Official 2021-22 Big Ten Basketball Thread

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by brett06

That was very poor officiating on both ends!! Not a fan of that in a rivalry game. Very much agree with you

First half was pretty solid officiating wise. Unsure what happened in the second half, but so many touchy calls on both sides. There was a stretch where there was a foul called on both ends every time down the floor. In a great game like that was, I hate seeing so many whistles

[rats60]

Originally Posted by indyguy

Please show all of us a list of games this season where a team has put their end of bench guys in and the other team has not.

Since it happens so frequently, this should be easy for you.

Michigan- Wisconsin

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by indyguy

Please show all of us a list of games this season where a team has put their end of bench guys in and the other team has not.

Since it happens so frequently, this should be easy for you.

There has been more than one Gophers game this season where the Gophers put their bench in while down and the team ahead, kept their starters in.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by CC_123

There has been more than one Gophers game this season where the Gophers put their bench in while down and the team ahead, kept their starters in.

1. Minnesota 78 - Purdue Fort Wayne 49
10 guys played for PFW. All 10 played 9 minutes or more.

I would say this claim doesn't fit the narrative of what happened in the UM/UW game.

2. Minnesota 72 - Green Bay 56
9 guys played for GB. Only one played less than 10 minutes.

I would say this claim doesn't fit the narrative of what happened in the UM/UW game.

3. Illinois 76 - Minnesota 53
12 guys played for Illinois. 3 played 2-4 minutes and everyone else played 9 or more.

Minnesota had 11 guys play. Three saw 2-5 minutes and three saw 11-14 minutes.

I would say this claim doesn't fit the same narrative of what happened in the UM/UW game.

4. IU/Minnesota - final score was 13 point difference, but it was just 10 at 1:27 left, so that doesn't fit.

5. Purdue/Minnesota - 15 point difference, but neither team emptied the bench.

6. Ohio State 70 - Minnesota 45
only 10 guys played for Minnesota. 2 were end of bench types and played 2 and 3 minutes respectively.

Ohio State played 11 guys. 3 of them played 2-5 minutes.

I would say this claim doesn't fit the same narrative of what happened in the UM/UW game.

7. Penn State 67 - Minnesota 46
only 10 guys played for Minnesota. 3 were end of bench types and two played 3 minutes and one played 7.

Penn State played 14 guys and 7 of them played 2-7 minutes each. One played 12.

I would say this claim doesn't fit the same narrative of what happened in the UM/UW game.

8. Minnesota 77 - Northwestern 60
Northwestern played 12 guys. Two played 3 minutes. One played 7.

Minnesota played 11 guys. 6 played 1-8 minutes.

I would say this claim doesn't fit the same narrative of what happened in the UM/UW game.

You can view all the subs for each game in the play-by-play: https://gophersports.com/sports/mens...hedule/2021-22

I only looked at games that were 13 point difference or more, to try and get as close to the same end game as the UM/UW game.

If there is a specific game you are referring to, let me know.

[CC_123]

Gophers ALMOST pulled out the 27 point comeback last night. Lost by 5, but the comeback was a ton of fun. If only they played the first 34 minutes like they did the final 6

[Bretsky]

Let's go Boilers! (at least for tonight)

[brett06]

Originally Posted by Bretsky

Let's go Boilers! (at least for tonight)

I think wisc loses. They are not as good at home as they are on the road. I’d love for them to win though! Big game for sure. If they win tonight that should put them in 2 seed consideration without a doubt. My guess is Purdue 76 wisc 69

[Bretsky]

Originally Posted by brett06

I think wisc loses. They are not as good at home as they are on the road. I’d love for them to win though! Big game for sure. If they win tonight that should put them in 2 seed consideration without a doubt. My guess is Purdue 76 wisc 69

If wisky wins tonight they win the B10 because no way they lose to Nebraska this weekend. If Purdue wins then we will likley have a three way tie for Big Ten Champs. Personally I could care less about the tournament as all three are basically locked for a top 4 seed and first round bye.

[lambeauleap87]

Ohio State has looked really bad lately. Would be nice if they can get healthy, but they have a lot of guys who just aren't very good (looking at you Meechie Johnson and Justin Ahrens).

[brett06]

What an exciting game! The last 2 minutes were amazing!

[CC_123]

I'm probably in the minority here, but Wisconsin, while good, has kinda seemed like the 2018 Virginia team (who lost to a 16 seed) where everything has bounced their way in the regular season. Again, they are good, but I just sense annearly exit in the NCAAs

[chompie99]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

Ohio State has looked really bad lately. Would be nice if they can get healthy, but they have a lot of guys who just aren't very good (looking at you Meechie Johnson and Justin Ahrens).

In their defense, it would be more difficult to get up for a game with Nebraska as the Huskers have underachieved all year and have given up on some games. Glad to see Nebraska put together any semblance of a win streak though. At Wisconsin on Sunday to close regular season. I realize I’m the only one who cares.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I'm probably in the minority here, but Wisconsin, while good, has kinda seemed like the 2018 Virginia team (who lost to a 16 seed) where everything has bounced their way in the regular season. Again, they are good, but I just sense annearly exit in the NCAAs

Hard to disagree, but we'll take whatever we can. If i'm not mistaken, they were picked to finish 10th or 11th in the big ten this year pre season, and here they are. The fact that they have won so many games by 5 points or less show that they are a good but not great team, but have found a way to get it done. Anything can happen in the tourney, a first or second round loss or a deep run, cant wait to see what happens. Hard not to say that Gard is the coach of the year given where they are and where they were expected. I'm sure Juwan Howard would disagree tho

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I'm probably in the minority here, but Wisconsin, while good, has kinda seemed like the 2018 Virginia team (who lost to a 16 seed) where everything has bounced their way in the regular season. Again, they are good, but I just sense annearly exit in the NCAAs

All the Big 10 teams feel this way to me. There aren't any teams I'd be scared of come tournament time.

[brett06]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I'm probably in the minority here, but Wisconsin, while good, has kinda seemed like the 2018 Virginia team (who lost to a 16 seed) where everything has bounced their way in the regular season. Again, they are good, but I just sense annearly exit in the NCAAs

Also was one of the toughest schedules too. So a close win over a good team at home and on the road is a very good team. They lack good 3pt shooting but have many guys that can flat out beat you. Virginia was very good defensively wisconsin is not, so unsure about that comparison. I don’t think they win it but I think it’ll take a team to really push them. If Jonny Davis played vs providence, that woulda more than likely been another win. I think after that win last night, confidence is booming. They’ll be fine in the ncaa tourney.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I'm probably in the minority here, but Wisconsin, while good, has kinda seemed like the 2018 Virginia team (who lost to a 16 seed) where everything has bounced their way in the regular season. Again, they are good, but I just sense annearly exit in the NCAAs

I agree. I see them as a 2-15 or 3-14 upset.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by brett06

Also was one of the toughest schedules too.

Not really. The combined conference W/L of their conference schedule is 8 games below .500. So a pretty average to slightly easier schedule than other teams.

[Packer4Rob]

Originally Posted by rats60

Not really. The combined conference W/L of their conference schedule is 8 games below .500. So a pretty average to slightly easier schedule than other teams.

looking at their strength of schedule rating compared to all other schools, they rank 10th. They did play Providence, Marquette, Houston and St Mary's, all tourney teams in non-conference, and lost only to Providence and johnny Davis didnt play that game. Like most teams in the tourney, they could be one and done, or go a long way.

[brett06]

Originally Posted by rats60

Not really. The combined conference W/L of their conference schedule is 8 games below .500. So a pretty average to slightly easier schedule than other teams.

St. Mary’s, providence, Marquette, Houston. Plus all the ranked big ten teams throughout the year, is what I was referring to, not just the big ten conf. I’d say that’s more than slightly above average. I think there SOS is still top 15 no?

[brett06]

Originally Posted by rats60

I agree. I see them as a 2-15 or 3-14 upset.

Can we wager PayPal? If ur feeling confident I’m down if you are.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by brett06

St. Mary’s, providence, Marquette, Houston. Plus all the ranked big ten teams throughout the year, is what I was referring to, not just the big ten conf. I’d say that’s more than slightly above average. I think there SOS is still top 15 no?

I personally don't care about their SOS when I look at their Luck ranking and see it ranked #1 in all of NCAA with a 6.7 with the second being Providence with a 5.9. That to me, shows that they are a good, lucky team versus being a great team. They are a strong candidate for a first weekend exit of the NCAA. Could they make it past that? Sure, but I think the fall in the 2nd round.

[brett06]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I personally don't care about their SOS when I look at their Luck ranking and see it ranked #1 in all of NCAA with a 6.7 with the second being Providence with a 5.9. That to me, shows that they are a good, lucky team versus being a great team. They are a strong candidate for a first weekend exit of the NCAA. Could they make it past that? Sure, but I think the fall in the 2nd round.

Luck ranking lol? They led Purdue a top 10 season all long for 38 plus minutes. Most of their games they lead 35 plus. Had no idea leading a basketball game for 90+% of it was luck. This is arguably the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Do I think they are a championship team no. I mean this season there’s no really strong team. I think we agree there. But will they make a solid run, I do believe so. Road wins on the road in the big ten are tough. Yet they had 1 road loss. I don’t think that’s luck. If that’s the case, I guess every team is lucky. I mean I’m thinking after this it’s been a lucky last 20 years for badger basketball…..

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by brett06

Luck ranking lol? They led Purdue a top 10 season all long for 38 plus minutes. Most of their games they lead 35 plus. Had no idea leading a basketball game for 90+% of it was luck. This is arguably the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Do I think they are a championship team no. I mean this season there’s no really strong team. I think we agree there. But will they make a solid run, I do believe so. Road wins on the road in the big ten are tough. Yet they had 1 road loss. I don’t think that’s luck. If that’s the case, I guess every team is lucky. I mean I’m thinking after this it’s been a lucky last 20 years for badger basketball…..

I didnt read all of this because you clearly dont realize that there is a Luck Ranking system for NCAA basketball and it is viewed in high regards, especially by NCAA basketball analysts (https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-ba.../luck-by-other). It has nothing to do with last nights game in particular, but more so the season as a whole. Luck ranking is real and Wisconsin is #1 in it. They are a good team, but a lucky team as well. Everything from the eye test to the analytics point to an early upset in the NCAA. I understand you are a fan of them so you'll never view it impartial.

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I didnt read all of this because you clearly dont realize that there is a Luck Ranking system for NCAA basketball and it is viewed in high regards, especially by NCAA basketball analysts (https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-ba.../luck-by-other). It has nothing to do with last nights game in particular, but more so the season as a whole. Luck ranking is real and Wisconsin is #1 in it. They are a good team, but a lucky team as well. Everything from the eye test to the analytics point to an early upset in the NCAA. I understand you are a fan of them so you'll never view it impartial.

What analysts hold this in high regard? I don't recall hearing anyone pump a team's luck ranking.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by brett06

Luck ranking lol? They led Purdue a top 10 season all long for 38 plus minutes. Most of their games they lead 35 plus. Had no idea leading a basketball game for 90+% of it was luck. This is arguably the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Do I think they are a championship team no. I mean this season there’s no really strong team. I think we agree there. But will they make a solid run, I do believe so. Road wins on the road in the big ten are tough. Yet they had 1 road loss. I don’t think that’s luck. If that’s the case, I guess every team is lucky. I mean I’m thinking after this it’s been a lucky last 20 years for badger basketball…..

Lol. They won on a bank shot.