Will BBCE authenticated items take a dip?

[ninjacookies]

If you're even remotely familiar with Logan, you'd know that 95% of what he's involved in/ touches is fraudulent.

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

If you're even remotely familiar with Logan, you'd know that 95% of what he's involved in/ touches is fraudulent.

Sounds like the only thing Logan did wrong, truly, was have faith in a fraudulent company like BBCE. Lesson learned by him, I'm sure.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by dizzydolse

Sounds like the only thing Logan did wrong, truly, was have faith in a fraudulent company like BBCE. Lesson learned by him, I'm sure.

did you read what Ninja wrote? lol

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by dizzydolse

Sounds like the only thing Logan did wrong, truly, was have faith in a fraudulent company like BBCE. Lesson learned by him, I'm sure.

ROFL, posting this like they are some basement grading company…..

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

ROFL, posting this like they are some basement grading company…..

If BBCE wants to continue building a best in the hobby reputation then the company should stop authenticating unsealed, non-FASC boxes without providing some kind of disclaimer. If that means no longer getting a premium simply by wrapping everything in BBCE wrap, so be it. Without a crystal ball there's just no way to guarantee boxes that were never factory sealed.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

If BBCE wants to continue building a best in the hobby reputation then the company should stop authenticating unsealed, non-FASC boxes without providing some kind of disclaimer. If that means no longer getting a premium simply by wrapping everything in BBCE wrap, so be it. Without a crystal ball there's just no way to guarantee boxes that were never factory sealed.

The last I checked, they wont wrap boxes that previously came factory wrapped. So basically all of modern is tossed out anyway. Steve inspects the seal on every pack of every wax box he wraps. The market will speak when it comes to BBCE wrapped factory sealed cases. Watching Goldin auctions and the hammer prices will speak volumes of how much this Pokemon issue impacts their prices.

I believe they have it under control and their sports boxes will still get a premium. There is a market for unopened wax boxes authenticated by BBCE and that wont change even with this Pokemon debacle. The alternative is blindly buying crap on eBay, buying from RVP, Larry Fritsch or Reed's Finds(D&A Card World).

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by pip

You shouldn't authenticate what you don't know. SGC ended its autograph division after it authenticated a smack of bogus "autographed" T206s. Maybe it's time for PSA to cut loose its Pokemon authentication/grading division until they figure out what the hell they're doing.

My gut feeling is that the problem here isn't just due to inexperience though. I think it is a failure in protocol. Too much weight was given to the opinions of compromised "experts" and lucrative authentication fees and not enough attention was directed to the actual task of authentication.

If this doesn't prove that BBCE can be compromised, I don't know what does.

Pokemon cards are fine. Pokemon wax is not. With Steve openly admitting he doesn’t know what he’s doing with Pokemon wax, it would be best if PSA suspended grading of TCG packs.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

The last I checked, they wont wrap boxes that previously came factory wrapped.

Your memory is short. You posted in this thread. It will be publicly available this year.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1493418

[grade]

BBCE should be alright for sports cards as long as that Harley Davidson was not what it seems to be.

[blackbears86]

I'm surprised at the people piling on BBCE here.


Yes, Steve made a HUGE mistake and it's amplified by the fact it was an expensive case and it's Jake Paul.


I can only speak from my experience with BBCE.

1. years ago I submitted a 1977 topps wax box for wrapping. Steve personally called me and took the time to explain to me how it wasn't legit.
2. He also declined two rack packs from me that weren't legit a few years ago.



I think he also deemed a huge collection of 1970's unopened wax fake (this was on another popular board last year if I remember correctly)



So yes, he massively dropped the ball with this, but I still would go him for sports/vintage unopened authentication.



edit: he should have stayed in his lane and stuck to sports.
2nd edit: maybe short term items will take a dip, but who else would you go to if you had a 1975 topps baseball wax box you wanted authenticated?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I'm surprised at the people piling on BBCE here.


Yes, Steve made a HUGE mistake and it's amplified by the fact it was an expensive case and it's Jake Paul.


I can only speak from my experience with BBCE.

1. years ago I submitted a 1977 topps wax box for wrapping. Steve personally called me and took the time to explain to me how it wasn't legit.
2. He also declined two rack packs from me that weren't legit a few years ago.



I think he also deemed a huge collection of 1970's unopened wax fake (this was on another popular board last year if I remember correctly)



So yes, he massively dropped the ball with this, but I still would go him for sports/vintage unopened authentication.



edit: he should have stayed in his lane and stuck to sports.

Why are you surprised? In mid 2020 the guy admitted in writing to not knowing anything about Pokemon, and not being willing to authenticate a 1st Edition Base Booster. And in 2021 he’s “authenticating” the holy grail of Pokemon collectibles.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Why are you surprised? In mid 2020 the guy admitted in writing to not knowing anything about Pokemon, and not being willing to authenticate a 1st Edition Base Booster. And in 2021 he’s “authenticating” the holy grail of Pokemon collectibles.

like I said, he should have stayed in his lane and stuck to sports only, but he let greed get to him.


Who else are you going to go to if you have an unopened wax box you want authenticated?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

like I said, he should have stayed in his lane and stuck to sports only, but he let greed get to him.


Who else are you going to go to if you have an unopened wax box you want authenticated?

That’s a different topic.

Steve needs to reveal how much he was paid to authenticate the case, how he went about authenticating the case, and if he has ever authenticated Pokemon boxes or cases before. Did he just make a careless mistake, or did he lower his standards for authenticating this because of what it is?

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

That’s a different topic.

Steve needs to reveal how much he was paid to authenticate the case, how he went about authenticating the case, and if he has ever authenticated Pokemon boxes or cases before. Did he just make a careless mistake, or did he lower his standards for authenticating this because of what it is?

agree.

If I was him, I would come clean and disclose everything.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Your memory is short. You posted in this thread. It will be publicly available this year.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1493418

Eh, good find, I recall it was mentioned somewhere but I couldn't find it on their website. Technically they still aren't but I would imagine this wont get rolled out until 2nd quarter of this year at the minimum in light of recent events.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Steve needs to reveal how much he was paid to authenticate the case, how he went about authenticating the case, and if he has ever authenticated Pokemon boxes or cases before. Did he just make a careless mistake, or did he lower his standards for authenticating this because of what it is?

I would imagine it's 10% of his buy price like everything else. In this case, 10% of the original buy price and I believe that was disclosed by the two guys that brought it to his shop at about $100k? So $10,000. That should be close enough. I wonder if he does have someone on staff that looks at the Pokemon packs seals and wasn't qualified to inspect this case. Who really is? I do believe an official statement is in order though.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I would imagine it's 10% of his buy price like everything else. In this case, 10% of the original buy price and I believe that was disclosed by the two guys that brought it to his shop at about $100k? So $10,000. That should be close enough. I wonder if he does have someone on staff that looks at the Pokemon packs seals and wasn't qualified to inspect this case. I do believe an official statement is in order though.

The original sale price has not been disclosed. For obvious reasons.

[jmsodpc]

Bbce probably charged his max fee of $5k

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I would imagine it's 10% of his buy price like everything else. In this case, 10% of the original buy price and I believe that was disclosed by the two guys that brought it to his shop at about $100k? So $10,000. That should be close enough. I wonder if he does have someone on staff that looks at the Pokemon packs seals and wasn't qualified to inspect this case. Who really is? I do believe an official statement is in order though.

Nobody ever released the actual sale price.

I believe I heard it was 6 figures and more (much more?) than the original ebay sale, which was for 72k or so.

It could be $100k or 900K.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by CanadianKid

Does PSA care, is the money too good to axe them? Its not like they can turn things around tomorrow and become experts you can trust. Too much funny business with them according to leaked info.

PSA could hold off on grading Pokemon packs but as stated, how hard is it to inspect a foil pack to see if it was resealed or not? I would think most on this board that's familiar with opening foil packs can do that. Counterfeits seem to be an issue though. Also, who else is out there that can do the job PSA does? Does this effect consumer confidence? Sure, it does. Will it effect it enough that people stop sending in $5 packs for $50 to resell at $120....doubt it. Heck, for those casual hobbyists, they might read the headline that says "Jake Paul duped in fake Pokemon case" and their initial response will be "Haha, F**k Jake Paul". If this was Tom Holland, this would be a disaster for both BBCE and PSA.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The original sale price has not been disclosed. For obvious reasons.

Originally Posted by mc1

Nobody ever released the actual sale price.

I believe I heard it was 6 figures and more (much more?) than the original ebay sale, which was for 72k or so.

It could be $100k or 900K.

Nobody touched it on eBay for $75k base on that video the two Pokie heavy set guys released, so it had to be in that area somewhere. Khal, you're good at finding stuff, someone posted the link here.

[grade]

Originally Posted by jmsodpc

Bbce probably charged his max fee of $5k

+ a Harley possibly ?

[SupermanBrandon]

Think Meely’s can help me get my sealed Poke case authenticated?




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[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by grade

+ a Harley possibly ?

That's just too off the wall man. That information was given to a Pokie YT guy by a guy that called a local dealership that gave the information to said random guy. Oh, the Pokie YT guy said it was only his opinion and he can't verify any of it. Haha

So ask yourself, what respectable dealership is going to share customer details to a random person over the phone?

[HarryLime]

Man, this is bananas. I haven't kept up with this thread because, as I imagined, it turned into exactly what it is. But damn, there are a whole lot of people that don't know jack diddly squat about authenticating unopened product that have no problem assuming their ignorance applies to everyone else and it's their duty to tell the world all about it.

Then again, that pretty much sums up the whole internet.

Arthur