First Class Mail to Take Extra Day Under Postal Service Plan

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• USPS plans formal announcement Tuesday of 10-year plan
• Postmaster Louis DeJoy has attracted criticism from Democrats

The U.S. Postal Service will announce plans to add a day to its standards for First Class mail delivery, and to reduce Post Office hours, as it seeks to deal with declining mail volume, financial deficits and slow delivery, a person briefed on the agency’s plan said.

The service plans a formal announcement Tuesday of a 10-year plan devised under Postmaster General Louis DeJoy. The person who described the plan did so on condition of anonymity because it hasn’t been made public.

The service now says it delivers First Class mail in 1-to-3 days.

David Partenheimer, a Postal Service spokesman, declined to comment.

DeJoy last month told lawmakers some mail could be delayed under his plan to revitalize the service. “Only about 30% of First Class Mail would be impacted with any additional delays,” DeJoy said at a hearing.

DeJoy told the congressional panel that the Postal Service is on a “dire financial trajectory” with declining mail volume and other problems.

Mail delivery has remained sluggish since slowing down last year after DeJoy cut overtime and extra trips by delivery trucks in an effort to rein in costs. DeJoy, a donor to former President Donald Trump, was appointed by a Republican-majority board last year.

Some Democratic members of Congress have called for replacing DeJoy. Last month White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki didn’t directly answer when asked if President Joe Biden has confidence in DeJoy.

Biden can’t directly fire DeJoy, whose employment is decided by the independent agency’s board. Biden has nominated three new board members who would break Republican control of the body.

[jamcas997]

It really doesnt matter what party controls USPS as long as bad behavior by lazy employees is allowed the service will continue to suffer.

I can remember EBAY in the late 90s you sold an item. Had to wait 5 to 7 days for payment. Then cash MO. Then go and mail item out and another 5 to 7 days buyer got the card. So pre paypal days shipping could be a 5 to 14 day turn around to get.

[quackhead]

Amazon should take over USPS.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Amazon should take over USPS.

No they should not that idea is the most ignorant idea out there do you honestly think they could serve rural America and keep the rates as low as they actually are? Amazon would jack the USPS rates through the roof especially for rural America.

What Congress needs to do is stop forcing the USPS to pay so much into their retirment system. They are paying for the retirement of employees that are not even born yet.

I see no propblem with delievery times increasing by 1 day on average or cutting back hours the Post Offices are open if it keeps them as efficient as they actually are.

[jamcas997]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

No they should not that idea is the most ignorant idea out there do you honestly think they could serve rural America and keep the rates as low as they actually are? Amazon would jack the USPS rates through the roof especially for rural America.

What Congress needs to do is stop forcing the USPS to pay so much into their retirment system. They are paying for the retirement of employees that are not even born yet.

I see no propblem with delievery times increasing by 1 day on average or cutting back hours the Post Offices are open if it keeps them as efficient as they actually are.

People who were not even born back in the early days of EBAY 24 years ago have no clue what it used to be like to wait for payment , check to clear and then get delivery of items. This need for instant gratification and entitlement needs to end.

[JMH710]

The extra day is not the problem in my book. Cutting back the post office hours is another story. My local post office is open M-F 9:30-12:30 and 1:30-5:00, Sat 9:30-12:00. These are not notably generous opening hours.

[PurplesaurusRex]

They need to get rid of that clown that's running the USPS. Time for new leadership.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by jamcas997

People who were not even born back in the early days of EBAY 24 years ago have no clue what it used to be like to wait for payment , check to clear and then get delivery of items. This need for instant gratification and entitlement needs to end.

Go back to days before Ebay when it was common to have to wait 4 to 6 months for items you order through the mail to arrive.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Ha, I remember ordering stuff online pre-2000. Super sketchy.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

No they should not that idea is the most ignorant idea out there do you honestly think they could serve rural America and keep the rates as low as they actually are? Amazon would jack the USPS rates through the roof especially for rural America.

What Congress needs to do is stop forcing the USPS to pay so much into their retirment system. They are paying for the retirement of employees that are not even born yet.

I see no propblem with delievery times increasing by 1 day on average or cutting back hours the Post Offices are open if it keeps them as efficient as they actually are.

How do you know this? Yes, I think they could serve rural areas. If they are using electric vehicles for delivery where would the increase come from?

[jamcas997]

Originally Posted by quackhead

How do you know this? Yes, I think they could serve rural areas. If they are using electric vehicles for delivery where would the increase come from?

I have only used Amazon twice in over 10 years . I really do not like the company and hope it gets broke up by the Supreme Court like Ma Bell!

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by quackhead

How do you know this? Yes, I think they could serve rural areas. If they are using electric vehicles for delivery where would the increase come from?

Just the labor cost involved would jack those rates open. There are some routes in veery rural areas like to my parents house would take a person 4 or 5 hours to do (after an hours drive there and back) and services only about 20 people.. There are routes the USPS currently uses that take carriers 7 to 8 hours to complete and only service a dozen or less people.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by jamcas997

I have only used Amazon twice in over 10 years . I really do not like the company and hope it gets broke up by the Supreme Court like Ma Bell!

I agree Amazon is trash. Look at how they treat their sellers they make Ebay look like saints.

[jamcas997]

In all honesty I only see mail here on Mon, Weds, Fri , and Sat. I am happy getting mail 3 days out of the week. I would however like to keep USPS open the 6 days like they are now. I am not one that requires the instant gratification of my items delivered now , but I do need them open for drop off at the counter.

A future feature that would be nice would be a self drop off with a scan for our prepaid labels so we could bypass counter and the line. Im sure they could make it happen where item is scanned in and it keeps the integrity of the item actually going into the chute scanned giving a receipt.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Just the labor cost involved would jack those rates open. There are some routes in veery rural areas like to my parents house would take a person 4 or 5 hours to do (after an hours drive there and back) and services only about 20 people.. There are routes the USPS currently uses that take carriers 7 to 8 hours to complete and only service a dozen or less people.

I think Amazon has the financial power to pay for people to cover those areas, without any sort of increase.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by quackhead

I think Amazon has the financial power to pay for people to cover those areas, without any sort of increase.

Maybe biut they won't. No company would do so. If it were not got the federal laws in place the USPS would not even deliever to them. They have tried in the past to get away from it. Anyone who thinks Amazon would not jack the rates up is completely out of touch with realitiy.

This is the company that scoops its sellers they want invoices from seller in some categories not to verify them but to try to make backdoor deals themselves. This has been proven and they are being sued for it. They also will screw over sellers faster than any other company out there any chance they get.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Maybe biut they won't. No company would do so. If it were not got the federal laws in place the USPS would not even deliever to them. They have tried in the past to get away from it. Anyone who thinks Amazon would not jack the rates up is completely out of touch with realitiy.

This is the company that scoops its sellers they want invoices from seller in some categories not to verify them but to try to make backdoor deals themselves. This has been proven and they are being sued for it. They also will screw over sellers faster than any other company out there any chance they get.

What does selling on Amazon have to do with delivering the mail? USPS doesn't have corruption?

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by quackhead

What does selling on Amazon have to do with delivering the mail? USPS doesn't have corruption?

Has a lot. They would have a sudden conflict of interest. I guess you think amazon would not prioritize items shipped from Amazon. If you don't you are a moron. And yes they could tell just by the tracking numbers when scanned. They sell and then have control over their own shipping as well as the shipping of ebay. Mercari and others common sense tells you how that would work. They treat their sellers like crap so why would they treat buyers and sellers on different platforms differently?

Why do you think amazon would do it and not raise prices significant ly. To think they would not is plain ignorant. They have even said they could not do so without major changes that congress would not allow. And since Congress would not allow the USPS to be taken without some controls and regulations to remain in place no company will ever take it. Do you think any company is goijng to take over a company where they are required to pay into a retirments system 40 years in advance?

Do you think a private company is going to want to continue to deliver mail to rural areas that can cover 300 plus miles in a day and only have 10 to 12 stops? And be required to check those stops for outgoing mail 5 to 6 days a week?

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Has a lot. They would have a sudden conflict of interest. I guess you think amazon would not prioritize items shipped from Amazon. If you don't you are a moron. And yes they could tell just by the tracking numbers when scanned. They sell and then have control over their own shipping as well as the shipping of ebay. Mercari and others common sense tells you how that would work. They treat their sellers like crap so why would they treat buyers and sellers on different platforms differently?

Why do you think amazon would do it and not raise prices significant ly. To think they would not is plain ignorant. They have even said they could not do so without major changes that congress would not allow. And since Congress would not allow the USPS to be taken without some controls and regulations to remain in place no company will ever take it. Do you think any company is goijng to take over a company where they are required to pay into a retirments system 40 years in advance?

Do you think a private company is going to want to continue to deliver mail to rural areas that can cover 300 plus miles in a day and only have 10 to 12 stops? And be required to check those stops for outgoing mail 5 to 6 days a week?

Yes I think a private company like Amazon can do it. Call me whatever you want, just because you say they will "significantly" increase prices, doesn't make it true.

Rural areas 300 miles away are few and far between, so those would not be a problem.

[shrevecity]

Those routes are not as uncommon as you think.
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[jamcas997]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Those routes are not as uncommon as you think.
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I am originally from Iowa and the military took me to the West and East Coast where I retired from the Navy almost 8 years ago. In the last week I have received 3 orders under standard mailer from 3 different buyers in small rural towns in Iowa with populations of less than 2000 people and more than 100 miles from cities like Des Moines and Cedar Rapids. I could not see a cost effective way for Amazon to get these people their items they purchase from me at the rate they are getting now.

Also being from Iowa I like to know where I am sending my packages to to see if I have been there or not.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by jamcas997

I am originally from Iowa and the military took me to the West and East Coast where I retired from the Navy almost 8 years ago. In the last week I have received 3 orders under standard mailer from 3 different buyers in small rural towns in Iowa with populations of less than 2000 people and more than 100 miles from cities like Des Moines and Cedar Rapids. I could not see a cost effective way for Amazon to get these people their items they purchase from me at the rate they are getting now.

Also being from Iowa I like to know where I am sending my packages to to see if I have been there or not.

Look at West Texas. You got counties that are bigger than some states. Look at Alaska where mail has to be flown in. There are scenarios like that in most of the midwest and rocky mountain states.

There is simply no way they can maintain those routes without significantly raising rates and follow congressional rules.

Brewster county Texas is 3 times the size of Delaware and has a population of less than 10000 people. Its over 6000 square miles just getting mail to the county is likely a loss most of the time.

[quackhead]

Amazon and USPS are already business partners. 2019, USPS generated $1.6 billion from Amazon deliveries. Will be interesting to see what 2020 generated. Its just a matter of time.

[chezball]

Anyone that thinks someone else can do a better job is not living in reality.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Amazon and USPS are already business partners. 2019, USPS generated $1.6 billion from Amazon deliveries. Will be interesting to see what 2020 generated. Its just a matter of time.

Keep on believing that. Amazon is NEVER going to let Congress tell them how and what they have to do for one thing. The postal service is controlled by many Federal laws that will not be easy to change. Like how much they charge, what they have to pay into their retirement system, what days they operate and such. Until all that changes NO PRIVATE COMPANY will take control of that.

Amazon is already under a lot of Federal scrutiny for many of their business dealings they do not want them having more control.