Topps 582 Montgomery Club - Page 936

PhillySportsPNW · 10-05-2021, 10:56 AM

Apologies for what might be a dumb question, but do we know if there will be 1st Bowmans in this Bowman Chrome X release?

bn2cardz · 10-05-2021, 10:57 AM

For $150 just buy a card you want, instead of taking a risk on random, encased, card of a player that has only played one or less seasons at the top level.

At least with other products you can spread your money across several cards, but this is an all-or-nothing lottery ticket with very little possibility on return for most people.

LittleJimmies · 10-05-2021, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bn2cardz

For $150 just buy a card you want, instead of taking a risk on random, encased, card of a player that has only played one or less seasons at the top level.

At least with other products you can spread your money across several cards, but this is an all-or-nothing lottery ticket with very little possibility on return for most people.

Whoa whoa whoa, hold up! Buying singles is smarter than opening wax?!

PumpnDumpling · 10-05-2021, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by txrngr34

Call me stupid but the primary reason I bought my one BCX is because I love this year's design.

Other reasons include possible auto and maybe Javy Baez's last major release card (sort of) as a Cub.

If I didn't like the look of the card it would've been an easy pass.

Ummm, its not 2015 bud - only prospects and rookies in BCX

thebrett · 10-05-2021, 10:59 AM

Grabbed 1 because F it

lubinsdr · 10-05-2021, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bn2cardz

For $150 just buy a card you want, instead of taking a risk on random, encased, card of a player that has only played one or less seasons at the top level.

At least with other products you can spread your money across several cards, but this is an all-or-nothing lottery ticket with very little possibility on return for most people.

This. If you look at singles values for the graded cards from last year, the lack of value speaks for itself. Cheap gimmick product.

LittleJimmies · 10-05-2021, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by txrngr34

Call me stupid but the primary reason I bought my one BCX is because I love this year's design.

Other reasons include possible auto and maybe Javy Baez's last major release card (sort of) as a Cub.

If I didn't like the look of the card it would've been an easy pass.

Baez 99.9% won't be in this. Only 100 card checklist and limited to RC and prospects.

eastbayak · 10-05-2021, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The Accountant

1/1 bowman 1 in every 35 boxes - Yes please

Is that true?

The Accountant · 10-05-2021, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by eastbayak

Is that true?

Maybe 1 in 36/37 because of autos

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cj828282 · 10-05-2021, 11:04 AM

Still pretty good chances of getting a card #/5 or less. But yeah it is a gamblers delight.

eastbayak · 10-05-2021, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Accountant

Maybe 1 in 36/37 because of autos

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Sounds good, not too shabby.

bn2cardz · 10-05-2021, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Whoa whoa whoa, hold up! Buying singles is smarter that opening wax?!

Not exactly what I said, I never said smarter. This isn't about intelligence, it is about preference.

In this case this product won't make sense for most collectors because this is a single card for $150 with most not even being autographed. You won't get several cards to help diversify the cost like you get in most wax. This product only makes sense to those that collect sealed wax.

I don't see that anyone will pay more than $150 in 5 years for this sealed product as more and more players from the checklist will disappear to obscurity and you will only get a single card. So to make any money you have to open now, but that won't make sense for most as they will realize they wouldn't pay $150 for a single prospect or RC in this checklist ,no matter the serial number.

The Accountant · 10-05-2021, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Not exactly what I said, I never said smarter. This isn't about intelligence, it is about preference.

In this case this product won't make sense for most collectors because this is a single card for $150 with most not even being autographed. You won't get several cards to help diversify the cost like you get in most wax. This product only makes sense to those that collect sealed wax.

I don't see that anyone will pay more than $150 in 5 years for this sealed product as more and more players from the checklist will disappear to obscurity and you will only get a single card. So to make any money you have to open now, but that won't make sense for most as they will realize they wouldn't pay $150 for a single prospect or RC in this checklist ,no matter the serial number.

All it takes is one player for wax to carry value

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cj828282 · 10-05-2021, 11:09 AM

I am sure it is a fake sale but looks like a box sold for $360.

SethMurphy · 10-05-2021, 11:13 AM

pass..........

psochaps · 10-05-2021, 11:14 AM

I LOVE gambling!! 😂

txrngr34 · 10-05-2021, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Baez 99.9% won't be in this. Only 100 card checklist and limited to RC and prospects.

Forgot about that. Regardless, I like the design.

Oh well, we'll see how it goes. Good thing I'm not in it to make money, but I would like to pull a nice card. I'd even take a nice non-1st of a good prospect.

cj828282 · 10-05-2021, 11:48 AM

Here is the checklist:

https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/2021...Xchecklist.pdf

14 autos. A couple of good ones.

cj828282 · 10-05-2021, 11:50 AM

PR for product is about 3570. If this goes public there will not be many boxes unless many MC members pass.

LittleJimmies · 10-05-2021, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by txrngr34

Forgot about that. Regardless, I like the design.

Oh well, we'll see how it goes. Good thing I'm not in it to make money, but I would like to pull a nice card. I'd even take a nice non-1st of a good prospect.

Hope you get a red Brennen Davis!

txrngr34 · 10-05-2021, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Hope you get a red Brennen Davis!

Me too!

Or a C.Hernandez auto

bn2cardz · 10-05-2021, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Accountant

All it takes is one player for wax to carry value

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Nope you are talking about one guy when you can get multiple cards to diversify the cost and giving you a better chance at hitting that one good player. This, with one good player, only gives you a 1:100 (not factoring in autos) at hitting that player. A wax with one card can not be carried by one good person

SaveMeTheGum · 10-05-2021, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bn2cardz

For $150 just buy a card you want, instead of taking a risk on random, encased, card of a player that has only played one or less seasons at the top level.

At least with other products you can spread your money across several cards, but this is an all-or-nothing lottery ticket with very little possibility on return for most people.

I agree with this in principle, but I also know there are plenty of people out there willing to take the risk at higher than $150 if they can't get their hands on these. If not, the overall risk at $150 isn't worth the pass IMO. So many degenerate gamblers buying cards these days...

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Originally Posted by cj828282

Here is the checklist:

https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/2021...Xchecklist.pdf

14 autos. A couple of good ones.

Ouch... oh well.

Asian62150 · 10-05-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Nope you are talking about one guy when you can get multiple cards to diversify the cost and giving you a better chance at hitting that one good player. This, with one good player, only gives you a 1:100 (not factoring in autos) at hitting that player. A wax with one card can not be carried by one good person

If this were 2009 Bowman Chrome X and you had a 1:100 chance at a Mike Trout, these would be crazy expensive on the secondary market.

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The Accountant · 10-05-2021, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Nope you are talking about one guy when you can get multiple cards to diversify the cost and giving you a better chance at hitting that one good player. This, with one good player, only gives you a 1:100 (not factoring in autos) at hitting that player. A wax with one card can not be carried by one good person

I understand what you're saying but odds that all 100 players flame out is slim. If this was Trout, Ohtani, Betts, Tatis, or any other star players rookie/prospect year, boxes would be $500 plus already for a chance at their bowman refractors serial #'d to 31 or less, plus autos. If there are no allstars, that's different.

It's also nice that the checklist is split between rookies/prospects and that will lessen the burden of hitting the lottery on a draft pick.

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10-05-2021, 10:56 AM	#23376
PhillySportsPNW Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 59 nyctribe	Apologies for what might be a dumb question, but do we know if there will be 1st Bowmans in this Bowman Chrome X release?

10-05-2021, 11:04 AM	#23385
cj828282 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 13,967	Still pretty good chances of getting a card #/5 or less. But yeah it is a gamblers delight.

10-05-2021, 11:09 AM	#23389
cj828282 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 13,967	I am sure it is a fake sale but looks like a box sold for $360.

10-05-2021, 11:14 AM	#23391
psochaps Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,360 psochaps psochaps	I LOVE gambling!! 😂

10-05-2021, 11:48 AM	#23393
cj828282 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 13,967	Here is the checklist: https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/2021...Xchecklist.pdf 14 autos. A couple of good ones.

10-05-2021, 11:50 AM	#23394
cj828282 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 13,967	PR for product is about 3570. If this goes public there will not be many boxes unless many MC members pass.