First Buzz: 2021-22 Topps UEFA Champions League soccer cards

[k13]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

where on earth has this "40 goals a season" benchmark come from all of a sudden?

I only ever see people on trading card forums and social media peddling it - it's absolutely bizarre

Because no one cares otherwise.
Because the whole market is Ronaldo/Messi.
Because mostly only strikers/atrackers matter.

Its like that in other sports too.
Better hit 40hrs and be young.
Have to be qb and be young.
Average 30ppg and be young.
Score 40+ goals and be young nhl.

Everything else is mostly fodder long term.


Unfortunately Messi/Ronaldo/Lewandowski put up such numbers recently that's impossible for the next generation to live up to.

That's why mbappe/haaland get such premium because they are seen as the only hope and young.

These Gavi's, Pedri's, boko, moko, soko, etc. will never do anything noteworthy long term. Fun to speculate but it will be like baseball trying to chase the next Trout.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by k13

Because no one cares otherwise.
Because the whole market is Ronaldo/Messi.
Because mostly only strikers/atrackers matter.

Its like that in other sports too.
Better hit 40hrs and be young.
Have to be qb and be young.
Average 30ppg and be young.
Score 40+ goals and be young nhl.

Everything else is mostly fodder long term.


Unfortunately Messi/Ronaldo/Lewandowski put up such numbers recently that's impossible for the next generation to live up to.

That's why mbappe/haaland get such premium because they are seen as the only hope and young.

These Gavi's, Pedri's, boko, moko, soko, etc. will never do anything noteworthy long term. Fun to speculate but it will be like baseball trying to chase the next Trout.

so in short, idiots then.

[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by k13

5000 cases is not a lot if you have a collector base/demand.

Hockey does 10k-20k cases for flagship paper base now and demand is there and how popular is hockey to soccer?

There's no draft in soccer so there's no #1 picks and same hype/process just people talking up young prospects that will be busts anyway. No one will score 40 goals a year so who cares about them long term.

Given the comparison you either are vastly misunderstanding the bigger picture of hockey and soccer production (and my point) or you are being intentionally contrarian.

Or maybe you think this production for this product at a premium price makes sense. In which case you’re going to love what Topps has lined up for the rest of 2022 and I look forward to reading your positive commentary to lift us all up and see the bright side. Like usual.

[k13]

Originally Posted by reddragonthe

Given the comparison you either are vastly misunderstanding the bigger picture of hockey and soccer production (and my point) or you are being intentionally contrarian.

Or maybe you think this production for this product at a premium price makes sense. In which case you’re going to love what Topps has lined up for the rest of 2022 and I look forward to reading your positive commentary to lift us all up and see the bright side. Like usual.

Price of hobby box is about the same for hockey/soccer paper flagship.

But in hockey the base rookies sell for $200/$150/$100/$50/etc.
What's the highest selling paper base rookie from this set?

In theory these boxes should be $50 or less or hockey should be 2x-3x price.

[fadster]

This nonsense is so exhausting to read, polluting thread after thread.

[cuch2]

Bought 10 blasters knowing full well the product wasn't great. But still a pretty fun rip. 5 from BJ's, 2 from Lids, 3 from Topps.com. Pulled a Gavi sparkle foil so that saved the rip. Only other sparkles of note were Mbappe, Foden Lewandowski and Fati. #'d foils run together. I got 5 total, best being Ronaldo and Reyna yellows to 250. 3 foils were in 1 box, 2 foils in another. Based on the last 3 I opened today, I should i have close to one complete set.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by cuch2

5 from BJ's

Online or in store?

[cuch2]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

Online or in store?

Online. Was available for about 10 minutes.


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[mfw13]

Originally Posted by k13

Because no one cares otherwise.
Because the whole market is Ronaldo/Messi.
Because mostly only strikers/atrackers matter.

Its like that in other sports too.
Better hit 40hrs and be young.
Have to be qb and be young.
Average 30ppg and be young.
Score 40+ goals and be young nhl.

Everything else is mostly fodder long term.


Unfortunately Messi/Ronaldo/Lewandowski put up such numbers recently that's impossible for the next generation to live up to.

That's why mbappe/haaland get such premium because they are seen as the only hope and young.

These Gavi's, Pedri's, boko, moko, soko, etc. will never do anything noteworthy long term. Fun to speculate but it will be like baseball trying to chase the next Trout.

You're talking about flippers/investors....

Actual collectors have a wide variety of collecting interests...

[k13]

Originally Posted by mfw13

You're talking about flippers/investors....

Actual collectors have a wide variety of collecting interests...

Yeah but there are so few of them and with high prices of everything it is hard just being a collector.

[jus bert]

Got my box in from Topps.com pulled this lil guy 1/1 foilfractor

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by jus bert

Got my box in from Topps.com pulled this lil guy 1/1 foilfractor

good looking card.


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[BRob1]

do we know print run on starball?


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[reddragonthe]

Originally Posted by BRob1

do we know print run on starball?


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~2500

[mfw13]

Welll.....opened my two hobby boxes ($100 each), and although I didn't do great in terms of players, did well in terms of beating the odds.

Built my complete base set, although it took me until the final pack of the second box to do it.

Best Starball was Pulisic.....nobody else of note.

Box 1 hits were an Aqua foil #/299 (1:40) and a Yellow foil #/250 (1:48)

Box 2 was very good oddwise....a Perfection (1:144), a Sergino Dest Gold Starball (1:151), an SP (1:94), and an Icy Blue foil #99 (1:77).

Overall a very enjoyable rip at a fairly reasonable price...

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Welll.....opened my two hobby boxes ($100 each), and although I didn't do great in terms of players, did well in terms of beating the odds.

Built my complete base set, although it took me until the final pack of the second box to do it.

Best Starball was Pulisic.....nobody else of note.

Box 1 hits were an Aqua foil #/299 (1:40) and a Yellow foil #/250 (1:48)

Box 2 was very good oddwise....a Perfection (1:144), a Sergino Dest Gold Starball (1:151), an SP (1:94), and an Icy Blue foil #99 (1:77).

Overall a very enjoyable rip at a fairly reasonable price...

how many starballs per box?


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[mfw13]

Originally Posted by BRob1

how many starballs per box?

Eight per box....just like the odds stated....

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Eight per box....just like the odds stated....

nice. any condition issues to watch out for on the starball (or in general) when buying singles or are they pretty clean?


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[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by BRob1

nice. any condition issues to watch out for on the starball (or in general) when buying singles or are they pretty clean?


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Base starballs have been pretty clean from my box breaks. Parallels are the last one or two cards in the pack and susceptible to back corner issues as well as the standard foil chipping/dog ear issues

[YayNJ]

I opened four hobby boxes and six blasters last night for a laugh. Quality control is pretty bad. Every numbered card I managed to pull was either chipped, had a print line or a dog eared corner.

Starballs and speckles were better, but going by rookies and megastars only I put aside 10 cards (8 rookies, 2 haaland) out of all the boxes that are worth sending off to grade. Sadly the best cards are Pedro Goncalves, Cole Palmer, James McAtee and Liam Delap lol.

I didn't look at base, that will all go in my wood burner.

[The Accountant]

Speaking of which if anyone is interested in unpicked base card lots, HMU

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

I didn't look at base, that will all go in my wood burner.

What a shame....this is the best base card soccer design Topps has come up with for several years. Give them to a local school or Boys/Girls club instead.....

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by mfw13

What a shame....this is the best base card soccer design Topps has come up with for several years. Give them to a local school or Boys/Girls club instead.....

I was joking. My four year old is now the proud owner of tens of Giorgio Scalvini and Takuhiro Nakai cards.

[kyleuk21]

Posted my two case rip in the breaks section in case anyone is curious to see:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1516687

[mikee1186]

Thanks for sharing - looks like you definitely did above average!