MLB Heading To A Lockout

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Not sure why the owners would lock the players out now...since nobody is missing any paychecks, they don't gain any negotiating leverage by doing so....

From the Fangraphs article posted above:

A lockout provides ownership with several benefits. First, it moves the timeline for a work stoppage up into the offseason — rather than allowing the players to strike mid-season — thereby minimizing the number of games that are likely to be cancelled as a result of the labor dispute (and thus reducing the potential ticket sales and television revenue that will be lost).

A lockout also potentially provides the owners with added bargaining leverage over the players. By preventing free agents from signing, players from reporting to spring training, and ultimately paychecks from being deposited, the longer that a lockout goes on, the greater the likelihood becomes that a portion of the MLBPA membership begins to pressure union leadership to relent to the owners’ demands.

[speedyjg13]

Long story short... did the lock out happen or not?

[trixstar]

Looks like it’s official.

https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/statu...676314625?s=21

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Looks like it’s official.

https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/statu...676314625?s=21

Oh NO!!!!!!!

[speedyjg13]

Letter from the commissioner

Https://www.mlb.com/news/featured/a-...-baseball-fans

[anusinha]

No one really cares until games are missed

[mwash1983]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Letter from the commissioner

Https://www.mlb.com/news/featured/a-...-baseball-fans

Typical arrogant response from a guy known as a d-bag since his day as a student in Rome NY. I know someone who’s husband went to school with him, was same d-bag then at the top of his class.

[oplum29]

so the Braves were the last baseball team to win the World Series before greed killed the sport of professional baseball?

yessssss!!!!!!!!

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

Typical arrogant response from a guy known as a d-bag since his day as a student in Rome NY. I know someone who’s husband went to school with him, was same d-bag then at the top of his class.

Yup... worst commissioner MLB and its fans have ever had to endure.

[fabiani12333]

The only major leverage the players have in negotiations beyond postseason expansion is a willingness to hold out the whole season. If they truly feel the owners are screwing them, they'll make the tough choice to refuse to work.

Beyond that, these negotiations are an exercise and performative.

[ucLAkers]

Feel bad for the farmers…they already missed 2020.

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Letter from the commissioner

Https://www.mlb.com/news/featured/a-...-baseball-fans

Like anyone gives a Flying F%#$ what this piece of excrement has to say…

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by mc1

Breakdown by age?

Im assuming baseball has a higher median and average fan age.

How many baseball fans will be literally dead 10-15 years from now. Because theyre old, you know. Hate to be that blunt.

This has been a discussion point for a decade, and yet baseball’s revenue keeps increasing and talented baseball players continue entering the league in hoards. And where I live, I still see plenty of Giants, A’s and (unfortunately) Dodgers hats n’ shirts—and it’s not the elderly wearing them.


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[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by JRX

I'm just curious how this all works. Does it just take a majority of owners to start the lockout, is it automatic because the cba expires? Could an owner not lock out their players if they didn't want to?

Owners voted unanimously to lock out the players. I'm not sure what the threshold is, but I'm sure 1 or 2 stragglers couldn't stop it. Much like the players, they pretty much move in unison.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Feel bad for the farmers…they already missed 2020.

They can play. MILB is non union.

[TheHeel]

I hope the players take the league to the cleaners.

[goldfly]

greedy ass owners

[fulltritty]

We offered to establish a minimum payroll for all clubs to meet for the first time in baseball history; to allow the majority of players to reach free agency earlier through an age-based system that would eliminate any claims of service time manipulation; and to increase compensation for all young players, including increases in the minimum salary. When negotiations lacked momentum, we tried to create some by offering to accept the universal Designated Hitter, to create a new draft system using a lottery similar to other leagues, and to increase the Competitive Balance Tax threshold that affects only a small number of teams.

Every one of these seems to benefit the players, so what isn't Manfred being honest with the fans about?

We have had challenges before with respect to making labor agreements and have overcome those challenges every single time during my tenure. Regrettably, it appears the Players Association came to the bargaining table with a strategy of confrontation over compromise. They never wavered from collectively the most extreme set of proposals in their history, including significant cuts to the revenue-sharing system, a weakening of the competitive balance tax, and shortening the period of time that players play for their teams. All of these changes would make our game less competitive, not more.

Makes no sense to me why players would want to see less revenue sharing. I can see big market owners wanting this. And how far away were the players and owners on shortening the time players would be required to play for their team since according to the letter, both sides wanted to fix this?

And I'm sure a lot was left out of this letter. I, for one, am not in favor of expanded playoffs, so if that was part of the owners demands, I'm against that. So like I said, what isn't the letter telling us? Maybe the MLBPA will release a counter statement today.

[mwash1983]

Since I see mlb took away player likeness on their pages can topps still make 2022 cards while the lockout is occurring or would have to do it the panini way with no logos.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

Since I see mlb took away player likeness on their pages can topps still make 2022 cards while the lockout is occurring or would have to do it the panini way with no logos.

They made cards in 1994 and 1995

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by mwash1983

Since I see mlb took away player likeness on their pages can topps still make 2022 cards while the lockout is occurring or would have to do it the panini way with no logos.

They have a deal with both the mlb and MLBPA. So it shouldn’t be a problem

[Stech36]

Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Letter from the commissioner

Https://www.mlb.com/news/featured/a-...-baseball-fans

This is really going to help negotiations. Great job Rob. Fans are not going to buy this. For being such a smart guy, he is such an idiot.

That being said, the players are irrationally angry, I put just as much blame on them for this lockout

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

They made cards in 1994 and 1995

They did but I remember many of us stopped collecting. Nothing worse then a big work stoppage for a kids game. Im sure it’s doubtful it happens this time tho.

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

Owners voted unanimously to lock out the players. I'm not sure what the threshold is, but I'm sure 1 or 2 stragglers couldn't stop it. Much like the players, they pretty much move in unison.

And let’s remember. There was no need to do it. Under the rules at the expiration of a CBA is just remains in effect until a new one is reached. The only
Reason to lockout the players is to put pressure on those without jobs to know wherever they play may not be a last second decision, cross country move, no time to negotiate, what have you. And that’s important. That’s a big reason why you saw so many players saying they wanted to sign before. They have families and lives to shift around the country and they knew the owners wouldn’t mind disrupting that one bit for some negotiating leverage.

That everyone knew this lockout was a foregone conclusion really says something.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by rms13

It’s 4th rate already. NFL, NBA and UFC are all bigger in the US. NASCAR may have a bigger fan base now and there are a lot of younger people that like European soccer more than MLB

I’ve been a baseball fan following MLB since 1984 and if they have a stoppage now I would hardly notice because that’s how much they’ve turned me off in the past decade.

Clearly you haven’t been following the fan base size discussions above. MLB is #2 with a flat to slightly growing fan base for the last decade. NBA has been declining (off something like 15% from its peak). UFC and NASCAR aren’t on the map.

Now, the real challenger? E-sports… that is getting close to NBA size now, and likely to be the largest before the end of the decade.


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