Topps 582 Montgomery Club - Page 973

mfw13 · 10-20-2021, 12:16 PM

It's hilarious watching people go gaga over a product that few collectors, if any, will actually want.

You can probably count the number of soccer fans who know who Steve Aoki is (I don't) and care that he designed a set on one hand.

Note that there isn't even a thread about this product on the soccer boards.....

eastbayak · 10-20-2021, 12:16 PM

Bought my 2 Aoki UEFA boxes (easy decision).

Bought 15 Mantle X boxes (harder decision, not as high on the product but wanted to have a little position in it in case I underestimated it).

eastbayak · 10-20-2021, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

It's hilarious watching people go gaga over a product that few collectors, if any, will actually want.

You can probably count the number of soccer fans who know who Steve Aoki is (I don't) and care that he designed a set on one hand.

Note that there isn't even a thread about this product on the soccer boards.....

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1489760

Chris P · 10-20-2021, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

It's hilarious watching people go gaga over a product that few collectors, if any, will actually want.

You can probably count the number of soccer fans who know who Steve Aoki is (I don't) and care that he designed a set on one hand.

Note that there isn't even a thread about this product on the soccer boards.....

There's a thread about this on the soccer boards

badkarma318 · 10-20-2021, 12:19 PM

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hotcalsun · 10-20-2021, 12:21 PM

In for 40.

Tonic3 · 10-20-2021, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Accountant

Haha I didn't know that was my reputation... I bought 100. After thinking about it, there are about 125-140K packs which means it will only take 1250-1400 orders of 100 to sell out.

Said differently, since parallels/autos are 1 in 5 its safe to assume a box would have been considered 5 packs, so only 25k-28k boxes printed.

I'm stopped at 100, but it's not as overprinted as it initially sounded.

It seems pretty overprinted to me based on my calculations. There's 125,250 packs which means the base cards will have a print run over 12,000. If you open 100 packs ($1000 worth) you've only got a 7.26% chance of hitting an auto. I can't imagine the 20 #'d parallels are going to cover the cost, but maybe I'm missing the appeal.

Chris P · 10-20-2021, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

It's hilarious watching people go gaga over a product that few collectors, if any, will actually want.

You can probably count the number of soccer fans who know who Steve Aoki is (I don't) and care that he designed a set on one hand.

Note that there isn't even a thread about this product on the soccer boards.....

Also its another variation of chrome..I don't think collector's care about Aoki's name being attached to it..it's more another limited edition chrome offering

The Accountant · 10-20-2021, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tonic3

It seems pretty overprinted to me based on my calculations. There's 125,250 packs which means the base cards will have a print run over 12,000. If you open 100 packs ($1000 worth) you've only got a 7.26% chance at hitting an auto. I can't imagine the 20 #'d parallels are going to cover the cost, but maybe I'm missing the appeal.

Honestly, very fair. Could go either way on it depending how you feel.

I think if you aren’t buying any, I wouldn’t get FOMO as we have a ton of releasing coming soon.

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mfw13 · 10-20-2021, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris P

There's a thread about this on the soccer boards

And it's gotten 21 posts in two weeks.......

The Accountant · 10-20-2021, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

It's hilarious watching people go gaga over a product that few collectors, if any, will actually want.

You can probably count the number of soccer fans who know who Steve Aoki is (I don't) and care that he designed a set on one hand.

Note that there isn't even a thread about this product on the soccer boards.....

Aoki > Baller
UEFA > Baseball

If baller MLB can do $300 on eBay, why couldn’t these? FYI - Probably opening mine.

BirdsFan55 · 10-20-2021, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

It's hilarious watching people go gaga over a product that few collectors, if any, will actually want.

You can probably count the number of soccer fans who know who Steve Aoki is (I don't) and care that he designed a set on one hand.

Note that there isn't even a thread about this product on the soccer boards.....

Are we serious about relevance of Steve Aoki? Dude has 8.2 million followers on twitter and is one of the biggest names in EDM and has been for awhile now.

mfw13 · 10-20-2021, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Accountant

Aoki > Baller
UEFA > Baseball

If baller MLB can do $300 on eBay, why couldn’t these? FYI - Probably opening mine.

Who knows....maybe they will.

I'm just pointing out that most actual soccer collectors couldn't care less about them.

The market is going to be gamblers/flippers/investors trying to make a profit off of other gamblers/flippers/investors.

mfw13 · 10-20-2021, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BirdsFan55

Are we serious about relevance of Steve Aoki? Dude has 8.2 million followers on twitter and is one of the biggest names in EDM and has been for awhile now.

So?

How many of those 8.2 million Twitter followers are soccer card collectors?

And how many of the few who are soccer card collectors are willing to pay ridiculous prices for a product that is essentially a parallel of a parallel just because it has his name on it?

Archimedes · 10-20-2021, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

So?

How many of those 8.2 million Twitter followers are soccer card collectors?

And how many of the few who are soccer card collectors are willing to pay ridiculous prices for a product that is essentially a parallel of a parallel just because it has his name on it?

That's not the point. It's soccer and soccer card collectors will buy it.

Jon G · 10-20-2021, 12:39 PM

These Mantle packs are a no-brainer. I'm in.

SaltyCracker · 10-20-2021, 12:41 PM

I bought 80 mantle packs. Will be fun to put the set together with a small chance for an auto.

ndwatso · 10-20-2021, 12:41 PM

Can you use your points on the mantle?

Archimedes · 10-20-2021, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ndwatso

Can you use your points on the mantle?

No, unfortunately.

mfw13 · 10-20-2021, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

That's not the point. It's soccer and soccer card collectors will buy it.

A few may, but most couldn't care less.

I've been collecting soccer cards for 25+ years and am pretty knowledgeable about the soccer card community.

Most soccer card collectors are actually real collectors who enjoy the "hunt" (since many mainstream soccer cards were released in very low numbers and are therefore fairly hard to find).

There is very little interest among soccer card collectors for "gimmick" products like this...

As I noted upthread, the thread discussing this product in the soccer forum has 21 posts in two weeks.....that's how much interest there is in this product.

Trueblue · 10-20-2021, 12:45 PM

UCL Aoki, no brainer.

But I think people are going to look back a year from now and ask "where did wax flipping turn upside for me" and they're going to track back to this mantle x release. Cool product, but it's for collecting all the way - and there's nothing wrong with that.

MTBRM · 10-20-2021, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Who knows....maybe they will.

I'm just pointing out that most actual soccer collectors couldn't care less about them.

The market is going to be gamblers/flippers/investors trying to make a profit off of other gamblers/flippers/investors.

And most actual baseball fans/collectors don't even know who Ben is to begin with, let alone care for his Chrome edition, so what's your point?

Philthy · 10-20-2021, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

A few may, but most couldn't care less.

I've been collecting soccer cards for 25+ years and am pretty knowledgeable about the soccer card community.

Most soccer card collectors are actually real collectors who enjoy the "hunt" (since many mainstream soccer cards were released in very low numbers and are therefore fairly hard to find).

There is very little interest among soccer card collectors for "gimmick" products like this...

As I noted upthread, the thread discussing this product in the soccer forum has 21 posts in two weeks.....that's how much interest there is in this product.

I don't collect soccer cards, but there seems to be some buzz about it on social media - at least twitter and the card discords I'm in.

mfw13 · 10-20-2021, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MTBRM

And most actual baseball fans/collectors don't even know who Ben is to begin with, let alone care for his Chrome edition, so what's your point?

That the market among actual collectors for these type of "celebrity" driven products is actually much smaller than people think.

Baller at least made a name for himself last year via Project 2020....almost nobody in the soccer card community knows who Steve Aoki is or cares that he's making a soccer card product.

88luisrising88 · 10-20-2021, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

A few may, but most couldn't care less.

I've been collecting soccer cards for 25+ years and am pretty knowledgeable about the soccer card community.

Most soccer card collectors are actually real collectors who enjoy the "hunt" (since many mainstream soccer cards were released in very low numbers and are therefore fairly hard to find).

There is very little interest among soccer card collectors for "gimmick" products like this...

As I noted upthread, the thread discussing this product in the soccer forum has 21 posts in two weeks.....that's how much interest there is in this product.

There’s literally replies right now on that thread in the soccer forum lol. People bought out aoki football festival uefa earlier this year too.

10-20-2021, 12:16 PM	#24301
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,256	It's hilarious watching people go gaga over a product that few collectors, if any, will actually want. You can probably count the number of soccer fans who know who Steve Aoki is (I don't) and care that he designed a set on one hand. Note that there isn't even a thread about this product on the soccer boards.....

10-20-2021, 12:16 PM	#24302
eastbayak Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 15,847 eastbayak	Bought my 2 Aoki UEFA boxes (easy decision). Bought 15 Mantle X boxes (harder decision, not as high on the product but wanted to have a little position in it in case I underestimated it).

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badkarma318 Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 680	.....

10-20-2021, 12:21 PM	#24306
hotcalsun Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 1,132	In for 40.

10-20-2021, 12:39 PM	#24316
Jon G Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 326	These Mantle packs are a no-brainer. I'm in.

10-20-2021, 12:41 PM	#24317
SaltyCracker Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,472	I bought 80 mantle packs. Will be fun to put the set together with a small chance for an auto.

10-20-2021, 12:41 PM	#24318
ndwatso Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Illinois Posts: 649 Bartopcards BasementBartopCards	Can you use your points on the mantle?

10-20-2021, 12:45 PM	#24321
Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,427	UCL Aoki, no brainer. But I think people are going to look back a year from now and ask "where did wax flipping turn upside for me" and they're going to track back to this mantle x release. Cool product, but it's for collecting all the way - and there's nothing wrong with that.