I think Saquon is currently the best back in the game.

[ninjacookies]

I know, it's early. And on paper, he is far from it.

But I've watched all but one of his games and this kid has it all.

His cutback ability and spin moves make a first tackle attempt almost impossible. He can also bowl over defenders and has top end breakaway speed.

His receiving ability is off the charts as well.

I can't even compare him to many other backs, with possibly the exception of David Johnson. But his agility and moves for his size put him in another category, imo.

And he's doing this behind arguably the worst O line in football. It's just a shame majority of his early career will most likely be wasted in that situation.

[hatcher]

I agree! I see a lot of Barry Sanders moves that haven’t seen in years from this kid.

[LCM1223]

I think coming in to the season he was already touted as such wasn’t he?

[NoleinJax]

Todd Gurley would like a word.

[goodole13]

Todd Gurley says, "hi."

[Siberian13]

HOF already for sure

[factoryofsadnes]

Dang can i get some of what you are smoking.....

[asujbl]

And Manning still sucks

Barkley is legit

Passing on Darnold or Rosen was such a colossal mistake

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by NoleinJax

Todd Gurley would like a word.

I like Gurley. He is an absolute monster.

However, I'm looking at this from a straight up skillset standpoint and the eye test.

I believe Saquon is much more elusive than Gurley in his ability to create something out of nothing. While still maintaining the same strength and top end speed.

Receiving is a wash.

Let's not forget Gurley's huge sophomore slump. It's amazing what a revamped offensive repertoire can do for a running back's abilities.

Like the poster above stated, some of the stuff I've seen Saquon do almost evokes Barry nostalgia.

[The Accountant]

1. Gurley
2. Kamara
3. Gordon
4. Barkley

And I’m a penn stater.


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[The Accountant]

Potential to be the top back. Quite the athlete


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[ninjacookies]

Again, I'm not speaking of sheer numbers.

Take a look at some of the tape. Consider the systems.

Compare and contrast. I'm willing to listen.

[aaron2]

Leveon Bell would like a word starting week 8

[LCM1223]

He’ll put up 150 this week on Philly so he’ll have that going for him

[jpaul4631]

id definitely have to throw melvin and kamara in the conversation. you could probably even make the argument that kareem hunt looked better during his first 5 games last season to start his career than saquan. just imagine what saquan could do behind a quality line

[asujbl]

Barkley still did what Barkley did in college...

15 for 3.2 (crap)

4 catches for 81

He’s a big play or nothing... which is fine... but it hasn’t changed since Penn State

Return the opening kick again Ohio State and then become invisible

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Barkley still did what Barkley did in college...

15 for 3.2 (crap)

4 catches for 81

He’s a big play or nothing... which is fine... but it hasn’t changed since Penn State

Return the opening kick again Ohio State and then become invisible

Quite the cherry pick.

He's actually at 4.6ypc on the year even after today's game, and put up 106 on 18 against that vaunted Jags D. Hasn't had a single game with over 20 rushes because the Giants are always trailing so he isn't able to gain any type of rhythm.

Along with 5 offensive scores in 5 games. That's not too bad for a rookie. Especially a rookie in that dysfunctional system.

There's a good reason why the Giants haven't had a single memorable RB since tiki.

[MFaulkCollector]

Skill sets are just that...... something that can’t be quantified in a game. Stats are production. To be the best you have to be able to make an argument for that on paper. Barkley at this time cannot make that argument. Maybe in a year or two that changes, maybe it doesn’t

But the greats at all positions find a way to represent themselves statistically as such in one aspect or another

[Boo]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Quite the cherry pick.

He's actually at 4.6ypc on the year even after today's game, and put up 106 on 18 against that vaunted Jags D. Hasn't had a single game with over 20 rushes because the Giants are always trailing so he isn't able to gain any type of rhythm.

Along with 5 offensive scores in 5 games. That's not too bad for a rookie. Especially a rookie in that dysfunctional system.

There's a good reason why the Giants haven't had a single memorable RB since tiki.

If you watched him at PSU, what he posted was correct. One big play and average the rest of the game.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by jpaul4631

id definitely have to throw melvin and kamara in the conversation. you could probably even make the argument that kareem hunt looked better during his first 5 games last season to start his career than saquan. just imagine what saquan could do behind a quality line

Melvin is a workhorse. Respect the hell out of him. And Kamara is a machine. Hunt as well.

Agree about Saquon behind a quality line. Or even on a team with a respectable offense.

I've stood up for Eli for awhile, but it's clear he's overextended his stay. They need to rebuild at the QB position and pick up some lineman and change the culture.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Quite the cherry pick.

He's actually at 4.6ypc on the year even after today's game, and put up 106 on 18 against that vaunted Jags D. Hasn't had a single game with over 20 rushes because the Giants are always trailing so he isn't able to gain any type of rhythm.

Along with 5 offensive scores in 5 games. That's not too bad for a rookie. Especially a rookie in that dysfunctional system.

There's a good reason why the Giants haven't had a single memorable RB since tiki.

Those were the stats today

But sure

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

Skill sets are just that...... something that can’t be quantified in a game. Stats are production. To be the best you have to be able to make an argument for that on paper. Barkley at this time cannot make that argument. Maybe in a year or two that changes, maybe it doesn’t

But the greats at all positions find a way to represent themselves statistically as such in one aspect or another

Gurley has 79 attempts compared to saquon's 56. A LOT has to do with the offensive systems and game situations. The Rams are a well oiled machine with a million ways to beat you. Thus Gurley gets a lot more opportunities with the ball that many other backs do not. Not taking anything away from him as he's the clear numbers winner, but I think there are factors you have to weigh in.

Kamara and Saquon are virtually locked in terms of rushing numbers, but are we going to argue that Eli is on the same level as Brees at this point in their careers? The Saints O-line also made Ingram look fairly good for a stretch before he derailed himself.

If we're going by sheer numbers, then are we to argue that a guy like Bettis or Gore are better rb's than Jim Brown?

Barry was the epitome of a boom or bust back. He'd lose 6 yards in an offensive sequence then bust out for 20 on a 3rd down. Not by his own choosing. But because he had such wonderful names like Erik Kramer under center that the defenses respected a whole lot.

[LCM1223]

Originally Posted by Boo

If you watched him at PSU, what he posted was correct. One big play and average the rest of the game.

Maybe because teams had to throw the house at him to slow him down

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Gurley has 79 attempts compared to saquon's 56. A LOT has to do with the offensive systems and game situations. The Rams are a well oiled machine with a million ways to beat you. Thus Gurley gets a lot more opportunities with the ball that many other backs do not. Not taking anything away from him as he's the clear numbers winner, but I think there are factors you have to weigh in.

Kamara and Saquon are virtually locked in terms of rushing numbers, but are we going to argue that Eli is on the same level as Brees at this point in their careers? The Saints O-line also made Ingram look fairly good for a stretch before he derailed himself.

If we're going by sheer numbers, then are we to argue that a guy like Bettis or Gore are better rb's than Jim Brown?

Barry was the epitome of a boom or bust back. He'd lose 6 yards in an offensive sequence then bust out for 20 on a 3rd down. Not by his own choosing. But because he had such wonderful names like Erik Kramer under center that the defenses respected a whole lot.

Sounds like genital envy...

[Boo]

Originally Posted by LCM1223

Maybe because teams had to throw the house at him to slow him down

PSU fan^^^^

And to respond, you're right, I don't think defenses try to slow down other RBs.