AEW Wrestling Discussion Thread

[Jericho]

Really surprised how many people think the MJF thing wasn't a storyline from the beginning. I thought it was kind of obvious the entire time. I really hope this doesnt lead to Tony Khan being on TV more, because that man needs to be as far away from the cameras as possible.

So Punk and FTR are just the best of buddies? Ok. Punk looked sloppy in that match, and the promo after was weird. Dax basically said drugs are great, after Punk said he never used drugs but imagine it feels like this. (Or something like that) And then Dax said he has used those things and they are amazing (Again something to that effect). Very strange. And Tanahashi vs Punk at the PPV? I suppose it makes sense, because Tanahashi is a big star, but has slowed down over the years because of the bad knees, so Punk should be able to keep up.

Hopefully Athena is the one to take that belt from Jade, but I wont hold my breath on that one.

Blood and Guts just doesnt have the same ring to it as War Games, even when Regal screams it.

I still think it looks bad the Danielson/Moxley/Kingston/Santana/Ortiz lost to Jericho/Hager and 3 enhancement talents at the PPV. I hope Danielson isnt in Blood and guts and just slowly distances himself from the group, because he's far better alone.

[SandStoneSports]

AEW is on the verge of having the biggest star and best storyline in all of wrestling with the MJF angle. Anyone who thinks his current situation is a shoot needs to come back to Earth a bit, AEW isnt putting the guy on their TV show after he cost them money over the weekend if they aren't in on it.

The show was fantastic last night, and MJF's promo was historically good. Not sure if it will lead to a faction of bitter AEW originals against the new ex WWE guys, or if MJF will go it alone but where they are going with this is the classic disenfranchised worker vs their rich boss. Austin vs. McMahon, the original Outsider's angle etc.

MJF isnt going to WWE, he is going to be the next AEW Champion.

[brothertona]

CM Punk can't go anymore, I'm sorry - I know people love him - but he's not a good wrestler anymore. He's looked old really old in AEW.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

Not a chance.



More than likely.

If this was all "1 big work", then MJF is the best character worker there ever has been. Its no secret this is how he has been "feeling" for a few months supposedly...even several other talents have said he had been withdrawn, and keeping to.himself backstage and not like himself.

So either this was the best damn work of all time and he's that damn good...or..it was as you said a shoot turned into a work. Which is also fine.

I don't think he'd get away with half the stuff he does in WWE though.

It'll be interesting to see where this goes though..also interesting they had Punk come out after they cut his mic and screen went black..and MJF went out through the crowd

Punk/Takahashi should be good.

Eddie kinda messed up his promo a bit, but Regal...HE SAID THE THING! lol

I think you may of had my post confused. The past 6 weeks or whatever was definitely real, I think they are now turning it into a work (sorta like Punk's where there was a real chance he was going to leave but they made his feelings into a story).

The only problem will be that Kahn is a buffoon and shouldn't actually be involved since he can't cut a promo to save his life.

[pjrussell]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I think you may of had my post confused. The past 6 weeks or whatever was definitely real, I think they are now turning it into a work (sorta like Punk's where there was a real chance he was going to leave but they made his feelings into a story).

The only problem will be that Kahn is a buffoon and shouldn't actually be involved since he can't cut a promo to save his life.

Maybe and hopefully the just use Punk to represent TK. Although even though he's the boss Tony Khan does not come across as a heel type character. Plus we don't need his high strung ass on tv each week.

[dinohotep]

Originally Posted by brothertona

CM Punk can't go anymore, I'm sorry - I know people love him - but he's not a good wrestler anymore. He's looked old really old in AEW.

Yeah, it sucks but you're right. Slipping on the ropes and messing up moves doesn't work when you hold up the belt and proclaim yourself the best in the world.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

And you're clearly an idiot

Buddy you clearly are the idiot if you think this was ever a shoot. But then again you are an AEW mark and never will say a bad word against the company.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by asujbl

What is wrong with you?

Blood every week it gets boring and old. Do it every now and then in a big match it will add to the match. Doing it every week in regular match's waters down doing it.

[DonrussDean]

The issue with the blood is like last night, they clearly showed Mox removing a blade. They aren't even hiding how it's done.

[tomahawk]

Seems weird to me that there are so many strong opinions about the MJF thing being either 100% shoot or 100% work.

People are acting like wrestling doesn't have a long history of letting real-life situations bleed into worked or semi-worked angles on a show. I'm thinking about: Road Warrior Hawk and his alcoholism, the Montreal Screwjob feeding tv-baddie Mr. McMahon, the Edge/Lita/Matt Hardy triangle, and on and on.

The educated guess here would be that the MJF-is-disgruntled-over-pay situation was very real, was possibly still real up until recently, has now been settled, and they're now creating a TV angle out of it because a) the emotions behind it are real and it makes for great viewing and b) enough details have slipped into the public that they can now play the intriguing "is it real or not?" angle.

Regardless of the shoot/work division, it was still the promo of the year. So awesome. Love MJF.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by tomahawk

Seems weird to me that there are so many strong opinions about the MJF thing being either 100% shoot or 100% work.

People are acting like wrestling doesn't have a long history of letting real-life situations bleed into worked or semi-worked angles on a show. I'm thinking about: Road Warrior Hawk and his alcoholism, the Montreal Screwjob feeding tv-baddie Mr. McMahon, the Edge/Lita/Matt Hardy triangle, and on and on.

The educated guess here would be that the MJF-is-disgruntled-over-pay situation was very real, was possibly still real up until recently, has now been settled, and they're now creating a TV angle out of it because a) the emotions behind it are real and it makes for great viewing and b) enough details have slipped into the public that they can now play the intriguing "is it real or not?" angle.

Regardless of the shoot/work division, it was still the promo of the year. So awesome. Love MJF.

I will give MJF credit he is likely the best promo guy in the business right now. Also he stays in character all the time shows you how much he is committed to his craft.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I think you may of had my post confused. The past 6 weeks or whatever was definitely real, I think they are now turning it into a work (sorta like Punk's where there was a real chance he was going to leave but they made his feelings into a story).

The only problem will be that Kahn is a buffoon and shouldn't actually be involved since he can't cut a promo to save his life.

Yeah that's what I was stating...it was cleary real (him being upset/mad about his contract the past few months and no showing his meet and greet) ..and now they have "talked it out" and are "working" it into a storyline..

Shoot turned work..

I wad just saying, as the 1 poster said, there is a theory it was all a work from the beginning, but MJF just went into business for himself and didnt tell TK or ANY of the talent...

I don't believe it true, but anything is possible..and the under 5% chance it were true...he's the best damn character worker of all time to do it straight faced for 2 months and work EVERYBODY.

And again..either way, I don't care if im wrong or right...it was entertaining as hell and hopefully they don't screw it up

Originally Posted by packman80

Buddy you clearly are the idiot if you think this was ever a shoot. But then again you are an AEW mark and never will say a bad word against the company.

And this post clearly makes you look even more like an idiot...as you've never read ANY of my posts, hell even in my damn PPV review I "criticize" AEW...

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by packman80

Blood every week it gets boring and old. Do it every now and then in a big match it will add to the match. Doing it every week in regular match's waters down doing it.

Fine

But you’re legitimately, and weirdly, obsessed

Let it go

[rms13]

Originally Posted by tomahawk

Seems weird to me that there are so many strong opinions about the MJF thing being either 100% shoot or 100% work.

People are acting like wrestling doesn't have a long history of letting real-life situations bleed into worked or semi-worked angles on a show. I'm thinking about: Road Warrior Hawk and his alcoholism, the Montreal Screwjob feeding tv-baddie Mr. McMahon, the Edge/Lita/Matt Hardy triangle, and on and on.

The educated guess here would be that the MJF-is-disgruntled-over-pay situation was very real, was possibly still real up until recently, has now been settled, and they're now creating a TV angle out of it because a) the emotions behind it are real and it makes for great viewing and b) enough details have slipped into the public that they can now play the intriguing "is it real or not?" angle.

Regardless of the shoot/work division, it was still the promo of the year. So awesome. Love MJF.

They were discussing MJF contract on Keeping 100 last week. It seems like he has been legitimately pissed that they keep bringing in over the hill WWE guys and paying them 2-3x what he’s making. I assume they will just give him a raise and a title push to make him happy which seems justified. On a side note I have a MJF card on eBay on auction and suddenly got 5 bids after that promo.

[DonrussDean]

Hmmm

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[asujbl]

Sammy has had 2 fiancés within a 12 month period right? Or am I forgetting when the first one happened?

[jmarascojr]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Sammy has had 2 fiancés within a 12 month period right? Or am I forgetting when the first one happened?

Last August was the first one, on TV...

But a good number of people think it was just a swerve to deflect the heat he was getting for saying he'd like to r*pe Sasha Banks...

[Gurds]

Hope it's nothing real bad

https://twitter.com/CMPunk/status/15...kp_PI60Sg&s=19

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Sammy has had 2 fiancés within a 12 month period right? Or am I forgetting when the first one happened?

Originally Posted by jmarascojr

Last August was the first one, on TV...

But a good number of people think it was just a swerve to deflect the heat he was getting for saying he'd like to r*pe Sasha Banks...

I hadn't heard about the deflection stories...but yeah I think it's part of the reason fans started to "turn"/sour on him as a face...

I mean I don't keep up with their personal lives unless it's public/on dirt sheets..but I was surprised when Tay came to check on him during his match awhile ago as I had no idea they were a thing, and he was still engaged/married to the prior.

Long as they are happy I guess, that's all that matters

Originally Posted by Gurds

Hope it's nothing real bad

https://twitter.com/CMPunk/status/15...kp_PI60Sg&s=19

I hope not..I know injuries happen all the time unfortunately, but if it was long term planned for Punk to win and be champ during summer or longer, and now plans might be scrapped..

Hopefully it's not serious, there's 3 weeks until Forbidden Door...guess we'll find out in an hour or so

[Gurds]

Originally Posted by cdub6238

I hadn't heard about the deflection stories...but yeah I think it's part of the reason fans started to "turn"/sour on him as a face...



I mean I don't keep up with their personal lives unless it's public/on dirt sheets..but I was surprised when Tay came to check on him during his match awhile ago as I had no idea they were a thing, and he was still engaged/married to the prior.



Long as they are happy I guess, that's all that matters







I hope not..I know injuries happen all the time unfortunately, but if it was long term planned for Punk to win and be champ during summer or longer, and now plans might be scrapped..



Hopefully it's not serious, there's 3 weeks until Forbidden Door...guess we'll find out in an hour or so

Reading online it sounds like he might have a broken foot.

[beanman25]

CM PUNk huge announcement on rampage. Speculation has him relinquishing belt due to injury.

[Gurds]

Punk has a few broken bones in his foot. Needs surgery and will be out a while.

They are going to crown an interim champ while he's out.

[cdub6238]

Originally Posted by Gurds

Punk has a few broken bones in his foot. Needs surgery and will be out a while.

They are going to crown an interim champ while he's out.

I guess the good news, he looked to be moving ok, just said he was in pain...

So least it wasn't his ankle..and likely few bones on top and can be back sooner rather than later.

Not that I keep up with the "rankings", but is Mox #1 and that's why he's automatically in the match?

Or maybe they still want to have Okada wrestle at FD against maybe Danielson now?

Interesting to see who wins next week

[Mike Chase]

Damn that sucks about Punk but hopefully he can make it back before All Out.

[Jericho]

Interim Champion? Can Khan never be normal and just strip the injured champion of the belt and then whenever they're healthy they can come back and get a shot to get it back? I just think the "interim" tag devalues the belt and the next champion. Anyway, you hate to see injuries, but Im not surprised. Punk has looked old, slow and sloppy in a lot of his matches, he clearly isn't in wrestling shape. And like I said before, they should have just had Danielson beat Page months ago and you wouldnt have this problem. And when did Punk hurt his foot? The Hangman match? The 6 man on Dynamite? Or attempting to jump in the crowd before his match on Dynamite? Also, they said whoever wins between Moxley and the Battle Royal winner goes to Forbidden Door to try and win the belt. (assuming I heard that correctly) If thats the case, who are they facing at the PPV? I assume it wont be Tanahashi still