Sending Completed Sales information during negotiation

Metsfan1121 · 01-20-2017, 03:12 PM

With cards being so dynamic in pricing and values being difficult to estimate, I've found that offers from buyers and prices from sellers are frequently far apart. As both a buyer and seller, I've seen people in these scenarios include links to completed listings to validate their offer/price as a fair one. Do you guys see this as unnecessary, smart, or rude?

Bob Loblaw · 01-20-2017, 03:16 PM

What's negation?

Does it have to do with Negan?

Dude can have whatever he wants, he's badass.

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I use values as a point of reference. If seller is trying to sell me a card for $100 and the last three sales are $30-40, then clearly there's an issue.
Most people don't like being told that they're wrong and hate seeing evidence to prove up same.

chilly55 · 01-20-2017, 03:17 PM

Well, many don't include the "other" listings. Some sellers will show you a listing or two with the 2 highest sale prices and not give you links to the other 10 sales that were 40% lower. The opposite for buyers. They'll show you the 2 lowest sales and not show you the higher sales hoing to grab something cheap.

Do you homework obviously. For me, people that send me links make me suspicious.

Bill

TarjetasBéisbol · 01-20-2017, 03:17 PM

It's going to happen, especially since the information is available. If that information wasn't provided would you end up asking them where they got their values? Is that something rude to ask?

JohnRyno · 01-20-2017, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

What's negation?

Does it have to do with Negan?

Dude can have whatever he wants, he's badass.

----

I use values as a point of reference. If seller is trying to sell me a card for $100 and the last three sales are $30-40, then clearly there's an issue.
Most people don't like being told that they're wrong and hate seeing evidence to prove up same.

Peties Army · 01-20-2017, 03:55 PM

I love the

"I'll offer 20 for your card dlvd. Last 2 sales were 22 and 21. " but they don't mention the 3.99 in shipping cost

Hollywood42 · 01-20-2017, 04:06 PM

Depends on the extent. If the seller has a card you really want but seems set on asking $500, but completed auctions consistently end at $300, sending those links is fine if you do so in a polite way. If you do the same thing but in an obnoxious or condescending way, or you're trying to get $5 or less knocked off the price, it sends a completely different message. So for me, it really depends on how the message is sent and with what tone

VandyCards · 01-20-2017, 05:05 PM

I send links to completed listings. But I tend to be in the market for cards that are a little off the beaten path and don't sell too often.

Corky · 01-20-2017, 05:09 PM

As a seller when I set a price, for higher end cards anyway, I look at completed auctions as well as current. As a buyer I look for completed sales to get a price estimate but I have never included links to completed sales. I think this can be helpful but it may piss of the seller and leave me high and dry and out of a card I want.

Prenticles · 01-20-2017, 05:13 PM

If it is a high price ($300 completed, $800 actual) then OK.

But for stuff under $50, than no.

I agree that there is some bias (highest for sellers, lowest for buyers), but in general it seems aggressive.

And yes, people don't like when they are wrong BUT tell me someone who is happy when that happens

ThoseBackPages · 01-20-2017, 05:36 PM

i like to sell cards for what im asking for them, and buy them for what i'd like to pay

tkraft24 · 01-20-2017, 05:43 PM

I operate under the assumption that my ability to look up card values on e-bay isn't extraordinary or super-human so I don't feel compelled to showcase my skills.

We all have access to the same information. Sometimes a simple "Thanks for the offer but no thanks" is best.

gamboooler · 01-20-2017, 06:03 PM

It's insulting. Everyone has access to completed sales. When people bring it up, I usually just ignore it. Not sure I've ever completed a deal once someone has said "last one sold for..." Right up there with asking "what's the lowest you'll take for it."

centereacan06 · 01-20-2017, 06:05 PM

I find it pretty rude, especially if it's a rare card that has had few sales.

I had a Refractor /15 for sale for $20 that I bought for $13 delivered I believe... only sale for months and none else available. Got a PM offering $13 and I declined (respectfully). They then sent me a link to the sale I bought. To me, that ruined any chance of me selling that card to them. It also kind of gives off the impression that I'm not capable of looking it up myself.

At times I just feel like responding "well then why didn't you bid on that one?" but just bite my tounge.

However, if the card is severely priced higher than multiple comps, I understand referencing recent sales.

houstonrules51 · 01-20-2017, 06:18 PM

I agree with those who are somewhat perturbed when people do this (for I, too can use ebay and watchcount) but I really hate when people auction off cards that they shouldn't and then buyers want to use that to get a lower price from me. Sorry bud, just because someone was stupid enough to auction a card that shouldn't have been (I have been the stupid guy before) shouldn't set the market.

nayrnalon · 01-20-2017, 06:24 PM

If talks drag on, as a buyer, I'll reference a range of sales to compile an average value in reference to the card in question. I would never just send the lowest price and pretend the others don't exist. I think this can be helpful for a card that has never sold before (/25 or less) as it enables each party to view averages of various other parallels of that card as well as provide an easy way to compare to a similar player who has a sale of said version of the card.

As a seller, I only provide sales info as a reality check if we are way off and the "buyer" won't let it go.

centereacan06 · 01-20-2017, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by houstonrules51

I agree with those who are somewhat perturbed when people do this (for I, too can use ebay and watchcount) but I really hate when people auction off cards that they shouldn't and then buyers want to use that to get a lower price from me. Sorry bud, just because someone was stupid enough to auction a card that shouldn't have been (I have been the stupid guy before) shouldn't set the market.

My sentiments exactly. I love finding auctions for nice cards, especially in the offseason. I've resold tons via BIN for what they're really worth.

itradeerrors · 01-20-2017, 07:30 PM

I hate it when people send me prices of completed listings. If they wanted that price they should have bought it from that seller. I have never finished a deal when someone tried that lame tactic. It is like when someone asks what is the lowest price you will accept. If I even respond it is with what is the most you will pay.

HadWayTooMuch · 01-20-2017, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by itradeerrors

I hate it when people send me prices of completed listings. If they wanted that price they should have bought it from that seller. I have never finished a deal when someone tried that lame tactic. It is like when someone asks what is the lowest price you will accept. If I even respond it is with what is the most you will pay.

I agree with you in theory. but I have some listings that I have been re-listing literally for years. Sometimes the prices are out of date. If this is the case, I do not have an issue with someone respectfully pointing out that the going price of Card X is $10 and I'm asking $25. Would I consider a lower price?

What I do have a problem with is either the person being a toolbox when they ask/demand or when it's a low numbered card. If it's numbered to 50 or less, you should have bought from the other guy. Especially when it's 25 or lower. They don't often come up so you're going to quote me from a completed auction 2 months ago? Really? There's a reason it's been 2 months since the last one sold!

It's a problem because using this philosophy, no card could ever go up in value.

And of course we know the buyer finds the cheapest one period the end and ignores the 10 others that sold for 25% more! It just so happened to be an auction with a lousy name that started at a penny and ended at 3:30am on a Wednesday morning.

I love ebay!

Screamer · 01-20-2017, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by houstonrules51

I agree with those who are somewhat perturbed when people do this (for I, too can use ebay and watchcount) but I really hate when people auction off cards that they shouldn't and then buyers want to use that to get a lower price from me. Sorry bud, just because someone was stupid enough to auction a card that shouldn't have been (I have been the stupid guy before) shouldn't set the market.

Agree 100%

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Originally Posted by centereacan06

My sentiments exactly. I love finding auctions for nice cards, especially in the offseason. I've resold tons via BIN for what they're really worth.

Same here; sheeple are stupid

Quote:

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I agree with you in theory. but I have some listings that I have been re-listing literally for years. Sometimes the prices are out of date. If this is the case, I do not have an issue with someone respectfully pointing out that the going price of Card X is $10 and I'm asking $25. Would I consider a lower price?

What I do have a problem with is either the person being a toolbox when they ask/demand or when it's a low numbered card. If it's numbered to 50 or less, you should have bought from the other guy. Especially when it's 25 or lower. They don't often come up so you're going to quote me from a completed auction 2 months ago? Really? There's a reason it's been 2 months since the last one sold!

It's a problem because using this philosophy, no card could ever go up in value.

And of course we know the buyer finds the cheapest one period the end and ignores the 10 others that sold for 25% more! It just so happened to be an auction with a lousy name that started at a penny and ended at 3:30am on a Wednesday morning.

I love ebay!

Before all the sites that let you set up last second bids, that used to be the best way to find great deals all the time

mouschi · 01-21-2017, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metsfan1121

Do you guys see this as unnecessary, smart, or rude?

It can be any of these, depending upon delivery and situation. Unnecessary for mega rare cards, smart if there is a lot of data, but rude if you say it wrong "Yo, knucklehead!? Why you askin' tree fiddy fo a card that's been sold 30 times at ninety?"

HillbillyCletus · 01-21-2017, 12:12 AM

I view them as fairly unnecessary. My price is my price. It's kind of like "thanks for the info", but my price is my price regardless.

Halbert · 01-21-2017, 08:17 AM

Think depends on the person. If anything I learned in this hobby, it's that people can be extremely sensitive at times. One person it won't bother, next person it will bother. Hard to say what is exactly the right approach to take everytime.

ssbledsoe · 01-21-2017, 09:15 AM

As a seller, I don't care what something HAS sold for. My price is my price. If you want to buy one at that price, be my guest...

IronMonkey415 · 01-21-2017, 11:24 AM

"Take your "this is what it was last sold on ebay" message and shove it up your ass"

I've been telling people that for the last month and half as an experiment to see how I am being treated.

So far it has 100% backfired, and no one wants to buy anything from me.

View Poll Results: Sending links to completed sales is...
A good idea for both sides	23	31.94%
A good idea for buyers	1	1.39%
A good idea for sellers	1	1.39%
A waste of time, makes no difference	15	20.83%
Rude / actually hurts you in negation	32	44.44%
Voters: 72. You may not vote on this poll

01-20-2017, 03:12 PM	#1
Metsfan1121 Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: long island Posts: 5,317 metsfan1121	Sending Completed Sales information during negotiation With cards being so dynamic in pricing and values being difficult to estimate, I've found that offers from buyers and prices from sellers are frequently far apart. As both a buyer and seller, I've seen people in these scenarios include links to completed listings to validate their offer/price as a fair one. Do you guys see this as unnecessary, smart, or rude?

01-20-2017, 03:17 PM	#4
TarjetasBéisbol Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NOVA Posts: 10,894	It's going to happen, especially since the information is available. If that information wasn't provided would you end up asking them where they got their values? Is that something rude to ask? __________________ De oppresso liber - RLTW "The Mexicans taught me that trick", "Let me be very clear, crystal clear"

01-20-2017, 03:55 PM	#6
Peties Army Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: St. Louis Posts: 19,480 buddywilshire2003	I love the "I'll offer 20 for your card dlvd. Last 2 sales were 22 and 21. " but they don't mention the 3.99 in shipping cost __________________ Comment of the day “How many bees are killed by mowing?”- Boo

01-20-2017, 04:06 PM	#7
Hollywood42 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Minnesota Posts: 39,503 Hollywood42	Depends on the extent. If the seller has a card you really want but seems set on asking $500, but completed auctions consistently end at $300, sending those links is fine if you do so in a polite way. If you do the same thing but in an obnoxious or condescending way, or you're trying to get $5 or less knocked off the price, it sends a completely different message. So for me, it really depends on how the message is sent and with what tone __________________ Collecting the Twins All my PC wants/haves available at hollywood42cards.com

01-20-2017, 03:16 PM	#2
Bob Loblaw Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Spring Training Paradise, FL Posts: 13,050	What's negation? Does it have to do with Negan? Dude can have whatever he wants, he's badass. ---- I use values as a point of reference. If seller is trying to sell me a card for $100 and the last three sales are $30-40, then clearly there's an issue. Most people don't like being told that they're wrong and hate seeing evidence to prove up same.

01-20-2017, 03:17 PM	#3
chilly55 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Dumfries, Va Posts: 3,548	Well, many don't include the "other" listings. Some sellers will show you a listing or two with the 2 highest sale prices and not give you links to the other 10 sales that were 40% lower. The opposite for buyers. They'll show you the 2 lowest sales and not show you the higher sales hoing to grab something cheap. Do you homework obviously. For me, people that send me links make me suspicious. Bill

01-20-2017, 05:05 PM	#8
VandyCards Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 5,411	I send links to completed listings. But I tend to be in the market for cards that are a little off the beaten path and don't sell too often. __________________ I collect cards of former Vanderbilt baseball players. CURRENTLY SEEKING ANY AND ALL SERIAL NUMBERERD/SP TONY KEMP TOPPS CARDS.

01-20-2017, 05:09 PM	#9
Corky Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Arizona (Hometown: Seattle) Posts: 1,487 jumper48 corky	As a seller when I set a price, for higher end cards anyway, I look at completed auctions as well as current. As a buyer I look for completed sales to get a price estimate but I have never included links to completed sales. I think this can be helpful but it may piss of the seller and leave me high and dry and out of a card I want. __________________ I am a player collector focusing mainly on Ken Griffey Jr. but I also collect Jay Buhner, Edgar Martinez, Ryan Bader. and University of Arizona http://real-corky.deviantart.com/gallery/

01-20-2017, 05:13 PM	#10
Prenticles Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Somewhere where you can get free shipping to the Continental US Posts: 1,513	If it is a high price ($300 completed, $800 actual) then OK. But for stuff under $50, than no. I agree that there is some bias (highest for sellers, lowest for buyers), but in general it seems aggressive. And yes, people don't like when they are wrong BUT tell me someone who is happy when that happens

01-20-2017, 05:36 PM	#11
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,329 ThoseBackPages	i like to sell cards for what im asking for them, and buy them for what i'd like to pay __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

01-20-2017, 05:43 PM	#12
tkraft24 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 7,038 tkinctown tkraft24	I operate under the assumption that my ability to look up card values on e-bay isn't extraordinary or super-human so I don't feel compelled to showcase my skills. We all have access to the same information. Sometimes a simple "Thanks for the offer but no thanks" is best. __________________ PC: Cleveland Indians AU, GU, and Refractors Refractor Wants: https://shinycardboard.weebly.com/

01-20-2017, 06:03 PM	#13
gamboooler Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 8,063 gamboooler gamboooler	It's insulting. Everyone has access to completed sales. When people bring it up, I usually just ignore it. Not sure I've ever completed a deal once someone has said "last one sold for..." Right up there with asking "what's the lowest you'll take for it."

01-20-2017, 06:05 PM	#14
centereacan06 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Long Island Posts: 19,502 centereacan06 centereacan06	I find it pretty rude, especially if it's a rare card that has had few sales. I had a Refractor /15 for sale for $20 that I bought for $13 delivered I believe... only sale for months and none else available. Got a PM offering $13 and I declined (respectfully). They then sent me a link to the sale I bought. To me, that ruined any chance of me selling that card to them. It also kind of gives off the impression that I'm not capable of looking it up myself. At times I just feel like responding "well then why didn't you bid on that one?" but just bite my tounge. However, if the card is severely priced higher than multiple comps, I understand referencing recent sales. Last edited by centereacan06; 01-20-2017 at 06:10 PM.

01-20-2017, 06:18 PM	#15
houstonrules51 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,556 houst-ji	I agree with those who are somewhat perturbed when people do this (for I, too can use ebay and watchcount) but I really hate when people auction off cards that they shouldn't and then buyers want to use that to get a lower price from me. Sorry bud, just because someone was stupid enough to auction a card that shouldn't have been (I have been the stupid guy before) shouldn't set the market. __________________ DODGERS ALL THE WAY!!! Looking to Buy 15 Bowman Jordan Luplow Red/Orange/Gold Autos!

01-20-2017, 06:24 PM	#16
nayrnalon Banned - PBM Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 335	If talks drag on, as a buyer, I'll reference a range of sales to compile an average value in reference to the card in question. I would never just send the lowest price and pretend the others don't exist. I think this can be helpful for a card that has never sold before (/25 or less) as it enables each party to view averages of various other parallels of that card as well as provide an easy way to compare to a similar player who has a sale of said version of the card. As a seller, I only provide sales info as a reality check if we are way off and the "buyer" won't let it go.

01-20-2017, 07:30 PM	#18
itradeerrors Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: South Dakota Posts: 770	I hate it when people send me prices of completed listings. If they wanted that price they should have bought it from that seller. I have never finished a deal when someone tried that lame tactic. It is like when someone asks what is the lowest price you will accept. If I even respond it is with what is the most you will pay.

01-21-2017, 12:12 AM	#22
HillbillyCletus Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 506	I view them as fairly unnecessary. My price is my price. It's kind of like "thanks for the info", but my price is my price regardless.

01-21-2017, 08:17 AM	#23
Halbert Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 5,695 Halbert424	Think depends on the person. If anything I learned in this hobby, it's that people can be extremely sensitive at times. One person it won't bother, next person it will bother. Hard to say what is exactly the right approach to take everytime. __________________ Who wants that honey?

01-21-2017, 09:15 AM	#24
ssbledsoe Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: At least 500 feet from DB11 Posts: 28,722 ssbledsoe ssbledsoe	As a seller, I don't care what something HAS sold for. My price is my price. If you want to buy one at that price, be my guest... __________________ Drew Bledsoe is a better QB than Patrick Mahomes

01-21-2017, 11:24 AM	#25
IronMonkey415 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,118 ironmonkeyfromsf	"Take your "this is what it was last sold on ebay" message and shove it up your ass" I've been telling people that for the last month and half as an experiment to see how I am being treated. So far it has 100% backfired, and no one wants to buy anything from me.