Bauer Update - Page 9

Cavaliercards · 08-16-2021, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Can I ask a stupid legal question? Why lift a restraining order? Even if everything was consensual, doesn’t it behoove both parties to never contact each other again?

Reason to get it lifted is that you are defending yourself against the allegations it was ever needed. From a PR standpoint it is supposed to help, but Bauer's image was tarnished beforehand.

JRX · 08-16-2021, 04:15 PM

I mean if he doesn't get it lifted and he were to pitch again every game would be "pitching for the dodgers, Trevor Bauer who has a restraining order against him related to sexual assault" He has to get it lifted to have any chance at a career.

Cavaliercards · 08-16-2021, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

I mean if he doesn't get it lifted and he were to pitch again every game would be "pitching for the dodgers, Trevor Bauer who has a restraining order against him related to sexual assault" He has to get it lifted to have any chance at a career.

Dont think Korean or Japanese leagues will let him pitch next year there with it.

Hungarian league rules are unclear, so he might have a shot there.

discostu · 08-16-2021, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Can I ask a stupid legal question? Why lift a restraining order? Even if everything was consensual, doesn’t it behoove both parties to never contact each other again?

For everyday people, having a restraining order would be a negative, however probably not worth fighting as most people would never be the wiser.

This case has been tried by both sides in the media and made very public. (Perhaps instigated by the accuser by first filing the TRO after believing that the Pasadena police failed to charge Bauer based on her account.)

With literally millions of dollars at stake, I imagine that by upholding the restraining order (especially based on the public, graphic details) MLB would indeed suspend Bauer. Any suspension is costly, and in Bauer's case it is very costly.

Contesting the restraining order gives Bauer a legal audience to (hopefully) display innocence and (hopefully) avoid any future criminal charges stemming from this. The curve ball is that the reverse could be possible as well, and evidence brought forth could incriminate Bauer which is why Bauer (at least previously) wasn't expected to answer questions.

I expect Bauer to answer questions and not plead the fifth here.

Should be interesting, but sad days ahead...regardless of outcome.

JRX · 08-16-2021, 08:04 PM

Nothing really new after day 1. Bauer's lawyers will get their chance to question the accuser tomorrow.

JRX · 08-16-2021, 09:40 PM

"In the court documents obtained by The Sun, Bauer's lawyers state pictures of the cuts and bruises of the accuser known as Ms Hill "appear to be edited or filtered in a manner to give a misleading or false impression of her injuries."

They also claim she "she deliberately mischaracterized her medical records to obtain maximum media attention.""

This may all help him legally, but I would be surprised if it helped him with mlb. Again, he doesn't seem to be denying it, instead going with she asked for it / it wasn't that bad.

rman112 · 08-16-2021, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

"In the court documents obtained by The Sun, Bauer's lawyers state pictures of the cuts and bruises of the accuser known as Ms Hill "appear to be edited or filtered in a manner to give a misleading or false impression of her injuries."

They also claim she "she deliberately mischaracterized her medical records to obtain maximum media attention.""

This may all help him legally, but I would be surprised if it helped him with mlb. Again, he doesn't seem to be denying it, instead going with she asked for it / it wasn't that bad.

Those are massive accusations.

Cavaliercards · 08-16-2021, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

"In the court documents obtained by The Sun, Bauer's lawyers state pictures of the cuts and bruises of the accuser known as Ms Hill "appear to be edited or filtered in a manner to give a misleading or false impression of her injuries."

They also claim she "she deliberately mischaracterized her medical records to obtain maximum media attention.""

This may all help him legally, but I would be surprised if it helped him with mlb. Again, he doesn't seem to be denying it, instead going with she asked for it / it wasn't that bad.

The old I beat the crap out of her but not as bad as it looks defense.

He might want to talk to Greg Hardy about that one.

JRX · 08-16-2021, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Those are massive accusations.

They are, but that also seems like what your defense would be if you can't deny doing it.

JRX · 08-16-2021, 10:13 PM

We'll see what happens when his lawyers question her, but this all feels like it might end up being a pyrrhic victory for him.

Cavaliercards · 08-16-2021, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

They are, but that also seems like what your defense would be if you can't deny doing it.

Think after the call with the police listening that his attorneys know they have to throw whatever they can and hope for the best.

rman112 · 08-17-2021, 06:45 AM

This part really stood out to me:

"The woman's attorneys are arguing that she and Bauer had what should be considered a dating relationship, which would make the type of domestic violence restraining order she is seeking appropriate."

Bauer became famous for his "dating" policy. Her lawyers have to be aware of this. So if this is what they're pointing to as a sticking point, that's a bad sign for her case.

caulaflour · 08-17-2021, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

This part really stood out to me:

"The woman's attorneys are arguing that she and Bauer had what should be considered a dating relationship, which would make the type of domestic violence restraining order she is seeking appropriate."

Bauer became famous for his "dating" policy. Her lawyers have to be aware of this. So if this is what they're pointing to as a sticking point, that's a bad sign for her case.

How? Not following this.

rman112 · 08-17-2021, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by caulaflour

How? Not following this.

It seems to me like they're off to a bad start by trying to claim the two were dating.

caulaflour · 08-17-2021, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

It seems to me like they're off to a bad start by trying to claim the two were dating.

I could see how it'd be bad for Bauer. Not sure how it'd significantly affect the woman's case. Dating or not dating....you simply can't do the things that the allegations suggest. What's clear - and what Bauer is not denying - is that there was some sort of relationship, so it shouldn't hurt her case at all.

rman112 · 08-17-2021, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by caulaflour

I could see how it'd be bad for Bauer. Not sure how it'd affect the woman's case any. Dating or not dating....you simply can't do the things that the allegations suggest. What's clear - and what Bauer is not denying - is that there was some sort of relationship, so it shouldn't hurt her case at all.

They weren't dating. That's ridiculous.

I take if you've seen Bauer's "dating" rules. Not to mention that what is being described is that the same guy .. who she met twice .. who she said not only assaulted her twice, but brutally beat her the second time .. was her boyfriend. It makes no sense at all.

Now maybe there's something else to it. But if her lawyers are saying the RO should be approved because they were boyfriend and girlftiend, that's incredibly stupid.

caulaflour · 08-17-2021, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

They weren't dating. That's ridiculous.

I take if you've seen Bauer's "dating" rules. Not to mention that what is being described is that the same guy .. who she met twice .. who she said not only assaulted her twice, but brutally beat her the second time .. was her boyfriend. It makes no sense at all.

Now maybe there's something else to it. But if her lawyers are saying the RO should be approved because they were boyfriend and girlftiend, that's incredibly stupid.

Again: I'm not sure how Bauer's "dating rules" are relevant. It doesn't matter what his "rules" are....it's only what he literally did/didn't do that matters (and, regardless of what his professed "rules" are, how are we to know whether or not he adhered to that code?).

Forget about the lawyers' reasoning regarding the restraining order for a moment.

If someone has a restraining order against you and you beat them up, that's bad.

If someone doesn't have a restraining order against you and you beat them up, that's bad.

rman112 · 08-17-2021, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by caulaflour

Again: I'm not sure how Bauer's "dating rules" are relevant. It doesn't matter what his "rules" are....it's only what he literally did/didn't do that matters (and, regardless of what his professed "rules" are, how are we to know whether or not he adhered to that code?).

Forget about the lawyers' reasoning regarding the restraining order for a moment.

If someone has a restraining order against you and you beat them up, that's bad.

If someone doesn't have a restraining order against you and you beat them up, that's bad.

I think they're extremely relevant. 2 years ago, he said he handles his love life (w/e you want to call it) as such: "No feelings", and "I'm going to sleep with other people."

So when the lawyers say that these two were dating, it makes no sense. Someone with a strong case against the accused doesn't start out like this.

hammertime · 08-17-2021, 08:10 AM

People say "I'm never getting married" and then get married. People say "I'm never having kids" and then have kids. Caulaflour is right, whatever "rules" he posts on social media don't really matter.

rman112 · 08-17-2021, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hammertime

People say "I'm never getting married" and then get married. People say "I'm never having kids" and then have kids. Caulaflour is right, whatever "rules" he posts on social media don't really matter.

That THIS is the one time he was going to settle down is a massive stretch.

And this doesn't even factor in the texts about him from her to her ftiend.

Was she dating Tatis and Clevinger, too? Maybe they were just about to get hitched an broke it off at the last second. Lol.. Come on.

JRX · 08-17-2021, 08:39 AM

On day 1, Bauer's team asked for the ro to be dismissed and they were denied. Her team is asking for a 5 year ro which seems excessive to me. Also, I don't know what would be considered a relationship in a court of law. I didn't see any update where her lawyers said they were dating and as others have pointed out, he can make up whatever rules and pretend what he wants it doesn't mean he wasn't in some sort of relationship with these women. If anything he comes across as a sociopath.

Bauer could "win" this, but also lose in the long run.

Also great job by both the Dodgers and the Mets not vetting this guy. Imagine the complete train wreck if he were on the Mets and it came out he had a prior encounter.

TheGZA · 08-17-2021, 09:59 AM

Bauer is a weird dude. Haven't been following this specific case but didn't he also get into Twitter wars with teenagers? And if you're fortunate enough to make it in the bigs don't you at some point stop and realize "maybe I shouldn't do xyz"?

JRX · 08-17-2021, 10:05 AM

Yeah he got the big contract, but he def doesn't know how to live like someone getting 9 figures.

discostu · 08-17-2021, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGZA

Bauer is a weird dude. Haven't been following this specific case but didn't he also get into Twitter wars with teenagers? And if you're fortunate enough to make it in the bigs don't you at some point stop and realize "maybe I shouldn't do xyz"?

Bauer seems to have some misanthropic and misogynistic tendencies, but those things don't away because of success or money.

Regardless, he's always been a bit of a social awkward person marching to his own drum.

Of course, none of the above is "criminal."

FreshOutThePack · 08-17-2021, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGZA

Bauer is a weird dude. Haven't been following this specific case but didn't he also get into Twitter wars with teenagers? And if you're fortunate enough to make it in the bigs don't you at some point stop and realize "maybe I shouldn't do xyz"?

And really making it to the bigs or not, there are alot of things that EVERYONE should realize they shouldn't do.

My favorite part of these 3 threads has been the defenders of Bauer who claim that this type of behavior is normal to some (yeah, sociopaths), yet somehow fail to grasp that if you are a regular Joe in this type of situation, you would already be on your way to prison.

Bauer's defense is looking really weak to me.

Charges incoming.

I am far from the #MeToo crowd and don't think we should believe everything we hear, but after everything she has claimed, so far he claims she asked for it and she photoshopped evidence?? No "I didn't beat the crap out of her while she was passed out"? Wow, ok pal.

08-16-2021, 04:15 PM	#202
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,962	I mean if he doesn't get it lifted and he were to pitch again every game would be "pitching for the dodgers, Trevor Bauer who has a restraining order against him related to sexual assault" He has to get it lifted to have any chance at a career.

08-16-2021, 08:04 PM	#205
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,962	Nothing really new after day 1. Bauer's lawyers will get their chance to question the accuser tomorrow.

08-16-2021, 09:40 PM	#206
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,962	"In the court documents obtained by The Sun, Bauer's lawyers state pictures of the cuts and bruises of the accuser known as Ms Hill "appear to be edited or filtered in a manner to give a misleading or false impression of her injuries." They also claim she "she deliberately mischaracterized her medical records to obtain maximum media attention."" This may all help him legally, but I would be surprised if it helped him with mlb. Again, he doesn't seem to be denying it, instead going with she asked for it / it wasn't that bad.

08-16-2021, 10:13 PM	#210
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,962	We'll see what happens when his lawyers question her, but this all feels like it might end up being a pyrrhic victory for him.

08-17-2021, 06:45 AM	#212
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	This part really stood out to me: "The woman's attorneys are arguing that she and Bauer had what should be considered a dating relationship, which would make the type of domestic violence restraining order she is seeking appropriate." Bauer became famous for his "dating" policy. Her lawyers have to be aware of this. So if this is what they're pointing to as a sticking point, that's a bad sign for her case.

08-17-2021, 08:10 AM	#219
hammertime Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: OH->MI->MD->VA Posts: 6,928	People say "I'm never getting married" and then get married. People say "I'm never having kids" and then have kids. Caulaflour is right, whatever "rules" he posts on social media don't really matter.

08-17-2021, 08:39 AM	#221
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,962	On day 1, Bauer's team asked for the ro to be dismissed and they were denied. Her team is asking for a 5 year ro which seems excessive to me. Also, I don't know what would be considered a relationship in a court of law. I didn't see any update where her lawyers said they were dating and as others have pointed out, he can make up whatever rules and pretend what he wants it doesn't mean he wasn't in some sort of relationship with these women. If anything he comes across as a sociopath. Bauer could "win" this, but also lose in the long run. Also great job by both the Dodgers and the Mets not vetting this guy. Imagine the complete train wreck if he were on the Mets and it came out he had a prior encounter.

08-17-2021, 09:59 AM	#222
TheGZA Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 1,119	Bauer is a weird dude. Haven't been following this specific case but didn't he also get into Twitter wars with teenagers? And if you're fortunate enough to make it in the bigs don't you at some point stop and realize "maybe I shouldn't do xyz"?

08-17-2021, 10:05 AM	#223
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,962	Yeah he got the big contract, but he def doesn't know how to live like someone getting 9 figures.