Patrick Mahomes Prices

[arod305]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Why???

Are the 10 copies going to suddenly flood the market?

You think if Pat stumbles people are going to pay this kind of money for a non rookie PSA 9 gold? No chance it holds the same value as a blue chip Rc.

Doesn’t matter if it hits the market or not. $50k is a steep buy imo. It’s just my opinion. That stuff makes sense for the Brady’s and Lebrons.

Once again, you have your own agenda on the golds which I get. But always nice to compare what other options the same money buys you.

[biggieruth]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Way too low in the context of Brady.

Because hes not Tom Brady he has one Super Bowl. The man can become Dan Marino and Rodgers if he losses another Super Bowl.I like Mahomes I bought in early on him also. But his prices are ridiculous and capped off on profit in my opinion.

[pattymahomeboy]

Originally Posted by biggieruth

Because hes not Tom Brady he has one Super Bowl. The man can become Dan Marino and Rodgers if he losses another Super Bowl.I like Mahomes I bought in early on him also. But his prices are ridiculous and capped off on profit in my opinion.

Dan Marino won a Super Bowl? Huh. News to me. I must have slept through it.

Aaron Rodgers and Pat aren't even close to the same type of person. Besides on field talent- Pat actually knows how to manage and motivate people. Aaron apparently is out to sabotage his team's entire season. Selfish people suck.

[biggieruth]

Originally Posted by pattymahomeboy

Dan Marino won a Super Bowl? Huh. News to me. I must have slept through it.

Aaron Rodgers and Pat aren't even close to the same type of person. Besides on field talent- Pat actually knows how to manage and motivate people. Aaron apparently is out to sabotage his team's entire season. Selfish people suck.

Dan Marino stats and Aaron Rodgers 1 Super Bowl. Mahomes will win about 3-4 Super Bowls on his arm and talent if everything lines up right for him.That's and amazing career. If he wins more the Defense and Running game is going have to win him a few.

[COMCMax]

Originally Posted by wharfrat7624

Damn - the 2018 Panini Prizm Gold /10 did $50k

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Panini...-127632-2357-0

Seems like a good deal considering what Brady's going for. High-end Fomo ��

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by arod305

Brady Cont 9.5s don’t sell for $50k either...

Too many good rookie options left for Pat in that range.

I’m with you. Look at 21st year Brady Prizm Gold vs Brady rookie stuff in the same range. Do you take a pop 16 PSA 10 R&S or the Prizm Gold? I know what I’m taking.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by biggieruth

Dan Marino stats and Aaron Rodgers 1 Super Bowl. Mahomes will win about 3-4 Super Bowls on his arm and talent if everything lines up right for him.That's and amazing career. If he wins more the Defense and Running game is going have to win him a few.

I think it’s pretty obvious that Mahomes has the potential to win more SBs than that. That’s what people pay for.

Pass happy league aside, the guy is off to what is indisputably the best start to a career ever for a QB. Most yards and TDs through 50 games, three conference championship appearances, two conference titles, and one SB title. And the only guy he’s lost to is the best football player of all time. The greatest thing about Brady winning seven titles is that he’s so absurdly ahead of the pack that nobody who follows him has to worry about trying to catch him.

[MyckKabongo]

* There is way too much FUD in here given what transpired in the last 24 hours. A strong Browns team played GREAT and still Mahomes kept his team in the game and found a way to win. Legendary stuff.

* At only 47 games in, he has the first 50 games record record for TDs and Yardage. Bunch of records related to wins and playoff wins too.

* Bias is a funny thing. Is TJ biased with his golds? Maybe. What about the the guy who sold most of his Mahomes holdings and seems to want to justify it post hoc by dropping FUD bombs in here all evening after yet another legendary performance? Hmmmmm, seems there might be a little bias there too.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

* There is way too much FUD in here given what transpired in the last 24 hours. A strong Browns team played GREAT and still Mahomes kept his team in the game and found a way to win. Legendary stuff.

* At only 47 games in, he has the first 50 games record record for TDs and Yardage. Bunch of records related to wins and playoff wins too.

* Bias is a funny thing. Is TJ biased with his golds? Maybe. What about the the guy who sold most of his Mahomes holdings and seems to want to justify it post hoc by dropping FUD bombs in here all evening after yet another legendary performance? Hmmmmm, seems there might be a little bias there too.

Nobody likes to be wrong. I actually sold all Mahomes last month except for some 2017 Prizm retail boxes. I’ve been through this rodeo enough to know it’s next to impossible to meet hobby expectations.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Yep... been hearing this the whole way up about Mahomes and Brady Prizm Golds.

Anyone want to admit that the mantra of "Football only cares about rookie cards" can be put to rest?

I know what you did there

[AUSSIE GAMBLER]

Originally Posted by arod305

You think if Pat stumbles people are going to pay this kind of money for a non rookie PSA 9 gold? No chance it holds the same value as a blue chip Rc.

Doesn’t matter if it hits the market or not. $50k is a steep buy imo. It’s just my opinion. That stuff makes sense for the Brady’s and Lebrons.

Once again, you have your own agenda on the golds which I get. But always nice to compare what other options the same money buys you.

It's not beyond reasonable doubt, some people just want to own an item and for them 50 grand is a drop of pi$$ in the ocean to aquire something they desire.
Not everyone buys this crap to turn a profit or swing d1ck on social media you know....

[arod305]

Originally Posted by AUSSIE GAMBLER

It's not beyond reasonable doubt, some people just want to own an item and for them 50 grand is a drop of pi$$ in the ocean to aquire something they desire.
Not everyone buys this crap to turn a profit or swing d1ck on social media you know....

True True, def something I'd love to have in my Pat PC. Not always about value investing.

On a side note... Orland Brown looked awful yesterday. I know its Myles Garrett, but hopefully he gets some things cleaned up before next week.

On another side note... I am really happy that PM15 plays for the Chiefs. Never a doubt with him.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

* There is way too much FUD in here given what transpired in the last 24 hours. A strong Browns team played GREAT and still Mahomes kept his team in the game and found a way to win. Legendary stuff.

* At only 47 games in, he has the first 50 games record record for TDs and Yardage. Bunch of records related to wins and playoff wins too.

* Bias is a funny thing. Is TJ biased with his golds? Maybe. What about the the guy who sold most of his Mahomes holdings and seems to want to justify it post hoc by dropping FUD bombs in here all evening after yet another legendary performance? Hmmmmm, seems there might be a little bias there too.

I could be... but hey.... if so, I was bias about these when I bought them for less than $2k each a while back, and a few months ago when a 2020 did $15k and I was told that was too much, and still and now.

I'm having even more fun in the Brady thread when I was told my 2012 Gold wasn't a very important card.

And just to show this isn't a blind pump (I'm not selling any of these, btw), I'll give you my view point. Most of us are pretty seasoned collectors here. We understand the nuances of collecting. A lot of people that are putting money into this aren't. They just want the most recognizable and rarest cards of the most recognizable players. For about the last 10 years now, Prizm Golds have been the most consistent, rare and recognizable chases on the market (across football and basketball). So these people are going to rather have what Prizm Gold they can find than something more obscure like a certain variation of a Mahomes Phoenix rookie (yes, I'm saying this even though I own the 1/1).

Same with Tom Brady. To a seasoned collector, a top condition Fleer Showcase rookie might be a huge card. But to somebody else who hasn't been collecting for 20+ years, it's just his 12th best rookie card and they might rather have his one of his most significant non rookies instead.


Don't be mad at this. It gives collectors a chance to still go after these nuanced cards for their collection. Otherwise, neat finds like Phoenix Color Bursts wouldn't be obtainable for many of us.

[arod305]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

* There is way too much FUD in here given what transpired in the last 24 hours. A strong Browns team played GREAT and still Mahomes kept his team in the game and found a way to win. Legendary stuff.

* At only 47 games in, he has the first 50 games record record for TDs and Yardage. Bunch of records related to wins and playoff wins too.

* Bias is a funny thing. Is TJ biased with his golds? Maybe. What about the the guy who sold most of his Mahomes holdings and seems to want to justify it post hoc by dropping FUD bombs in here all evening after yet another legendary performance? Hmmmmm, seems there might be a little bias there too.

If your last point is referencing me, the funny thing is I still own a substantial dollar amount of Mahomes. The point had nothing to do with Pat. He was sensational yesterday. The point was there are still a lot of quality rookie cards you can buy for $50k with PM15. That price point is a little tougher on a guy like Brady now. At the end of the day people should be buying what they know best and desire most. I’d take a Cont gem over the gold, but TJ probably wouldn’t. That’s fine, a lot of ways to make money in the hobby. Like PCP said, a person buying that gold probably has a lot of key rookie cards already. Long term a second year gold is a monster card.

[tjforce]

Back to the performance in week 1, though.

This was what makes Mahomes special. Every week is must see TV, where he does stuff that nobody else on the planet does.

You can argue Super Bowls, salary cap, stats, etc, all day.... but what sets Mahomes apart from the rest of the NFL is just the absolute show be puts on every time he plays. The hobby cares about that.

[Jay9Suited]

2018 Prizm Gold /10 PSA 9 vs. 2017 Contenders Horizontal Cracked Ice Auto /25 PSA 9. Both sold for just over 50k last night. Doesn't make much sense but whatevs.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

2018 Prizm Gold /10 PSA 9 vs. 2017 Contenders Horizontal Cracked Ice Auto /25 PSA 9. Both sold for just over 50k last night. Doesn't make much sense but whatevs.

Yep. Contenders all day for me and it's not even close.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

2018 Prizm Gold /10 PSA 9 vs. 2017 Contenders Horizontal Cracked Ice Auto /25 PSA 9. Both sold for just over 50k last night. Doesn't make much sense but whatevs.

Was the Cracked Ice his actual rookie card version #303 or the subset version #343?

[arod305]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Was the Cracked Ice his actual rookie card version #303 or the subset version #343?

Subset horizontal...

[SidVish]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Was the Cracked Ice his actual rookie card version #303 or the subset version #343?

#343

https://www.ebay.com/itm/15459502022...p2047675.l2557

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by arod305

Subset horizontal...

There's the answer.

If it were the rookie #303 we'd be well into the 6 figures.

[MyckKabongo]

Originally Posted by arod305

If your last point is referencing me, the funny thing is I still own a substantial dollar amount of Mahomes. The point had nothing to do with Pat. He was sensational yesterday. The point was there are still a lot of quality rookie cards you can buy for $50k with PM15. That price point is a little tougher on a guy like Brady now. At the end of the day people should be buying what they know best and desire most. I’d take a Cont gem over the gold, but TJ probably wouldn’t. That’s fine, a lot of ways to make money in the hobby. Like PCP said, a person buying that gold probably has a lot of key rookie cards already. Long term a second year gold is a monster card.

I got your point. All I'm saying is we all bring our own biases to the table in here, especially with the money involved.

When I see TJ post about veteran Golds, I'm mindful that he's holding some and can't help but be biased in favor of their value going up. TBH I have a few lesser Gold /10s that benefit from all this so I'm biased too.

When I see ARod with a string of posts about how hard its going to be for Mahomes to maintain value this season, how bad the Chiefs D looks, a perceived soft sale or thinking someone overpaid for a Mahomes... I'm thinking well, ARod sold a lot recently and at some level is biased towards the negative scenarios.

When I see our resident Packers fan pop in here, I'm thinking about how he saw his hopes and dreams of a Rodgers-led Packers dynasty slowly crumble over a decade and that has to have an affect on how he sees other young potentially dynastic QBs that come along.

And let me be clear that I'm a big fan of all 3 posters.

I have my own bias as I'm a lifelong Chiefs fan and I'm committed to holding long term.

[dbpsooner]

Really good discussion regarding the non-rookie year Prizm golds, particularly after some of these recent sales. To be honest, I am not sure which way I lean on them. For the money, I tend to always gravitate towards rookie year cards, but I can certainly appreciate some of the points TJ and others have brought up in favor of the golds.

I always tend to have a longer-term outlook on the cards I buy. As such, the track record for rookie cards provides me with what I feel is a more stable commitment. I also think it is important to understand the collector vs. investor dynamic which is so prevalent right now. Jay has pointed this out a couple different times and makes good points. For the collector with deep pockets, spending that kind of money on a rare card like the gold is likely a no brainer. Having said that, I am somewhat skeptical regarding the collector side of the market. I feel the card market has morphed into a collector/investor hybrid of sorts. I know I fall somewhere in the hybrid category of this hobby. I think most people buying these high-end cards do so with the thought that they will be able to get their money out of the card, if not more, should they choose to divest themselves of the card in the future. In the baseball market, we have seen what can happen to prices if only a couple die hard collectors are desperate for anything and everything rare and important to their collection (see the Big Cat and Omar Visquel). But what happens if we lose the die-hard collectors as a result of a shift to a more collector/investor hybrid philosophy of collecting cards?

When I look at the Prizm Golds, while rare, they are produced every year. Something that can’t be said for rookie year cards. Further, despite their rarity, they look the same as the base card from the same set, aside from the colored border. The collector in me tends to focus on rare inserts from non-rookie year releases more so than parallels of the main sets, but I understand others feel differently. If I am going after a rare Prizm parallel, I would rather focus on a team colored parallel from the rookie year Prizm set for the money (think 2017 Mahomes Prizm Red). Now, I am sure those spending the money on non-rookie year golds likely already have the rare rookie Prizm parallel(s), but there are also plenty of people like me, who can only afford a couple of high end Mahomes cards for my collection. Therefore, I must be selective with my decisions. I can’t help but think there are many just like me. To Arod’s point, if Mahomes does go through a rough stretch, there is usually more demand for the rookie year stuff, which helps maintain the prices on those cards versus the Prizm golds. Obviously, the opposite could also hold true if there are a handful of high end “collectors” who don’t care about performance as much but want the rare golds for their collection. I can’t help but think some of the increase in the non-rookie Prizm golds is due to them being talked about a lot right now and rarely coming up for sale. Coupled with how crazy the card market has been the last year or so, I can see how there could be the illusion of insane demand for them. Whether that demand is real or not we will only know in time. Finally, while Prizm is king right now, we have seen how this has changed over the years in the card industry. If Fanatics or someone else ends up with the football license at some point in the future, what does that mean for the long-term outlook of non-rookie Prizm Golds. Rookie cards have stood the test of time. Prizm has not been around long enough to know.

Anyway, enough babbling. I would be happy to own any of the cards being talked about. I had some free time at the office today and really enjoy discussions like this so figured I would share some of my thoughts with the hopes of sparking further discussion.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

I got your point. All I'm saying is we all bring our own biases to the table in here, especially with the money involved.

When I see TJ post about veteran Golds, I'm mindful that he's holding some and can't help but be biased in favor of their value going up. TBH I have a few lesser Gold /10s that benefit from all this so I'm biased too.

When I see ARod with a string of posts about how hard its going to be for Mahomes to maintain value this season, how bad the Chiefs D looks, a perceived soft sale or thinking someone overpaid for a Mahomes... I'm thinking well, ARod sold a lot recently and at some level is biased towards the negative scenarios.

When I see our resident Packers fan pop in here, I'm thinking about how he saw his hopes and dreams of a Rodgers-led Packers dynasty slowly crumble over a decade and that has to have an affect on how he sees other young potentially dynastic QBs that come along.

And let me be clear that I'm a big fan of all 3 posters.

I have my own bias as I'm a lifelong Chiefs fan and I'm committed to holding long term.

I've actually seen it happen twice!.....On my own team!!

In that same 30-year span, you have Elway, E. Manning, Roethlisberger, and P. Manning as the only 2x winners, so hopefully you can understand that I've been conditioned to doubt seeing someone get into the 3-5 SB winner range.

[arod305]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

I got your point. All I'm saying is we all bring our own biases to the table in here, especially with the money involved.

When I see TJ post about veteran Golds, I'm mindful that he's holding some and can't help but be biased in favor of their value going up. TBH I have a few lesser Gold /10s that benefit from all this so I'm biased too.

When I see ARod with a string of posts about how hard its going to be for Mahomes to maintain value this season, how bad the Chiefs D looks, a perceived soft sale or thinking someone overpaid for a Mahomes... I'm thinking well, ARod sold a lot recently and at some level is biased towards the negative scenarios.

When I see our resident Packers fan pop in here, I'm thinking about how he saw his hopes and dreams of a Rodgers-led Packers dynasty slowly crumble over a decade and that has to have an affect on how he sees other young potentially dynastic QBs that come along.

And let me be clear that I'm a big fan of all 3 posters.

I have my own bias as I'm a lifelong Chiefs fan and I'm committed to holding long term.

Ya very good point about the biases. The highlighted portion is why I took some money off the table. I am a Chiefs fan first so even if I do own less Patty than I used to, it will never be something I regret. As I will always be happy with team success over Patty success. The only other QB I think that has a shot at winning that game yesterday is TB12 and that is why I will never buy a football card not named TB12 or PM15. My mix of the two just has changed % wise, because I saw an opportunity in Brady's prices and thought he was criminally cheap. Hell, TJ says this often and I've said it throughout this thread. Mahomes is CHEAP compared to Luka.