Ja Morant

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Dumbest post in the history of posts

A decent lawyer WOULD argue it but yes, people have been fired for many, many off-the clock behavioral issues. In California, employers can let you go at-will so as long as it doesn't trample on a person's civil rights, rightfully so.

[codered]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Incidents like these raise a lot of interesting questions given that gun ownership is for the most part completely legal in the USA.

Because from one perspective, although Ja is demonstrating incredibly poor judgment, he is not "at work" or acting in any sort of professional capacity, which raises the question of whether or not his employer should even have the right to discipline him.

How would any of us feel if we got disciplined by our employer for doing something stupid (yet legal) in ourprivate lives?

Also brings up the tangential issue that LEO's are trained to view any sight of a weapon in the hands of an individual as being a threat justifying lethal force, despite the fact that private weapon ownership is legal (as is open carry in many states). How many black kids looking and behaving just like Ja have been shot while engaging in similar (and legal) behavior?

You make great points until you realize after posting it to IG it’s no longer his private life. Unfortunately one of the downsides to playing in the NBA is you’re always “working” when you’re in the public, especially when you’re a star. It’s the trade off for the fame and wealth. Posting this to IG was idiotic, unnecessary and unprofessional. He’s a moron unfortunately

[GOATcards]

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by NSGJT

He pulled a gun on a minor during a pick-up game and skated away with like a week suspension from it. Waving a gun on IG live after getting away with that with a slap on the wrist is comical.

How many normal people can pull a f---ing GUN on a kid in public and not see jail time or serious repercussions? Stop talking about "legality" then. Most athletes, famous ones for sure, are above the law to x degree. This isn't about what the law either, and btw brandishing a gun is illegal in certain context.

I'm not talking about that situation. I dont know the detail but understand that the incident is part of his pattern of detrimental behavior. I'm speaking in general terms what this specific video shows. I'm glad you know that police can charge someone for brandishing a weapon but that's clearly not happening in the recent video.

[SweetSlabsBro]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Agreed.

But what, if anything, does the CBA say about off-season behavior/incidents?

I'm not disputing the fact that Ja is a punk and showed horrible judgment....I'm just more interested in the legal aspects of the situation.

Because I think that the dichotomy between "guns are legal" and "famous person having a gun is bad" is interesting to discuss.

If there is nothing in the CBA about this, it's probably cause they didn't think anyone would be actually this dumb when writing it up. Ja is getting to the point of being outside the parameters of the CBA, this is a MASSIVE image issue for the league. Also everyone keeps saying it's the people surrounding him that is steering Ja to make these decisions which could be the case, BUT what if it's actually Ja that is the problem....Would that be too crazy to consider? Anyone holding Ja cards, buckle up, it's about to be a bumpy ride!

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

But in general, any discipline by an employer for what that video shows needs to be more than "OMG GUN!".

No it doesn’t. That’s what the conduct policy is for. The league can punish you for whatever they please. If the player or NBPA has a problem with the punishment, it goes to arbitration as agreed upon in the CBA. This is standard stuff.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

No it doesn’t. That’s what the conduct policy is for. The league can punish you for whatever they please. If the player or NBPA has a problem with the punishment, it goes to arbitration as agreed upon in the CBA. This is standard stuff.

You missed the "in general" aspect of my statement. The NBA is going to do their thing. I'd just hate to see it to be
a standard practice in America where employers start firing employees because they posted their new gun or gun collection on Instagram or TikTok.

Edited to add: Again, I don't know what music was blaring in the background but context does matter.

[tjforce]

They came down light on Ja last time.

They're going to crush him this time.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by SweetSlabsBro

If there is nothing in the CBA about this, it's probably cause they didn't think anyone would be actually this dumb when writing it up. Ja is getting to the point of being outside the parameters of the CBA, this is a MASSIVE image issue for the league. Also everyone keeps saying it's the people surrounding him that is steering Ja to make these decisions which could be the case, BUT what if it's actually Ja that is the problem....Would that be too crazy to consider? Anyone holding Ja cards, buckle up, it's about to be a bumpy ride!

Ja is the problem. One of two possibilities here. He’s either a moron or an alcoholic. Time and again you’ve seen that his judgement is exceptionally poor. I cannot think of another notable athlete with this many unforced errors.

People who flash guns like they are toys are idiots. That’s how accidental shootings happen. This is a never event.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by SweetSlabsBro

If there is nothing in the CBA about this, it's probably cause they didn't think anyone would be actually this dumb when writing it up. Ja is getting to the point of being outside the parameters of the CBA, this is a MASSIVE image issue for the league. Also everyone keeps saying it's the people surrounding him that is steering Ja to make these decisions which could be the case, BUT what if it's actually Ja that is the problem....Would that be too crazy to consider? Anyone holding Ja cards, buckle up, it's about to be a bumpy ride!

This had be laughing as I was part of an organization where young peeps did really, really dumb stuff. Haha. There were incidents that you literally couldn't write yourself.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

You missed the "in general" aspect of my statement. The NBA is going to do their thing. I'd just hate to see it to be
a standard practice in America where employers start firing employees because they posted their new gun or gun collection on Instagram or TikTok.

Why are we talking about anything but the NBA here?

And by the way, plenty of employers have conduct policies that say you can be punished for whatever they deem detrimental to their organization. And there’s no arbitration. You disagree, it’s on you to find a lawyer to sue for wrongful termination.

[HeyRelaxGuy]

I thought you Americans love guns? What's the problem here? What if he was sitting on his driveway and rapping with an unloaded gun in his hand?? Why should he get suspended for the whole season over this? That's pretty dumb.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by jubei777

lol, he just wants to have all his endorsements to get canceled. seriously how can he keep doing this after seeing he lost his chance at the supermax. train wreck this year. not sure if his head is going to get straight before he's out of the league

NRA has deep pockets and they worked for Charlton Heston.

[njsportscardguy]

BUY,...BUY,...BUY!!

[dizzy4111]

Originally Posted by solt0131

He's a contracted employee that is causing an adverse effect on the organization.

I don't get why this point sails completely over so many people's heads

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by HeyRelaxGuy

I thought you Americans love guns? What's the problem here? What if he was sitting on his driveway and rapping with an unloaded gun in his hand?? Why should he get suspended for the whole season over this? That's pretty dumb.

it's a land of many contrasts

[oldgoldy97]

Lots of people have been fired for doing unsavory stuff caught on film outside the workplace. If you embarrass your employer, you face discipline.

[NSGJT]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I'm not talking about that situation. I dont know the detail but understand that the incident is part of his pattern of detrimental behavior. I'm speaking in general terms what this specific video shows. I'm glad you know that police can charge someone for brandishing a weapon but that's clearly not happening in the recent video.

I realize you're not talking about that situation but you not understanding the implication and context here is the problem.

You cannot just pull a gun on a minor and cause headlines and drama and negative press for yourself (a brand, a star) and a team (a brand) and the NBA league overall (trying to lure advertisers, investors, clear liability) and be so f'ing stupid to flash a gun on IG live for no reason like a loser wannabe gangster like this.

Who cares about "legality". If you worked as a software engineer for google and you're making national headlines MULTIPLE TIMES for sketchy, borderline immoral stuff, do you think they wouldn't just can your a--? After the first time they would. Pulling a gun on a minor?

It matters dude, you can't ignore the history of events here. For example post 9/11 it's probably A LOT DIFFERENT to prank about something hijack, bomb related in an airport/plane than it was prior right? Extreme analogy lmao but it makes the point.

You don't pull a gun on a minor, get away with it barely any punishment, pretend to go to some "rehab" and do it again like a moron. There's no defending these actions. He is a low IQ loser wannabe thug, dude is from the suburbs and is a poser pretending to be some crip or something. On top of it, he's not even that good. Be better if you want to even try this. 1st rounded, 1 n done son.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Dumbest post in the history of posts

Sorry, missed this.

Correct as usual.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by dizzy4111

I don't get why this point sails completely over so many people's heads

Some people just like to argue.

Some people are not very intelligent.

Some people want to make an excuse for bad behavior because they don’t believe in personal responsibility.

Some people inexplicably still have money invested in this bozo.

[cardsin47]

He did it AGAIN! Are Ja and Zion TRYING to turn ‘19 Wax into Junk Wax?


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[Selanne00008]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Some people just like to argue.

Some people are not very intelligent.

Some people want to make an excuse for bad behavior because they don’t believe in personal responsibility.

Some people inexplicably still have money invested in this bozo.

My guess it’s frantically trying to justify holding his card value higher.

Morant needs help
Morant gives 0 Fs about being a role model
Morant doesn’t like money
Morant needs his own role model and then some.

Every endorsement that gave him another chance should have a statement ready and drop him today. WAY too risky.

Who is he even hanging out with? Who is recording while driving that toy car? He doesn’t need to have a Ned Flanders in his life but, come on bro.

Maybe one day he will grow up and he’ll look back at his early 20s and just shake his head. But he’s right in the thick of it today and can’t see his way out.


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[cardsin47]

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[ExpFacilitators]

When I woke up today I didn’t expect to read a post about Ja Morant needing a spanking from his dad.

On a related note I think you can get in some 2019-20 Prizm choice group breaks for about $1000 per card.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

A decent lawyer WOULD argue it but yes, people have been fired for many, many off-the clock behavioral issues. In California, employers can let you go at-will so as long as it doesn't trample on a person's civil rights, rightfully so.

At will states
CBA’s
Drug programs
Firearm programs

The list goes on and on

99% of people can get fired very easily

Ja is one of them