Bowman Draft....why so good?

[brentandbecca]

As many of you know as much as I bust, I never have busted Bow Chr or Draft before...
Why? I can't see myself pulling the trigger with so few sets per case, and 10 autos...whenever I have busted Topps Chrome I normally don't win...
I realize people sell in player lots, but take this year for example...
Since the $ is in the chrome lots...
There are 55 chromes?
but at only 22 or so per box (due to parallels), you may get 3-4 cards of each player in 1 case...how do this lots sell?
can it yield $700/case (thinking fees here)

so many questions, and i still can not find myself taking the plunge...
any help would be nice

[BAMBAM]

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/s...=9786#post9786

Relax Brent, nothing much has changed since you started a thread on this in October. You sound like a nervous father waiting for his first child to be born.

[Wai]

It is more difficult/time consuming to make money with Bowman Draft compared to Bowman Chrome because Bowman Draft has nonchrome cards and chrome cards. There are many more cards to sort through per box.

There are actually 55 of the RC nonchrome and chrome cards
and 65 of the draft picks nonchrome and chrome cards.

Player lots, refractor parallels of the 65 draft picks chrome and autographed prospects/refractor parallels is where the money is.

The facts are you would need to bust multiple cases (about 5 cases) to get 10 count player chrome lots.

After ebay and paypal fees, it is difficult for the average person to yield $700 per case unless you were lucky and you pulled one of the better/in demand prospect autograph parallels or draft pick chrome parallels and you sold ASAP.

People that have an excellent ebay reputation and resources to buy, bust and sort 50 plus cases in a short time such as Mr.Mem make a killing because they are able to sell ASAP, their average ebay listings sell for higher prices, they sell 20 card player lots (nonchrome and chrome), they trade to complete and sell more sets and they will pull some of the rare draft picks parallels, autograph parallels: gold, orange, red refractors, superfractors.

The best way for the average person to make money is to wait and sell factory sealed cases in X number of months or years depending on the performance of the prospects.

Bottom line, Bowman draft is normally not a good product to bust unless you have the resources/time to bust and sort through multiple cases and sell ASAP. There will be plenty of competition/thousands of ebay listings a few days after release.

[we6374]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

As many of you know as much as I bust, I never have busted Bow Chr or Draft before...
Why? I can't see myself pulling the trigger with so few sets per case, and 10 autos...whenever I have busted Topps Chrome I normally don't win...
I realize people sell in player lots, but take this year for example...
Since the $ is in the chrome lots...
There are 55 chromes?
but at only 22 or so per box (due to parallels), you may get 3-4 cards of each player in 1 case...how do this lots sell?
can it yield $700/case (thinking fees here)

so many questions, and i still can not find myself taking the plunge...
any help would be nice

I'm not as experienced as most of you, and lack the finances to bust half as many cases. I have busted 2 cases of Chrome, and the first one I did really well. The second one is partially listed as I got some cards graded and am waiting to get them back from Beckett. I bought these at $850 and $900, so I don't see how you couldn't make money on these even with a week checklist. People go nuts over the different refractors. Like you said Brent, I only have one complete base set though of the Chrome.....that I'm keeping

[brentandbecca]

bambam you are right! i don't like losing on products...this is about draft and not chrome, chrome is different, every card is chrome so you can bust 10 cases and make many 10-ct lots, here it's not easy, especially with 110chromes at only 1 per pack! ouch

so, yes i would like as much info as possible, but don't see how this can be a huge winner unless big autos or big parallel autos are hit

[Tim]

Originally Posted by BAMBAM

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/s...=9786#post9786

Relax Brent, nothing much has changed since you started a thread on this in October. You sound like a nervous father waiting for his first child to be born.

LOL -- that was funny!

[brentandbecca]

okay, i don't need any more answers, research done, and i am passing on 10 cases... good luck to those ripping, i have 5 products within those 2 weeks to rip already so will be busy enough

[BAMBAM]

What 5 are you doing Brent ? Any high end football ???

[death2redemptions]

There Are Three Reasons To Purchase Bowman Chrome/BDP: The Autos, Parallels & Putting Together 10-25 Card Lots Of The 'Top Prospects'.

1st Reason (Autos):This Years Auto Checklist Is Incredibly Weak. Yes, Bowman Chrome/BDP Almost Always Will Add Players To The Auto Checklist At The Last Moment Which Usually Boosts The Overall Value Of The Product, However It Has Been Confirmed That The Most Sought After Draft Picks Will Not Be Included In The Auto Checklist. The First & Second Overall Draft Picks? No Not Here. David Price, Mike Moustakas, Matt LaPorta, Jarrod Parker...Nope. I Don't Recommend Purchasing This Years BDP.

Second Reason (Parallels): Considering The Top DP's Will Be Included, This Boosts The Base Draft Pick Checklist. Still, I Would Much Rather Hope For A David Price Auto Serial #d To 500 Or Less Than A Base Card. This Year You Might Get Lucky & Pull 2 Draft Pick Refractor Parallels Per Box But More Than Likely Just Some Base Or Prospect Refractors. Previous Years The Odds To Bust Out Refractor Parallels Were Much Better.

3rd Reason (Putting Together 10-25 Card Lots Of Top 'Chrome' Draft Picks/Prospect Players): This Is How You Profit From Bowman Products But You Gotta Have The Money To Lay Down For 10-15 Cases. With A Weak Auto Checklist & Current Sinking Bowman Value On The Market, This Is Your Best Chance To Make Any Profit This Year.

In The Past (2002-2005) There Was An Incintive To Pick Up 15 Cases Or More. I Did & Profited More Than 300%. Last Year I Barely Broke Even. This Years Bowman Chrome I Didn't Even Break Even. Notice The Decline? I See No Reason Why This Trend Would Change With This Years BDP.

A Couple Years Ago I Saw More Than Just A Reason To Buy The Product In Bulk...This Year I'll Take A Big Gamble With 'One' Case But No More Than That. This Year My Money Is On Topps '52

I Could Be Wrong...THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION!

[rainmanesq]

I have made $ on bc/bcdp each and every year- in fact, it is 1 of THE biggest $ makers for me case wise- if not THE biggest. If you get in at the right cost, you can consistently make $ w/bowman chrome and draft. How? 10-20 ct lots for starters. Anything less and you may have issues as prospectors want to buy BULK rc lots- though 5 ct lots do ok. Parallels galore- refractors, xfractors, gold refractors, supers, orange, blue, printing plates, etc. 1 auto/box. You can list sets but chrome is not driven as much by sets as say heritage. Prospects galore- chrome is and always will be king. Yes, there is sterling and elite and tristar (and just and USA), but what consistently holds values/gets top $? Chrome/bcdp.

CAVEAT- You face HEAVY competition w/other case breakers and there are about 5-10 guys who have busted/listed chrome for years. Why should or would someone buy from a ‘new’ (to chrome) seller v. sellers who are known to NOT grade?

Other ways to make $ on chrome/draft outside of the obvious (e.g., hit a big auto/parallel)-

Prospect and hold the cards a bit- this requires doing your own research and not everyone wants to do that and not everyone can do that well

List AFTER the initial rush dies down- there is a sweet spot that occurs every single year w/bc and bcdp- list during this time and you are often 1 of just a few- much less crowded field yet pent up demand= $$$$. This sweet spot occurs several times- you just have to know how and when to find it.

Be the first to grade/list the hot guys

These are just a few ways to make $ on chrome/bcdp. There are plenty of others, but it sounds like you’re not interested in busting the product, so I’ll bust away and keep loving chrome for all of us

Those who say ‘chrome is different from bcdp’ do not know the prospect market very well imho. Chrome/bcdp- the best product to zig when others zag.

[DadofTwins]

Rain- That is what I am going to try and do for some of my 2 Cases... I was going to get set up so as I am ripping I am going to be putting the autos and maybe some of the top rookies in Cardsavers and shipping them off to Beckett the next day...

Never done it before but the though has me intruiged because I will not be the first one with the product in my hands

[brentandbecca]

i dont think people are saying they are different, in regards to chr/draft, i am not, but content is very different, one is all chrome cards, the other is mixture with heavy emphasis on reg bowman cards...
i know the lots of players sell well, i have seen them, but in 10 cases only having about 20 of each chrome card and most of them not being the draft pick ones, could pose a little problem

all in all, i know it's a good product, i would never bash anything i no little about or that people say is a big $ maker, but for me, i have made $ on last 9 products this year, and the heritage, reg. topps, and other topps lines are great, so i am sure this is too
i've just never tried it...want to but not at same time as 52 rookies, topps heroes, tristar, elite extra, etc etc...
perhaps next year

BUT there are only 3-5 products a year i make 150-200% on, and if someone makes 300% on this as mentioned earlier, then I am not the wiser, even with 24 years experience now...i'd love to see profit reports from this year if anyone is willing to share real numbers

good luck to all breaking and selling

[rainmanesq]

I hear you b- stick to what you know over time. I also think this year is particularly crowded w/releases and some tough choices had to be made. I was not that impressed w/topps 52 last year, but pondered it this year. However, other obligations meant I could not rip that. there are plenty of ways to make $ in this business- some buy singles and flip, others buy singles, hold and/or grade them, others buy cases and rip/list them in 2 seconds, etc. some (like me) do a combo that seems to work well based on past history.

I love to prospect- and have the patience/skill to do so, so bc/bcdp have worked well for me as have certain other products. I like the cost point of BC/BCDP, so that is also why I bust. I do not think there is 1 right way- some people bust high end stuff like cup, exquisite, etc. and make $, some people bust for reasons other than ‘must make X% profit’, some people bust a bunch of low end stuff and make small profits that are comfortable for them risk wise.

As for profit reports, if I can find a quick/easy way to do it, I will gladly reveal mine. My issue is that I do not flip all of my bc/bcdp cards right away- many are sent to grading, many are held for prospecting purposes (or to be listed later), many are traded, etc., so I cannot necessarily say ‘oooh, I made $X in 2 days of ripping.’ If you want to get an idea of other sellers’ profits, follow mr.mem, ricewins, jkeen01, and yycxchange- those guys generally rip/list all right away.

[brentandbecca]

yes, mr. mem and i have been talking more lately and i will get with him, i too stayed away from 52 rookies last year, but this year looks too good with the players, and people did well last year, plus its more up my alley

i wanted to do bdp this year but with tristar, heroes, and 52 rooks all getting pushed back weeks i can not now, unless they move 1 or more of those next week, maybe they'll move bdp???

[go_steelers07]

Brent..... Heroes doesn't release until January now.

[rainmanesq]

Bdp is 12/12- final release date as far as I know. Heroes has been pushed back and I would think topps would rather push back 52 instead of bdp again. If topps pushes back bdp, they have to compete w/donruss elite and sterling- not sure topps wants to do that. mr.mem is one of the best chrome sellers out there- no cherry picking, fast delivery, etc. i'm puzzled by some of the other products he busts, but i guess if you get in low enough cost wise and don't mind relisting a few times, it can be profitable.

[thekramers5]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

i'd love to see profit reports from this year if anyone is willing to share real numbers

B&B...

I think that's the biggest problem, you don't get the real numbers all the time. For some reason, people don't want to share their terrible breaks. There are a few people willing to share their miserable breaks, but not too many.

I call it "Vegas lying"...I know too many people who frequent Vegas and they always seem to come back "ahead". Yeah, right.

[rainmanesq]

While I’m sure some people may omit their bad breaks or engage in Vegas lying (not really sure what the point is), for others, it is difficult to tell what their profit on bc/bcdp is right away. others, like mrmem, generally don't list case breaks on the board...when you're busting 40-100 cases like he does, you probably don't have a ton of time to do a live break. I used to do live breaks of bc/bcdp, but frankly, ripping, sorting, listing, and shipping consumes enough of my time and typing 'pack 1, card 2' a zillion times just doesn't thrill me the way it used to. Heck, I don't even scan cards into my photobucket any more or engage in 'show your prospect stashes' posts. Guess old age has decreased the excitement of message boards for me.

Some sellers (like me) do not list all of your BC/BCDP cards right away- instead holding some to prospect, holding some to grade, trading some, picking some up from other sellers who just want to unload in bulk, etc., so you cannot necessarily say ‘ooh, I made 300% in 1 wk on my 5 cases of bcdp.’ Other times, sellers list the contents of their cases in phases- ex., I recently busted 3 06 BCDP cases, but I have retained all bulk RC lots (most will be listed soon), several of the sets, and nearly all parallels. Someone may look @ my 06 bcdp listings on ebay (most of which are NOT from my recent 3 case break) and think ‘man, that person didn't make 300%’…however, looking @ ebay doesn’t show the 2 cardenas blue ref autos I pulled, the orange Cardenas ref auto, the cardenas ref auto, the snider blue and xfractor, the longoria auto, the Kershaw autos, etc. Add in the fact that I often BUY bc/bcdp lots WHEN the products release, it can become somewhat muddled to whip out a profit report and say 'yeah, i made 500% off my cases' to say the least. There’s also the fact that some people may start w/say 5 cases, but eventually end up busting say 25 cases. Add in the fact that some sellers unload their cards at card shows (often while picking up other cards/bulk rc lots) and it's not exactly easy to develop a profit report in 2 seconds.

If someone’s really curious to see profit reports ASAP, I’d ask mrmem, ricewins, jkeen01 (not sure if he’s ripping this year), ballgame05, and several of the other ‘bust and list right away’ sellers. Better yet, goofbay and other sites provide that info (though they’re not entirely accurate) for those that want to take the time to sift through 1000s of listings.

[DadofTwins]

Rain- a little off topic, I was looking at a 2006 draft case- just to rip- Does anyone know if there are there still enough big pulls left in this product to make it worthwhile-

2007 Bowman Chrome has had the Lincecum, Joba, FMart and most of the big supers pulled so I thought it would be smart to pick up an 2006 Draft case but I am not sure there are any of the "Big Hits" left

[Wai]

Someone made a 2006 Bowman Draft Superfractor/Red Refractor tracker website
that has not been updated in a long while:
http://www.thertga.com/Cards/2006Bow...ndraft1of1.php
Hope this helps.

As far as I know, the Longoria and Kershaw Superfractors have not been pulled yet.

[DadofTwins]

Wai- thanks I hadn't seen that page in awhile- I think there are still a few bigs ones left to pull and I am very suprised that it doesnt appear that many have been pulled yet.

maybe Ill get the case this 2006 BowmaN Draft case this weekend

[zammos1]

I realize that the more cases the better in order to sell 10 ct Chrome lots. However, is it even feasible to bust 1 case and sell all the cards in lots by player?

By my math a single case should produce 7-9 cards of each prospect and draft pick and 12-15 of each rookie when you combine the base, chrome, and gold. Would a lot of 4 base, 2 chrome, and 1 gold of a lower tier draft pick even sell for 99 cents or would I basically be wasting my time.

[CaptainBOHICA]

zammos - i've thought about that as well, but i got the impression that the only lots that sell WELL are the CHROME lots.. so prospectors can pick them up for grading, etc.

im building up my 06 bcdp chrome lots right now and have only sorted the chrome lots... i will probably throw in the non-chrome into the lots as well, but to me, chrome is the key for the lots.

[scottiff]

Guys everyone wants the chrome lots. They will buy the base at half or less per card and the gold never sells well for a one per pack card. Plus you just increase your odds on the colored refracters and autos and that is where the gravy is. The one patch or whatever per case this year #d to 99 or 75 should be a beautiful value boost over those single colored swatches.

[tdkjlk]

Anyone willing to share experience on whether 20 card lots raise the per card rate over 10 card lots for Chrome? Thanks