How low will low-end Kobe Bryant autos get??

eastbayak · 10-04-2022, 10:03 AM

Vote accordingly!

eastbayak · 10-04-2022, 10:06 AM

No specific timeframe, just curious what you think the bottom (whenever that is, now or many years from now) will be.

AbraCalabro · 10-04-2022, 10:14 AM

There's no way to tell, ever, in a mostly unregulated market. I say "mostly" unregulated because there are people with a ton of money who can regulate it to their favor, but other than that no regulation.

If the economy is poor, then card prices will plummet, with the effect being the BEST thing for the hobby, death of the market = growth of the hobby.

The other side of that is perception, you just need to convince enough people with enough money and then it magically becomes reality. Speaking lies into existence and dollar signs, status quo since 2010.

Kobe autos are not rare either. MJ autos are not rare either, but you see the perception on the latter's autos is different.

kingofsnake · 10-04-2022, 10:26 AM

For a decent on-card Kobe auto, I think a reasonable floor is $1,000. Kobe was arguably the most popular player for a whole generation of NBA fans.

I also don't agree with the assumption that Kobe autos are super abundant. Yes, he signed many different cards during his time with Panini but very rarely were they numbered to 50 or more.

threefromthetee · 10-04-2022, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

There's no way to tell, ever, in a mostly unregulated market. I say "mostly" unregulated because there are people with a ton of money who can regulate it to their favor, but other than that no regulation.

If the economy is poor, then card prices will plummet, with the effect being the BEST thing for the hobby, death of the market = growth of the hobby.

The other side of that is perception, you just need to convince enough people with enough money and then it magically becomes reality. Speaking lies into existence and dollar signs, status quo since 2010.

Kobe autos are not rare either. MJ autos are not rare either, but you see the perception on the latter's autos is different.

Kobe signed exponentially more autos than MJ. You can say "MJ autos are not rare either," but the reason a Kobe goes for far less than MJ is because he signed a TON. It's far easier to find a Kobe Lakers auto for cheap than it is to find a Jordan Bulls auto.

Arianny_Fan · 10-04-2022, 11:22 AM

All I remember is guys complaining how over saturated Panini sticker autos were. The were selling all day everyday for $100 before his tragedy and the investor/pandemic boom. I don't think his panini autos will ever drop below $500 on a regular basis. Topps and UD will never drop and only rise.

kobemagee29 · 10-04-2022, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by threefromthetee

Kobe signed exponentially more autos than MJ. You can say "MJ autos are not rare either," but the reason a Kobe goes for far less than MJ is because he signed a TON. It's far easier to find a Kobe Lakers auto for cheap than it is to find a Jordan Bulls auto.

This only happened when Kobe signed with Panini. When he was with Upper Deck, his autos were mainly SP's.

Ericc5Bears · 10-04-2022, 11:34 AM

As someone who follows the market closely, floor prices really haven't changed all that much over the last 18 months. The floor on even the lowest-end panini sticker auto seems to be about $900 with a few $850ish sales sprinkled in. Even at the absolute peak of the market last winter I think the floor was around $1100-$1200. So you're looking at roughly a 20% drop. In that same time frame, the Kobe index has dropped over 60% on card ladder.

eastbayak · 10-04-2022, 11:59 AM

Let's get some more votes!

threefromthetee · 10-04-2022, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kobemagee29

This only happened when Kobe signed with Panini. When he was with Upper Deck, his autos were mainly SP's.

Can't disagree there. Panini killed the value of his autos.

Archangel1775 · 10-04-2022, 12:18 PM

I voted less than $199. I'm trying to lower the value so that I can buy every single one at that price.

AbraCalabro · 10-04-2022, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by threefromthetee

Kobe signed exponentially more autos than MJ. You can say "MJ autos are not rare either," but the reason a Kobe goes for far less than MJ is because he signed a TON. It's far easier to find a Kobe Lakers auto for cheap than it is to find a Jordan Bulls auto.

MJ is to UD what Kobe was to Panini

that's the reality, MJ is one of the most common autos out there

eastbayak · 10-04-2022, 02:28 PM

Small sample size but the majority of voters (thus far) agree that low-end Kobe auto prices will continue to decline.

Need more votes though!

rainmaker · 10-04-2022, 03:47 PM

If you are in the market for one there is no need to buy now that’s for sure. Sit and watch things play out. Test the bottom. My guess we see another 20%-40% drop from this point. Not just for kobe but really all cards. Next fall/winter will be a good time to evaluate and see if everything has bottomed out. 2023 is going to be a bloodbath.

RAV2773 · 10-04-2022, 04:41 PM

I think the panini sticker ones settle in at about $500 when its all said and done.

imbluestreak23 · 10-04-2022, 04:53 PM

I voted $0

razorsharp · 10-04-2022, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kingofsnake

For a decent on-card Kobe auto, I think a reasonable floor is $1,000. Kobe was arguably the most popular player for a whole generation of NBA fans.

I also don't agree with the assumption that Kobe autos are super abundant. Yes, he signed many different cards during his time with Panini but very rarely were they numbered to 50 or more.

They are very abundant.

He probably has more nba licensed auto's than MJ and LeBron combined.

kingofsnake · 10-04-2022, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by razorsharp

They are very abundant.

He probably has more nba licensed auto's than MJ and LeBron combined.

I agree that Kobe probably has more NBA licensed autos than MJ and Kobe combined. He also has more than Wilt Chamberlain and Ed Macauley combined. What does that have to do with anything though?

bmf · 10-04-2022, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

MJ is to UD what Kobe was to Panini

that's the reality, MJ is one of the most common autos out there

Nailed it ^^^. A lot of supply for both and a lot of demand for both.

MavsRChamps · 10-04-2022, 06:30 PM

The way the poll is set up of course people will side with them losing in value. Literally all the choices besides 1 reflect the belief of a market downturn, lol. The “bottom” is also different than the median price say in the next 5 years. The “bottom” could be a few hundred less than currently but the “top” in the next 3 years could be double. It’s not rational to judge a card price from its minimum point if we’re talking values here. I’d be shocked if the average sale in a few years is not higher than what it is currently. Saying that of course there will be outlier sales below, and if the card market does go lower prices may too. Long term I think on card Kobe autos will continue to go up overall. No player since Jordan has as many DIE HARD fans, not even Lebron. I’d even argue there’s more Kobe die hard fans than Jordan because if his magnetic personality compared to MJ. In other words more people “like” MJ as fans but I think more “love” Kobe.

razorsharp · 10-04-2022, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bmf

Nailed it ^^^. A lot of supply for both and a lot of demand for both.

If you count Wizards and College MJ auto's sure.

MJ does not have as many Bulls auto's as you would think. They were always SP'd.

ninjacookies · 10-05-2022, 01:06 AM

Iconic Ink ACEO market pressure is insurmountable.

threefromthetee · 10-05-2022, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

MJ is to UD what Kobe was to Panini

that's the reality, MJ is one of the most common autos out there

This is laughable, but keep living in your delusional world where Jordan is a “common auto.”

eastbayak · 10-05-2022, 10:27 AM

How low can they go?
Can they go down low?
All the way to the floor?
How low can they go?

Let's get some more votes!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Iconic Ink ACEO market pressure is insurmountable.

Hahaha!

AbraCalabro · 10-05-2022, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by threefromthetee

This is laughable, but keep living in your delusional world where Jordan is a “common auto.”

It's true, you don't have to accept it.

View Poll Results: How low will low-end Kobe Bryant autos get?
$0-$199	16	12.50%
$200-$399	30	23.44%
$400-$599	27	21.09%
$600-$799	24	18.75%
$800-$999	16	12.50%
>=$1000	15	11.72%
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10-04-2022, 10:03 AM	#1
eastbayak Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 16,386 eastbayak	How low will low-end Kobe Bryant autos get?? Vote accordingly!

10-04-2022, 10:14 AM	#3
AbraCalabro Temporarily Suspended Join Date: May 2013 Location: Believe in Saint Abra. Posts: 10,748	There's no way to tell, ever, in a mostly unregulated market. I say "mostly" unregulated because there are people with a ton of money who can regulate it to their favor, but other than that no regulation. If the economy is poor, then card prices will plummet, with the effect being the BEST thing for the hobby, death of the market = growth of the hobby. The other side of that is perception, you just need to convince enough people with enough money and then it magically becomes reality. Speaking lies into existence and dollar signs, status quo since 2010. Kobe autos are not rare either. MJ autos are not rare either, but you see the perception on the latter's autos is different. __________________ -FREE TRISTAN- LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - A master class in corruption. NEVER FORGET: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1255123

10-04-2022, 10:26 AM	#4
kingofsnake Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Napa Valley Posts: 4,518	For a decent on-card Kobe auto, I think a reasonable floor is $1,000. Kobe was arguably the most popular player for a whole generation of NBA fans. I also don't agree with the assumption that Kobe autos are super abundant. Yes, he signed many different cards during his time with Panini but very rarely were they numbered to 50 or more. __________________ I collect Joe Johnson - 2,819 different cards, 526 1/1's. www.ilocust.com/hobby.htm

10-04-2022, 11:22 AM	#6
Arianny_Fan Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: On a rock in the middle of the sea. Posts: 3,576 basketballfiend	All I remember is guys complaining how over saturated Panini sticker autos were. The were selling all day everyday for $100 before his tragedy and the investor/pandemic boom. I don't think his panini autos will ever drop below $500 on a regular basis. Topps and UD will never drop and only rise. __________________ IG: @basketballfiendcards @ariannycelestecards Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/139631202@N06/albums

10-04-2022, 10:06 AM	#2
eastbayak Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 16,386 eastbayak	No specific timeframe, just curious what you think the bottom (whenever that is, now or many years from now) will be.

10-04-2022, 11:34 AM	#8
Ericc5Bears Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 1,267	As someone who follows the market closely, floor prices really haven't changed all that much over the last 18 months. The floor on even the lowest-end panini sticker auto seems to be about $900 with a few $850ish sales sprinkled in. Even at the absolute peak of the market last winter I think the floor was around $1100-$1200. So you're looking at roughly a 20% drop. In that same time frame, the Kobe index has dropped over 60% on card ladder.

10-04-2022, 11:59 AM	#9
eastbayak Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 16,386 eastbayak	Let's get some more votes!

10-04-2022, 12:18 PM	#11
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,877	I voted less than $199. I'm trying to lower the value so that I can buy every single one at that price. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

10-04-2022, 02:28 PM	#13
eastbayak Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 16,386 eastbayak	Small sample size but the majority of voters (thus far) agree that low-end Kobe auto prices will continue to decline. Need more votes though!

10-04-2022, 03:47 PM	#14
rainmaker Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 2,825 thewescoast	If you are in the market for one there is no need to buy now that’s for sure. Sit and watch things play out. Test the bottom. My guess we see another 20%-40% drop from this point. Not just for kobe but really all cards. Next fall/winter will be a good time to evaluate and see if everything has bottomed out. 2023 is going to be a bloodbath. __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/152850287@N08/albums

10-04-2022, 04:41 PM	#15
RAV2773 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 4,837 baseballking973	I think the panini sticker ones settle in at about $500 when its all said and done.

10-04-2022, 04:53 PM	#16
imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,788 shortslabs	I voted $0 __________________ @shortslabs I'VE WITNESSED HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE HERE...IT'S ROTTEN https://www.youtube.com/c/TylerShort

10-04-2022, 06:30 PM	#20
MavsRChamps Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,030 purple3252	The way the poll is set up of course people will side with them losing in value. Literally all the choices besides 1 reflect the belief of a market downturn, lol. The “bottom” is also different than the median price say in the next 5 years. The “bottom” could be a few hundred less than currently but the “top” in the next 3 years could be double. It’s not rational to judge a card price from its minimum point if we’re talking values here. I’d be shocked if the average sale in a few years is not higher than what it is currently. Saying that of course there will be outlier sales below, and if the card market does go lower prices may too. Long term I think on card Kobe autos will continue to go up overall. No player since Jordan has as many DIE HARD fans, not even Lebron. I’d even argue there’s more Kobe die hard fans than Jordan because if his magnetic personality compared to MJ. In other words more people “like” MJ as fans but I think more “love” Kobe. Last edited by MavsRChamps; 10-04-2022 at 06:34 PM.

10-05-2022, 01:06 AM	#22
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,014	Iconic Ink ACEO market pressure is insurmountable. __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.