was in the picture " maybe this is a little over the top but my point is where does it end.

[QUOTE=wethenorth;13514858]missing mag + admitting the problem + ignoring op's request.[/QUOTE]

Card arrived safe correct? Thats the point. You are buying the card.

The question that needs to be asked had the card been shown in a toploader would the OP had been willing to pay the SAME PRICE. I seriously doubt he counted for that mag when he purchased the item, in fact is he says he did I call BS. Card arrived in the condition he expected so there should be no issue. As has been mentioned shipping in mags is very risky.

[QUOTE=Chris Lyle;13514877]Card arrived safe correct? Thats the point. You are buying the card.[/QUOTE]

the description clearly stated that mag is included, so in this case op is buying the card + mag

Yeah you bought a $200 card and youre bitching about the $5 holder???

Wow. High maintenance.

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[QUOTE=SanAntonioSpurs;13513959]So, are you buying the card or the mag...? Who the hell cares if it was shipped in a mag or top loader as long as it got to you in the condition described. Card arrived safe leave a positive and move on.

As far as not having a LCS near you, which I'm starting to hear this line a lot, buy some mags off eBay (you know, the place you bought the card from) as they're cheaper than a LCS would charge.

People seriously insist on making eBay as difficult as possible.[/QUOTE]

Heaven forbid a buyer gets what was advertised that they paid for.

[QUOTE=wethenorth;13514910]the description clearly stated that mag is included, so in this case op is buying the card + mag[/QUOTE]

Yes the seller should have included it, but to complain about it when it was actually the smart way to ship is petty. At the end of the day it does not matter one bit.

Positive: Love the card, wish it had included advertised MAG.

He shoulda responded to the message though...that drives me nuts...just reply for crissakes its just good customer service. Maybe not negative worthy but wish it could be called out somewhere on eBay

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For me, just missing the mag is not worthy of a neu or neg feedback. It all depends on how the seller handles the situation. At the end of the day, the seller created this situation by saying he will include the mag in the description.

If I am OP, I would have contacted the seller and asked politely that his description said mag is included but it wasn't. The card did arrive safely. But if the card will not be shipped in a mag, may be the seller should change his description in the future. I wouldn't even ask for anything in return but will word it more of an advice to the seller.

Any good seller will at least apologize for the mistake. Some may offer a small refund. But a response of he didnt know how it happened or no response would have rubbed me to the wrong side. That's just not good customer service.

I don't know how the messages went, so I will refrain from advising on whether a neu or neg is warranted.

Either send the card back for a full refund or do nothing.

I think neutral is appropriate. Between not including the holder as stated in the auction, previous feedback for the same issue, then ignoring a message. The 3 combined definitely make neutral appropriate.

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[QUOTE=wethenorth;13514910]the description clearly stated that mag is included, so in this case op is buying the card + mag[/QUOTE]

Ok I will concede that in this instance you may have a point, but the card made it in good shape. Yes seller should have communicated i agree there but leave feedback that brings that to light in positive feedback by the way as someone else suggested and as someone else also pointed out send the seller a message giving them advice about their description and move on.

I wouldn't leave feedback. It is very douchey to say something is included with the sale but doesn't show up.

It's nothing to give a negative or neutral about, but can see where he would be coming from on the case not being in there when it CLEARLY states it'd be in the case in the scan.

I say leave positive and not deal with them again, I assume you were buying the card and not supplies.

[QUOTE=hche;13515095]For me, just missing the mag is not worthy of a neu or neg feedback. It all depends on how the seller handles the situation. At the end of the day, the seller created this situation by saying he will include the mag in the description.

If I am OP, I would have contacted the seller and asked politely that his description said mag is included but it wasn't. The card did arrive safely. But if the card will not be shipped in a mag, may be the seller should change his description in the future. I wouldn't even ask for anything in return but will word it more of an advice to the seller.

Any good seller will at least apologize for the mistake. Some may offer a small refund. But a response of he didnt know how it happened or no response would have rubbed me to the wrong side. That's just not good customer service.

I don't know how the messages went, so I will refrain from advising on whether a neu or neg is warranted.[/QUOTE]

You missed the point. As stated above this type of nit picky crap ruins the hobby.

So here’s a serious question - why do so many ppl need their hand held when leaving feedback? Is it really that hard to tell wheather you had a good or bad experience that you need to to ask what other ppl think?

Feedback is how you felt about the transaction - not other ppl.

Feedback is also pretty straight forward yet there’s so many threads like “was this neg worthy”? Feedback is rocket science.

[QUOTE=SanAntonioSpurs;13515706]So here’s a serious question - why do so many ppl need their hand held when leaving feedback? Is it really that hard to tell wheather you had a good or bad experience that you need to to ask what other ppl think?

Feedback is how you felt about the transaction - not other ppl.

Feedback is also pretty straight forward yet there’s so many threads like “was this neg worthy”? Feedback is rocket science.[/QUOTE]

If you have to ask then that tells me you are having doubts and just want a little attaboy added.

Another thing lets say this thread is never made and the OP leaves the seller a neg. 2 months from now the OP makes an offer on an item, the seller looks at their feedback they have left sees this. Many will cancel and block without a second thought. I know I would. I have added more to my BBL from the Ask seller a question link or the Make Offer link than any other method.

The feedback a buyer leaves is more important than the feedback they get.

Its pretty simple. Do what you say you are going to do. If you put it comes in that case, send in that case. I very rarely see people put that it will be shipped how pictured so he wants you to think its coming that way for whatever reason. Shouldn't matter on a $200 card about a $3 mag but dont even mention it in the listing if you are not going to do it. The OP isn't what's wrong with the hobby its people going back on their word, in this case the mag in the listing.

[QUOTE=SanAntonioSpurs;13515684]You missed the point. As stated above this type of nit picky crap ruins the hobby.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever bought a lot and had a card missing?

[QUOTE=shrevecity;13514940]

Positive: Love the card, wish it had included advertised MAG.[/QUOTE]

This seems like a pretty fair compromise. Maybe ding a star or two for poor communication.

[QUOTE=SanAntonioSpurs;13515706]So here’s a serious question - why do so many ppl need their hand held when leaving feedback? Is it really that hard to tell wheather you had a good or bad experience that you need to to ask what other ppl think?

Feedback is how you felt about the transaction - not other ppl.

Feedback is also pretty straight forward yet there’s so many threads like “was this neg worthy”? Feedback is rocket science.[/QUOTE]Right but most people have a conscience and sometimes want a sounding board for another opinion before they blast someone. Especially if that seller has 100% positive. Not all negatives are created equal. This guys bitching about $3 and getting ignored, others get ripped off entirely.

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cupcake added to my bbl.

[QUOTE=deansayso;13515440]I wouldn't leave feedback. It is very douchey to say something is included with the sale but doesn't show up.[/QUOTE]Someone sold me a phone on eBay. The description says that the original box and accessories are included. I received nothing but the phone. No box no case no cables. I shouldn't be upset cuz the phone has no crack and I can get cheap cases and cables from dollarshop?

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Do I get the windshield wipers with the car when I buy it?

[QUOTE=wethenorth;13516416]Someone sold me a phone on eBay. The description says that the original box and accessories are included. I received nothing but the phone. No box no case no cables. I shouldn't be upset cuz the phone has no crack and I can get cheap cases and cables from dollarshop?

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You are comparing apples and oranges. In your example you were buying the phone with needed accessories so that you didn't have to bother with getting them etc. In this case the mag was not needed to keep the card or sell the card. The card is still a $200 undamaged card without the mag. not the same situation.

[QUOTE=cking;13516108]This seems like a pretty fair compromise. Maybe ding a star or two for poor communication.[/QUOTE]

I am with this, but apparently that isn't enough.

[QUOTE=Knucklesf05;13515893]Its pretty simple. Do what you say you are going to do. If you put it comes in that case, send in that case. I very rarely see people put that it will be shipped how pictured so he wants you to think its coming that way for whatever reason. Shouldn't matter on a $200 card about a $3 mag but dont even mention it in the listing if you are not going to do it. The OP isn't what's wrong with the hobby its people going back on their word, in this case the mag in the listing.[/QUOTE]

While I agree that the seller should have never put that it would in the exact case in picture in his description and technically he backed out on his word, but I still say this kind of nit picky stuff is what is going wrong with this hobby.

[QUOTE=Boo;13516426]Do I get the windshield wipers with the car when I buy it?[/QUOTE]

Wipers are only 20 bucks on a 20,000 dollar car. You're lucky if they come with

[QUOTE=deansayso;13516502]Wipers are only 20 bucks on a 20,000 dollar car. You're lucky if they come with[/QUOTE]

But they were in the picture and the papers said they were included

[QUOTE=Chris Lyle;13516455]You are comparing apples and oranges. In your example you were buying the phone with needed accessories so that you didn't have to bother with getting them etc. In this case the mag was not needed to keep the card or sell the card. The card is still a $200 undamaged card without the mag. not the same situation.[/QUOTE]

so youre saying it would be ok if i have an extra adapter? i would have no problem charging the phone so i shouldn't be upset about it?

[QUOTE=Boo;13516506]But they were in the picture and the papers said they were included[/QUOTE]

What's your pp I'll gift you the 20 dollars for the wipers

[QUOTE=wethenorth;13516544]so youre saying it would be ok if i have an extra adapter? i would have no problem charging the phone so i shouldn't be upset about it?[/QUOTE]

No. I didn't say that anywhere. What I said was is that your example isn't the same situation. The mag missing in this case is not the same as your example. I get what you are trying to do is trap me into changing my opinion. I am not going to I have said that the seller should have never put the mag would be included in the description, but in my opinion that missing did not change the card or the deal so no neg or neutral feedback and move along.

[QUOTE=Chris Lyle;13516573]No. I didn't say that anywhere. What I said was is that your example isn't the same situation. The mag missing in this case is not the same as your example. I get what you are trying to do is trap me into changing my opinion. I am not going to I have said that the seller should have never put the mag would be included in the description, but in my opinion that missing did not change the card or the deal so no neg or neutral feedback and move along.[/QUOTE]

trap you? what will i get in return? a $20 pp gift? haha

[QUOTE=wethenorth;13516642]trap you? what will i get in return? a $20 pp gift? haha[/QUOTE]

Lol... What I was saying is you were throwing a lot of "what if's" into your scenario to "trap" me into saying that your example and this are the same. Which in my opinion they aren't the same.

This mindset is what is wrong with the discussions. I don't understand why, as a society, we are terrified of someone else's thought or idea being correct or better.

I'm not reading the discussions to feel better about my opinion, I want to learn, grow and expand my mind by seeing and understanding the perspectives of others.

[QUOTE=Chris Lyle;13516573]I get what you are trying to do is trap me into changing my opinion.[/QUOTE]



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