Yordan Alvarez

[Redsmitty03]

Originally Posted by eliseomo

I don't get the love with Yordan Alvarez. Now, as a disclosure, I'm a fan of the Astros.

Yordan at 21 was a terrible outfielder, after a couple of surgeries, will never consistently play out there again. First base? Ah, don't think so.

The guy at 23 runs like he had 30. I'd be surprised if he is still in the league at 30. As they get older, knee problems become low back problems, which will lose bat speed and power. When that happens, game over.

You actually have watched games? Or is this sattire?

Edit to add: I don't agree with the take of "terrible outfielder". He has less than a handful of games out there, so it seems unfair to put that tag on him. Watching games, he runs well for a big man. I am a biased Astros and Yordan fan, to clarify!

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by eliseomo

I don't get the love with Yordan Alvarez. Now, as a disclosure, I'm a fan of the Astros.

Yordan at 21 was a terrible outfielder, after a couple of surgeries, will never consistently play out there again. First base? Ah, don't think so.

The guy at 23 runs like he had 30. I'd be surprised if he is still in the league at 30. As they get older, knee problems become low back problems, which will lose bat speed and power. When that happens, game over.

I can’t blame you for your take, but as a Yordan fan, I’ll just say this: Watching him bat is fun. He’s a mammoth human being who can easily golf-shot a low pitch out of the park. But it’s not just brute strength, he’s a surprisingly smart hitter who doesn’t alway swing for the fences like certain players named Giancarlo. While he can’t play the field, or run, I honestly think he can DH well into his 30’s. Another part of it for me is that he’s been on my fantasy team since his call-up, so I’ve seen a lot of his games. We’ve gone to war and won fantasy championships together. So that adds a lot of sentimental value for me.

That’s just my take, I’m sure other people have different reasons for liking him.

[kabrune2]

Originally Posted by eliseomo

I don't get the love with Yordan Alvarez. Now, as a disclosure, I'm a fan of the Astros.

Yordan at 21 was a terrible outfielder, after a couple of surgeries, will never consistently play out there again. First base? Ah, don't think so.

The guy at 23 runs like he had 30. I'd be surprised if he is still in the league at 30. As they get older, knee problems become low back problems, which will lose bat speed and power. When that happens, game over.

I won’t disagree but I also won’t agree on this as the advances in sports medicine over the last 20 years has been phenomenal, especially with knees. History says 30-31 might be the life cycle for a player so big, Mo Vaughn, Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder, etc all were on HoF paths until 30, and then it was over, they may have played a few more years but they were half the player they were a mere few years earlier. I am excited to see what happens with Judge as he’s a lot more athletic than all these players but he’s also a big man too, but he hasn’t been a model of health either.

Bottom line, we’ll probably get 7 more ridonkulous years of a Yordan hitting clinic until he hits 30, I hope the DH keeps him healthy and lowers the wear and tear on his body to maybe allow him to play till 35, otherwise he’ll just be another cautionary tale of big men won’t last in baseball.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I can’t blame you for your take, but as a Yordan fan, I’ll just say this: Watching him bat is fun. He’s a mammoth human being who can easily golf-shot a low pitch out of the park. But it’s not just brute strength, he’s a surprisingly smart hitter who doesn’t alway swing for the fences like certain players named Giancarlo. While he can’t play the field, or run, I honestly think he can DH well into his 30’s. Another part of it for me is that he’s been on my fantasy team since his call-up, so I’ve seen a lot of his games. We’ve gone to war and won fantasy championships together. So that adds a lot of sentimental value for me.

That’s just my take, I’m sure other people have different reasons for liking him.

Someone on the Astros said something to the effect of "He's a brilliant hitter who also happens to possess 40 HR power"

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by kabrune2

Mo Vaughn, Ryan Howard, Prince Fielder, etc all were on HoF paths until 30

Yordan is in much better shape than all of those guys. He's 6'5' 220. That steep aging curve is for overweight players that are too heavy for their frame

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

The Houston brand hurts him right now but I think once all the other players go elsewhere in about 4 years, it’ll subside. The FO has to know that. I believe Bregman will be the longest tenured player when Yordan and Tucker, for that matter, hit their prime. Once Bregman leaves, the casual fan should be passed that. As someone mentioned, if he does go Triple Crown numbers, it won’t matter, his stuff will explode.

I just see this as a buying opportunity for the tainted guys - Bregman in particular, who was only a rookie and has the most career upside. Being a DH, Alvarez will have to put up insane numbers every year to hold his value long term. At current pricing, that concerns me more than the cheating stigma for Bregman - which will obviously follow him forever and diminish the size of his audience...but his cards cost half as much as Alvarez, and he's clearly a much more talented baseball player overall.

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I think his Bowman Sterling cards look great and don’t break the bank.


Edit: Just noticed the Gold is a Pop 1 with none graded higher. I’m sure that will change but it is still nice for the time being!


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This came in a few days ago but I just got a good look at it for the first time. The A&G Chrome Refractors may be my favorite cards from 2020. Very clean and simple design but the refractor finish on the font shadowing and scroll lines looks fantastic! It is hard to capture with a photo or scan but they really pop in person.


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[eliseomo]

Originally Posted by Redsmitty03

You actually have watched games? Or is this sattire?

Edit to add: I don't agree with the take of "terrible outfielder". He has less than a handful of games out there, so it seems unfair to put that tag on him. Watching games, he runs well for a big man. I am a biased Astros and Yordan fan, to clarify!

Yes, I have watched many of his games. Great hitter, yes. Marginal outfielder, no. Average baserunner, for now. At 22 got his right patellar tendon fixed, left knee scoped. Now, root cause of this, probably his weight and amount of muscle. I'm not saying the guy used steriods, but tendon instability, including this issue, has been proven to be a side effect of this.

Long-term, the better DH will be the Blue Jay fat boy, son of the HOF. Enjoy Yordan while he's around, and hope the NL takes the leap to the DH.

[eliseomo]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I can’t blame you for your take, but as a Yordan fan, I’ll just say this: Watching him bat is fun. He’s a mammoth human being who can easily golf-shot a low pitch out of the park. But it’s not just brute strength, he’s a surprisingly smart hitter who doesn’t alway swing for the fences like certain players named Giancarlo. While he can’t play the field, or run, I honestly think he can DH well into his 30’s. Another part of it for me is that he’s been on my fantasy team since his call-up, so I’ve seen a lot of his games. We’ve gone to war and won fantasy championships together. So that adds a lot of sentimental value for me.

That’s just my take, I’m sure other people have different reasons for liking him.

Agree with you, he is fun to watch.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by eliseomo

Yes, I have watched many of his games. Great hitter, yes. Marginal outfielder, no. Average baserunner, for now. At 22 got his right patellar tendon fixed, left knee scoped. Now, root cause of this, probably his weight and amount of muscle. I'm not saying the guy used steriods, but tendon instability, including this issue, has been proven to be a side effect of this.

Steroids? Ridiculous. He's 6'5 225. He's not much bigger than Kobe was(6'6 212) and the same size as Dwayne Wade(6'4 220). That's a normal weight for an athlete that height and he does not at all look like a guy who used PED anything. Bad knee genetics? Definitely

[eliseomo]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Steroids? Ridiculous. He's 6'5 225. He's not much bigger than Kobe was(6'6 212) and the same size as Dwayne Wade(6'4 220). That's a normal weight for an athlete that height and he does not at all look like a guy who used PED anything. Bad knee genetics? Definitely

I never said he's taken steriods. All I said was that that debilitating tendons, such as the patellar tendon, is also a side effect of those taking steriods. Just another variable to consider.

[regularp]

Originally Posted by eliseomo

Yes, I have watched many of his games. Great hitter, yes. Marginal outfielder, no. Average baserunner, for now. At 22 got his right patellar tendon fixed, left knee scoped. Now, root cause of this, probably his weight and amount of muscle. I'm not saying the guy used steriods, but tendon instability, including this issue, has been proven to be a side effect of this.

Long-term, the better DH will be the Blue Jay fat boy, son of the HOF. Enjoy Yordan while he's around, and hope the NL takes the leap to the DH.

So you make an argument about weight being a detriment to bigger players and then say Vlad Jr. is gonna be better.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by eliseomo

I never said he's taken steriods. All I said was that that debilitating tendons, such as the patellar tendon, is also a side effect of those taking steriods. Just another variable to consider.

It's also a side effect of corticosteroid therapy which could've been used to treat inflammation in his knee over the years. That's way more likely than anabolic steroids, considering he would've had to be injecting locally around the knee area, like his thigh muscles, in order for that to be a possibility.

Such a ridiculous thing to throw out there without really knowing what you're talking about.

[eliseomo]

Originally Posted by regularp

So you make an argument about weight being a detriment to bigger players and then say Vlad Jr. is gonna be better.

Yes sir. He still plays the field, has been fat all his life, and seems to have more mobility than Yordan. No surprise, but he will also end up a DH.

Ok, so Yordan is 23 and has played a total of 10 games in the outfield, none in 2020 or 2021. On the other hand, Vladdy has played 164 games in the field, 68 at first base and 97 at third base. Yordan will never see the field on defense on a regular basis. Houston is better off sending Brantley out there.

[eliseomo]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

It's also a side effect of corticosteroid therapy which could've been used to treat inflammation in his knee over the years. That's way more likely than anabolic steroids, considering he would've had to be injecting locally around the knee area, like his thigh muscles, in order for that to be a possibility.

Such a ridiculous thing to throw out there without really knowing what you're talking about.

Ok, thanks for the opinion.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by eliseomo

I never said he's taken steriods. All I said was that that debilitating tendons, such as the patellar tendon, is also a side effect of those taking steriods. Just another variable to consider.

You're implying it dude, come on now. I did a little research and he was hurt in a minor league game years prior. He did not seek surgery. For anyone that is active, after years of wear, you gotta bite and do it, which is what happened. It's not surprise that wear on his other knee started likely due to favoring of the inured one. His size didnt help. Some people just have the genetics to be 6'4 220. There are zero signs he's a cheater.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by eliseomo

Yes sir. He still plays the field, has been fat all his life, and seems to have more mobility than Yordan. No surprise, but he will also end up a DH.

Ok, so Yordan is 23 and has played a total of 10 games in the outfield, none in 2020 or 2021. On the other hand, Vladdy has played 164 games in the field, 68 at first base and 97 at third base. Yordan will never see the field on defense on a regular basis. Houston is better off sending Brantley out there.

Yordan hasn't played the field because of his knee injury, not because he doesn't have the ability. It's pretty well known in Astros circles.

I thought you were an Astros fan? Sure doesn't seem like it.

[eliseomo]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

You're implying it dude, come on now. I did a little research and he was hurt in a minor league game years prior. He did not seek surgery. For anyone that is active, after years of wear, you gotta bite and do it, which is what happened. It's not surprise that wear on his other knee started likely due to favoring of the inured one. His size didnt help. Some people just have the genetics to be 6'4 220. There are zero signs he's a cheater.

Thanks!

[eliseomo]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

Yordan hasn't played the field because of his knee injury, not because he doesn't have the ability. It's pretty well known in Astros circles.

I thought you were an Astros fan? Sure doesn't seem like it.

Yes, an Astro fan. I'd take Marcell Ozuna's ability to play the field over Yordan, which should tell you how bad it is. Good chatter.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by eliseomo

Yes, an Astro fan. I'd take Marcell Ozuna's ability to play the field over Yordan, which should tell you how bad it is. Good chatter.

I would prefer that he DH's for the next year and gets work at first base. I don't want to see him in the OF and pull an Eloy. He's much too important as a hitter

[regularp]

Originally Posted by eliseomo

Yes sir. He still plays the field, has been fat all his life, and seems to have more mobility than Yordan. No surprise, but he will also end up a DH.

Ok, so Yordan is 23 and has played a total of 10 games in the outfield, none in 2020 or 2021. On the other hand, Vladdy has played 164 games in the field, 68 at first base and 97 at third base. Yordan will never see the field on defense on a regular basis. Houston is better off sending Brantley out there.

What's wrong with being a DH? Worked out well for the Red Sox with David Ortiz and Yordan moves better than him.

This kind of downplaying of game changing bats is the reason JD Martinez got 5/$110 million and Francisco Lindor got $340 million. You can always find a glove; you can't find hitters to replace the JDs and Yordans of the league.

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[SandStoneSports]

Big Yordan fan, but simply cant sell his cards at any profit. Because he missed so many games his first two years his per game stats looked inflated and somewhat historical, but this year he looks more like a guy who is going to hit between 25 and 30 home runs a year. The output, coupled with him not playing defense is just too much to overcome right now. With Tatis, Acuna, and Vlady all playing so well Yordan is falling down the list of players people want to spend money on. If Eloy comes back and plays at a high level Yordan is going to continue to fall down the list.

Have a Topps Transcendent Yordan rookie I love. Wanted to try and make a little money on it, but looks like it may end up PC.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by SandStoneSports

Big Yordan fan, but simply cant sell his cards at any profit. Because he missed so many games his first two years his per game stats looked inflated and somewhat historical, but this year he looks more like a guy who is going to hit between 25 and 30 home runs a year. The output, coupled with him not playing defense is just too much to overcome right now. With Tatis, Acuna, and Vlady all playing so well Yordan is falling down the list of players people want to spend money on. If Eloy comes back and plays at a high level Yordan is going to continue to fall down the list.

Have a Topps Transcendent Yordan rookie I love. Wanted to try and make a little money on it, but looks like it may end up PC.

1. It's May
2. He has the same # of HR's as Bryce Harper, and 1 more than Pete Alonso
3. If you ignored #1, it's still early