✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[Trueblue]

Nice! Must have for a Sho collector!

[HunterConnorMom]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

Thank you Sir!

I finally own this card!

Awesome congrats!!!

[SidVish]

TB selling your cards to BO members. SLEAZY!

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[al3xmac10]

has Ohtani ever hit a HR for Yamamoto before?

[TGCollector]

Originally Posted by al3xmac10

has Ohtani ever hit a HR for Yamamoto before?

He bats .200 when Yamamoto pitches and has 1 home run. 1st inning against the Padres way back.

[PuddleMonkey]

Originally Posted by GabrielCards

Hey guys....is Topps Dynasty worth the price for buying single auto patch Ohtani - good investment long term? Or not popular enough with serious collectors?

None of this crap is a good long term investment, unless your other idea is to light 36k on fire.

[Mister2Bits]

Originally Posted by SidVish

TB selling your cards to BO members. SLEAZY!

To be fair we realized it after the transaction not before.

[SidVish]

Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

None of this crap is a good long term investment, unless your other idea is to light 36k on fire.

Correct. A lot of people worry too damn much about future value. If that's your worry go sell your cards now. If you're not, then keep collecting.

There are much better ways to invest money that don't involve cards.

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[SidVish]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

To be fair we realized it after the transaction not before.

Fair enough!

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[Trueblue]

Nah, I telepathically lured him to arrive at my eBay store and press BIN. This will allow me to buy cards that are severely undervalued that only I know about.

[Trueblue]

While I agree that anyone replacing their 401K with Shohei cards is not sound, I think there are going to be some Sho cards worth more than they are today in 20 years. At what point was LeBron or MJ a good investment? It just kind of happens after their average becomes elite.

And if not, I have some wonderful memories of collecting . And a 401K

[DaveedTO]

Originally Posted by sauceboy

FYI, there are several nice Ohtani RC autos listed in Goldin's 2024 September Elite Auction.

Carrying Bag AUTO (01/25), PSA9 to BGS9.5
https://goldin.co/item/2018-bowman-c...JkSW5kZXgiOjd9

[PuddleMonkey]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

While I agree that anyone replacing their 401K with Shohei cards is not sound, I think there are going to be some Sho cards worth more than they are today in 20 years. At what point was LeBron or MJ a good investment? It just kind of happens after their average becomes elite.

Maybe so but think about it this way... We got Becketts for basketball in what, 1990? If you picked up a Jordan rookie at the low price in that Beckett (and anyone collecting back then knows what this card would look like condition wise, pre-grading, pre-unbridled trimming, etc) you'd barely be keeping up with market returns. This is before his first championship too, so you just smacked a dinger picking the GOAT and you're barely keeping up with average stock market returns. Cards are a poor investment, the fact that Topps simply manufactures scarcity into what they've always done doesn't really change that.

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

Maybe so but think about it this way... We got Becketts for basketball in what, 1990? If you picked up a Jordan rookie at the low price in that Beckett (and anyone collecting back then knows what this card would look like condition wise, pre-grading, pre-unbridled trimming, etc) you'd barely be keeping up with market returns. This is before his first championship too, so you just smacked a dinger picking the GOAT and you're barely keeping up with average stock market returns. Cards are a poor investment, the fact that Topps simply manufactures scarcity into what they've always done doesn't really change that.

You are correct in your example. There are however two factors that aren't considered for present. 1) Stocks will likely not perform similar as 30 years ago, and 2) 2018 parallels have actual rarity that are not differentiated just by grade.

All that said, this is a hobby for me (and I assume most people) and collecting perceptively deepens a sense of engagement with the athlete. It's not a straight monetary investment.

On the flip side , I have met people that stock trade for a legitimate hobby and they are some of the most insufferable people I know.

Circling back, you are correct that it is likely a smarter move to buy ETFs, but that's not usually the conscious choice people have in front of them when buying Sho cards (Sho or stock). For most people, you can bet that option B is something else less productive - like a car, vacation, or even Wander Franco. For me, collecting Sho scratches the buying itch and gives me something to root for everyday, while retaining value - and maybe even growth

[ThoseBackPages]

cards are for collecting

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

cards are for collecting

Yes, I agree. But I also sympathize with Sean's grievance that you don't want your cards to tank.

On the other hand, Fanatics and all the card platforms request you stop with your treasonous lies.

[tchronis24]

I’m just going to chime in here and say that I think a lot of people may fall under the same collecting umbrella as me. Which is that you collect what you enjoy, and it’s a hobby, but you would like to know that if for whatever reason you need to sell, or want to venture into another area of collecting or hobby, that you can recoup most of the money. I’m not buying to sell, but I want to know that if I do sell, I’m not losing 80 percent of the money I put in. I’m not trying to make money I just want to break even give or take a few bucks. I’ve bought cards and started collections in the past I never thought I’d sell so I didn’t care too much what I was spending, and after some years that changed and when I went to sell I maybe got 30 percent of my money back. Served as a learning lesson for me and I think there are a lot of collectors in that same boat

[ThoseBackPages]

Mike (dream34) said it best

what other hobbies allow you to to get ANYTHING back if you decide to sell.

if you are "expecting" 80% back if you do sell, i dont know what to tell ya haha

never spend more than youre willing to see "go poof"

and of course nobody wants their crap to go to $0, thats obvious

[Trueblue]

I approach cards like I approach crypto. One is imaginary money and the other is cardboard with adult men printed. While there is some upside, you only have yourself to blame if you lose it all.

The only difference is cards are fun.

[Bcr]

I think a lot of us fall in the boat of we understand it's a hobby but we also don't want to lose or spend extra money if possible. I always go in expecting that I will lose some money if I decide to sell but I try to mitigate the amount as much as possible.

[tchronis24]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Mike (dream34) said it best

what other hobbies allow you to to get ANYTHING back if you decide to sell.

if you are "expecting" 80% back if you do sell, i dont know what to tell ya haha

never spend more than youre willing to see "go poof"

and of course nobody wants their crap to go to $0, thats obvious

There are a lot of hobbies such as watches, comics and coins where there has been a general appreciation over the course of decades. I hope you don’t think cards are the only exception. Also, this doesn’t apply to the gamblers prospecting and such, but rather to the guys buying cream of the crop players. There are many collectors that are dropping thousands of dollars on collecting judge, ohtani, trout etc that if they were under the impression that their collections could go “poof” as you said, they would not be spending the money they do. Reason being money is an object for 99 percent of the board. Your outlook isn’t a bad one to operate under by any means, but isn’t the reality for most people. There is too much of a binary outlook on the collectors vs investors case. Two things can be true at once.

[tchronis24]

Originally Posted by Bcr

I think a lot of us fall in the boat of we understand it's a hobby but we also don't want to lose or spend extra money if possible. I always go in expecting that I will lose some money if I decide to sell but I try to mitigate the amount as much as possible.

Spot on

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by tchronis24

There are a lot of hobbies such as watches, comics and coins where there has been a general appreciation over the course of decades. I hope you don’t think cards are the only exception. Also, this doesn’t apply to the gamblers prospecting and such, but rather to the guys buying cream of the crop players. There are many collectors that are dropping thousands of dollars on collecting judge, ohtani, trout etc that if they were under the impression that their collections could go “poof” as you said, they would not be spending the money they do. Reason being money is an object for 99 percent of the board. Your outlook isn’t a bad one to operate under by any means, but isn’t the reality for most people. There is too much of a binary outlook on the collectors vs investors case. Two things can be true at once.

thats fair.

and i fully admit i am much different than most folks in the hobby

[Trueblue]

TBP, to be fair, I'm sure you'd feel a little differently if you started your collection from zero today.

Not everyone has your collection purchased at ground level prices

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

TBP, to be fair, I'm sure you'd feel a little differently if you started your collection from zero today.

Not everyone has your collection purchased at ground level prices

man aint that the truth!

im not sure id be collecting today if i had started in the New Age