Top 10 Quarterbacks of All-Time

[chitownbears22]

Brady didn't score those TDs, the WR did, the RB did, the playcaller did, the center did, the OL blocking did!

[phinzphan1372]

Originally Posted by Bostonsports1

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man <-your argument in a nutshell, hopefully you can comprehend

this may the the only valid point ---

Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

Yes I may have simplified the SB argument ... but it does not make it any less valid


nice try


Now again, what have I said that was false?

[phinzphan1372]

Originally Posted by twisty571

I know the butthurt is strong with you over Brady because he is better then any QB to come thru Miami and has won a lot more games & SB's. Please just stop we all get the picture

Would you say Charles Haley is THE GREATEST football player in history?

[Bostonsports1]

Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

this may the the only valid point ---

Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.

Yes I may have simplified the SB argument ... but it does not make it any less valid


nice try


Now again, what have I said that was false?

Nothing you said was false, thats not the issue. It just that everything you said can be said about every QB in history. Its a team sport and takes a team to win. However its no coincidence that Brady has been to 6 and won 4; its because he is one of the best QBs ever. FACT

[phinzphan1372]

Originally Posted by Bostonsports1

Nothing you said was false, thats not the issue. It just that everything you said can be said about every QB in history. Its a team sport and takes a team to win. However its no coincidence that Brady has been to 6 and won 4; its because he is one of the best QBs ever. FACT

So the you would agree that Charles Haley is the greatest to ever play then?

[Bostonsports1]

Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

So the you would agree that Charles Haley is the greatest to ever play then?

I never said super bowl wins are the only measure??

[jasonm2121]

round and round we go

[ilovethelakings]

Goodness gracious. This thread would be many pages shorter if a few folks learned how to use the multi-quote function.

[SportsAutoFreak]

I pick Favre.

[Mikegioseffi]

1. brady
2. montana
3. elway


4. unitas
5. peyton
6. marino
7. favre
8. staubach
9. favre
10. bradshaw

to me brady and montana are 1 and 1a. think there is a decent gap between them and the rest of the field. based not only on stats but also SB and post season performance in general. edge goes to brady IMO because of the extra 2 appearences and the fact that his regular season stats are much better.
elway comes in third for me because of the numbers, great clutch perfomances and the rings. plus getting to that many SB's isnt easy. guy had some pretty bad rosters for the first few that he lost .

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by Mikegioseffi

1. brady
2. montana
3. elway


4. unitas
5. peyton
6. marino
7. favre
8. staubach
9. favre
10. bradshaw

to me brady and montana are 1 and 1a. think there is a decent gap between them and the rest of the field. based not only on stats but also SB and post season performance in general. edge goes to brady IMO because of the extra 2 appearences and the fact that his regular season stats are much better.
elway comes in third for me because of the numbers, great clutch perfomances and the rings. plus getting to that many SB's isnt easy. guy had some pretty bad rosters for the first few that he lost .

I agree with this. Yes Montana was the best in the Super Bowls, Brady better overall throughout his career when you factor in everything including Super Bowl performances.

[devo]

Just found this thread. I'm just gonna copy and paste what I said in the other thread about what my stance on this debate is.

Tom Brady will always have controversy surrounding his career, which automatically takes him out of contention for the true undisputed best of all time, IMO. To me, he is without a doubt still ONE OF the best of all time, but he will never be considered THE best. For all the Pats fans who use the "4 Super Bowl wins" argument, there will be twice as many football fans who say there should be an asterisk next to those wins. It's a shame, but that's just the way it is.

The Super Bowl wins argument is old anyway. NINE players won more championships than Michael Jordan in their NBA careers. How many people consider those players better than MJ? There may be a few Boston fans who try to argue Bill Russell over Jordan, but that's about it.

Many people make the case that Joe Montana had the best receiver of all time to throw to. Well, Brady has had one of the best coaches of all time on his side his entire career. Neither Montana nor Brady won those Super Bowls by themselves.

I'll take Peyton Manning any day. I've been fortunate enough to watch Montana, Marino, Favre, Elway, Brady, etc. play in their primes. But there's just always been something about the way Peyton plays the game that stands out. His football IQ is second to none, IMO. It's a shame he never had a defense behind him in Indy, or else I truly believe he would have won more SB's there.

In the end though, I don't think there is a definitive answer. You can't compare Montana to Brady, or Marino to Manning, etc. because they played in completely different eras of football.

***FYI: Before you all start crying and labeling me as a Pats/Brady hater, that couldn't be further from the truth. I grew up a Pats fan as a kid and then as I got older I stopped rooting for specific teams and just started watching football for the fun of it. Therefore, I have no dog in this fight. I have nothing personal against Tom Brady or the Patriots organization, and I'm about as unbiased as you can get because I don't have a specific favorite team.***

[RogerGodahell]

Give me the quarterback who wins most often that's who I want. I dont care about yards or touchdowns or big stats. And I would put Brady's field IQ equal to Manning's he does everything equally as well as far as reading defenses and changing the plays. If you dont think so then you haven't seen many Patriot games. Just because Manning flaps his arms around a lot making weird hand gestures, makes funny faces and yells Omaha 15 times doesn't means he's more mentally aware of what's going on. And Montana had Bill Walsh who is right up there with the all time greats. Jerry Rice used stickem and Montana benefited from that also. Manning chokes in the playoffs he has 9 one and dones, an 11-13 record. However great his brain is in the regular season it must shut off in the playoffs because he's a completely different quarterback. I don't hate Manning I think he is a great regular season stats machine. He is like Marino with a one super bowl advantage.

[devo]

Lol, I've seen just as many Patriots games if not more than many people here. Doesn't change my opinion. I still think Peyton has the better football IQ and I personally enjoy watching him more than Brady. Manning has never had a receiver the same caliber as Rice or even Randy Moss, nor has he ever had a coach on the same level as Bill Walsh or Belichick.

I remember watching an interview with a former Patriots offensive player (can't remember exactly who it was off the top of my head) who was part of all 3 Patriots Super Bowl teams in the early 00's. He said that he truly believed the Patriots still would have won those same Super Bowls with Manning as their QB. Those Patriots teams were solid all around. Everyone makes it sound like Brady won those Super Bowls by himself. That's just not the case. Hell, Adam Vinatieri was the one who came up in the clutch and kicked game winning field goals in 2 of those 3 SB's. You could make the case that he was just as valuable, if not more valuable in those Super Bowl games than Brady.

[Cades]

Originally Posted by devo

Lol, I've seen just as many Patriots games if not more than many people here. Doesn't change my opinion. I still think Peyton has the better football IQ and I personally enjoy watching him more than Brady. Manning has never had a receiver the same caliber as Rice or even Randy Moss, nor has he ever had a coach on the same level as Bill Walsh or Belichick.

I remember watching an interview with a former Patriots offensive player (can't remember exactly who it was off the top of my head) who was part of all 3 Patriots Super Bowl teams in the early 00's. He said that he truly believed the Patriots still would have won those same Super Bowls with Manning as their QB. Those Patriots teams were solid all around. Everyone makes it sound like Brady won those Super Bowls by himself. That's just not the case. Hell, Adam Vinatieri was the one who came up in the clutch and kicked game winning field goals in 2 of those 3 SB's. You could make the case that he was just as valuable, if not more valuable in those Super Bowl games than Brady.

LMAO, brady had moss for what a year and a half, if that?

Manning had someone you may have heard of in Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne wasn't too bad either, if I recall correctly, you may have heard of Edgerrin James too, he was a pretty good RB.

He sure as hell came up clutch on those FG's and everyone loves him. But unless he can kick it 90 yards, somebody drove them down the field in clutch time to get them in FG range with enough time left to kick a FG.

[RogerGodahell]

754 yards 7 touchdowns 0 interceptions 124.7 passer rating through 2 games. The Tom Brady Revenge Tour Continues....

[FreeMan12406]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

754 yards 7 touchdowns 0 interceptions 124.7 passer rating through 2 games. The Tom Brady Revenge Tour Continues....

But...but...it's Adam Vinatari out there throwing those touchdowns!

[Jay9Suited]

Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

754 yards 7 touchdowns 0 interceptions 124.7 passer rating through 2 games. The Tom Brady Revenge Tour Continues....

Kraft wants Brady to win MVP this year, just another middle finger to Roger. I watched both games and they are throwing a lot more than usual.. And I love it!!

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by Jay9Suited

Kraft wants Brady to win MVP this year, just another middle finger to Roger. I watched both games and they are throwing a lot more than usual.. And I love it!!

It's not just MVP. Brady's going for records this year. All of them.

[jasonm2121]

Brady and Montana (Brady when all said and done)

The Rest

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by jasonm2121

Brady and Montana (Brady when all said and done)

The Rest

This is a good one..... Rodgers has a 4:1 TD-INT ratio for his career with nearly 250 TD's, two MVP's, and a SB (with potentially 7-8 years left on his career)....... He may or may not be better than Brady for some people when it's said and done.... but to ever refer to him as "the rest"..... yea definitely not accurate

[JCC]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

This is a good one..... Rodgers has a 4:1 TD-INT ratio for his career with nearly 250 TD's, two MVP's, and a SB (with potentially 7-8 years left on his career)....... He may or may not be better than Brady for some people when it's said and done.... but to ever refer to him as "the rest"..... yea definitely not accurate

Very accurate actually. We are talking about career accolades, not projections. If he plays at this level for the next 7 years and gets a couple more Super Bowls, then that's a different conversation. He just doesn't have the longevity yet to be considered in the same breath as Brady or Montana. Right now he is with the rest.

[IamRalpho]

I dunno what my favorite part of this thread is:

1. Someone saying Peyton Manning didnt have the weapons Tom Brady did. Or a WR as good as Randy Moss (Well true but Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne are both going to the Hall of Fame, Peyton had two stud WR's for a long time, Brady had Moss for 1 1/2 years)
2. Getting mad Aaron Rodgers is listed as "other" even though he isnt better than Tom Brady yet, but he should be listed? Confusing.
3. Someone discounting Jerry Rice, or discounting Tom Brady because he had Gronk where as Montana "only" had Jerry Rice. I think. Again, confusing.
4. Admitting and getting caught with cheating are TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

5. My personal favorite "Tom Brady didnt win those Super Bowls, Adam Vinatieri did" so his accomplishments and status is discredited because he only drove them down the field but didnt score to win it.