**The Perennial MIKE TROUT Thread**

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I don't disagree with that. But it has nothing to do with my reply to 49ers about his on-field performance when he plays.

Over his last 2 seasons with the beginning of this season at the age of 31-33 : 115 G, 505 PA, 71 R, 106 H, 15 2B, 3 3B, 28 HR’s, 60 RBI’s, 62 BB, 133 SO, .247/.350/.491/.841 for a 129 OPS+ and a sum of $80 million and counting. We are in a different era of spending. The Angels are heavily invested in Trout being a high end asset for production. If I had invested into a $80 million dollar plus asset that had produced those numbers at those percentages I would fear telling my superior that it’s good when it’s running. If it’s not running it brings no value to the end goal of winning and what little was produced is nearly meaningless.

At his age, this is not good, at 40, I would agree that it’s good but with a restructured contract.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Meanwhile Cedric Mullins who is playing for a contract is crushing it!



Trout… like Chris Davis before him… signed his humongous end of career contract and his stats (and ABs) have fallen off a cliff. It’s almost always a bad idea to offer huge amounts of cash to players at the back end of their careers.

I guess Yordan (.083) and Corey Seager (.213) are both Chris Davis now too.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by JRX

I guess Yordan (.083) and Corey Seager (.213) are both Chris Davis now too.

Long big dollar contracts (7-years in Chris Davis’ case and 12 years in Trout’s case) tend to work out horribly for the teams doing them. You are hoping they at least perform well on the front end of those, but in both Trout and Davis case their stats and health started to decline early on in the new contracts. While unpopular with fans, unless you are the Yankees/Dodgers and can absorb losing hundreds of millions a team is usually best off to let the player walk and not be saddled by a contract that tanks the organization.

[tconte]

He's probably a .250 to .260 from here on out. I'm sure he'll have his moments and
hopefully they can make the playoffs soon to give Trout a chance for some post season
moments.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Long big dollar contracts (7-years in Chris Davis’ case and 12 years in Trout’s case) tend to work out horribly for the teams doing them. You are hoping they at least perform well on the front end of those, but in both Trout and Davis case their stats and health started to decline early on in the new contracts. While unpopular with fans, unless you are the Yankees/Dodgers and can absorb losing hundreds of millions a team is usually best off to let the player walk and not be saddled by a contract that tanks the organization.

His AAV is now 9th and about the same as Burns, Lindor, Arenado, and Seager. If Trout's contract is the one that buries a team then they should be contracted because 35M a year for one player is quickly becoming the norm.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

Meanwhile Cedric Mullins who is playing for a contract is crushing it!

Trout… like Chris Davis before him… signed his humongous end of career contract and his stats (and ABs) have fallen off a cliff. It’s almost always a bad idea to offer huge amounts of cash to players at the back end of their careers.

You might want to take another look at Trout's stats. His games played have fallen off a cliff. His stats when he plays are still quite good.

Originally Posted by Stifle

Yesterday’s game not included.

Over his last 2 seasons with the beginning of this season at the age of 31-33 : 114 G, 500 PA, 71 R, 106 H, 15 2B, 3 3B, 28 HR’s, 58 RBI’s, 62 BB, 133 SO, .248/.354/.494/.848 for a 131 OPS+ and a sum of $80 million and counting. We are in a different era of spending. The Angels are heavily invested in Trout being a high end asset for production. If I had invested into a $80 million dollar plus asset that had produced those numbers at those percentages I would fear telling my superior that it’s good when it’s running. If it’s not running it brings no value to the end goal of winning and what little was produced is nearly meaningless.

At his age, this is not good, at 40, I would agree that it’s good but with a restructured contract.

131 OPS+ is very good no matter how you want to spin it.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by tconte

He's probably a .250 to .260 from here on out. I'm sure he'll have his moments and
hopefully they can make the playoffs soon to give Trout a chance for some post season
moments.

Even the last two years when he's been "down" his wRC+ has been 134 and 139. I'm sorry not everyone has used Homer's wonder bat yet, but its been 4 games.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by JRX

Even the last two years when he's been "down" his wRC+ has been 134 and 139. I'm sorry not everyone has used Homer's wonder bat yet, but its been 4 games.

By “down” do you mean “not playing”? He played one month last year. Yes he is the king of WAR but ironically his REPLACEMENT suits up for more games lately. So stats are great and so is grandmas nice china that the family never uses. But at end of day players need to show up and play to win championships.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

By “down” do you mean “not playing”? He played one month last year. Yes he is the king of WAR but ironically his REPLACEMENT suits up for more games lately. So stats are great and so is grandmas nice china that the family never uses. But at end of day players need to show up and play to win championships.

Show us on the Trout card where he hurt you.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by JRX

Show us on the Trout card where he hurt you.

This is the Trout card that best illustrates the literal passing of the hobby torch to Ohtani…

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

By “down” do you mean “not playing”? He played one month last year. Yes he is the king of WAR but ironically his REPLACEMENT suits up for more games lately. So stats are great and so is grandmas nice china that the family never uses. But at end of day players need to show up and play to win championships.

Did you see those goalposts? The moved all by themselves.

[tconte]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

This is the Trout card that best illustrates the literal passing of the hobby torch to Ohtani…

It's his career highlight so far. lol

[BennyA]

My hope is that in a year or two he'll be shipped to the Yankees somehow like most aging superstars are at some point and he can have some big playoff moments.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

You might want to take another look at Trout's stats. His games played have fallen off a cliff. His stats when he plays are still quite good.



131 OPS+ is very good no matter how you want to spin it.

Not anymore, it’s 129 after yesterdays game trending down. I added yesterdays game total. .841 OPS. At the ages of 31-33 at the end of peak performance years, I disagree.

What is his contract over those years ? You are the one hiding from reality. On the open market he is not earning the contract he is currently being paid. It’s not a spin but a reality check.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

This is the Trout card that best illustrates the literal passing of the hobby torch to Ohtani…

12 years after his MLB Cards started being released and 14 years after his first MiLB Insert.

not bad

[NYBBFAN]

Griffey got none of this hate as he aged
Pujols got some hate as he aged
Trout gets a lot of hate as he ages

Why don't more people appreciate greatness as it unfolds in front of them? None of us are immortal.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

Griffey got none of this hate as he aged
Pujols got some hate as he aged
Trout gets a lot of hate as he ages

Why don't more people appreciate greatness as it unfolds in front of them? None of us are immortal.

probably because:

Griffey: They were able to get his cards easily in 1989.

Pujols: They were not involved in the hobby, so while they missed out on his
BC, its understandable they dont own it because they were out of the hobby.

Trout: They ignored US175 for all those years when PSA 10s were $50 thinking
that the print run was too high to sustain the $50 price tag. Then in 2016 when they started to climb they were too stingy pay up for one and have hated it ever since.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

Griffey got none of this hate as he aged
Pujols got some hate as he aged
Trout gets a lot of hate as he ages

Why don't more people appreciate greatness as it unfolds in front of them? None of us are immortal.

I was more sad than anything else that Griffey Jr. was hurt most of the time during the later part of his career with the Reds. He was suppose to be the guy to break the HR record...not Bonds.

I bought a few low end Trout RC during the off season (my firsts) with virtually no expectations. Would be nice to see Trout finish his career on a high note...but it does not appear that way right now.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by jterp5

He’s batting sub-.100!

At this point you just are happy he hasn't hit the IL yet.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Stifle

It’s not a spin

That's exactly what it is. Spin. If 4 games to start the season are a part of your argument, you've already gone off the rails.

[finfangfan]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

How sad is it it's the day after opening day and no one even bothered to post in this thread. How the mighty have fallen.

Trout got drilled in the hand first AB of the season but stayed in the game. Would have been so on brand if he had fractured his wrist and been out 2 months.

You got your wish… people are posting in this thread again!

[NYBBFAN]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

probably because:

Griffey: They were able to get his cards easily in 1989.

Pujols: They were not involved in the hobby, so while they missed out on his
BC, its understandable they dont own it because they were out of the hobby.

Trout: They ignored US175 for all those years when PSA 10s were $50 thinking
that the print run was too high to sustain the $50 price tag. Then in 2016 when they started to climb they were too stingy pay up for one and have hated it ever since.

It's always a good time to collect! Glad I'm not worried about any other crap.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by BennyA

My hope is that in a year or two he'll be shipped to the Yankees somehow like most aging superstars are at some point and he can have some big playoff moments.

He has a no-trade clause. He's not going anywhere.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

It's always a good time to collect! Glad I'm not worried about any other crap.

AMEN!

Collecting is the best!

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

That's exactly what it is. Spin. If 4 games to start the season are a part of your argument, you've already gone off the rails.

Look over the past 4 years and his last two plus are not improving. What part of trending down statistically am I wrong about ? At 31-33 he isn’t doing good, Trout is struggling to remain in the lineup and produce at equal slash lines. If you can’t see it, then I understand that it’s tough seeing heroes grow old. That is no spin it’s reality.