Shaq does not sign his Panini cards - Page 9

daxwills · 03-06-2017, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mhcook

That is good to know that those 2 authenticate certified autos, I had no clue any of them did.

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Yeah if you google "top PSA autograph screw ups" your confidence in their certification services might take a hit. Hell they certified an auto on a boxing card issued in 1948 of a guy who died in 1946. Hard to sign a card when your dead but maybe voodoo was involved.

jmscoggin · 03-06-2017, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by daxwills

Yeah if you google "top PSA autograph screw ups" your confidence in their certification services might take a hit. Hell they certified an auto on a boxing card issued in 1948 of a guy who died in 1946. Hard to sign a card when your dead but maybe voodoo was involved.

A simple Google search would lead anyone to question the validity and knowledge of PSA yet they command a premium not only for their services but in the secondary market as well, it boggles my mind. SGC is the only one of the three major companies that I haven't seen stories like this about and it is a big reason why I use them but I'm sure they aren't perfect either.

daxwills · 03-06-2017, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jmscoggin

A simple Google search would lead anyone to question the validity and knowledge of PSA yet they command a premium not only for their services but in the secondary market as well, it boggles my mind. SGC is the only one of the three major companies that I haven't seen stories like this about and it is a big reason why I use them but I'm sure they aren't perfect either.

I was unaware SGC offered autograph authentication services. I thought they only graded stuff. Do you have a link to their auto services I'd be interested in reading it.

From what I know of their grading services they are fairly well regarded in vintage, but the original guy/s left and since then they've fallen off in popularity and now PSA/BGS are the big two. I very rarely see anything approaching modern in a SGC slab. At least not in hockey/basketball.

jmscoggin · 03-06-2017, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by daxwills

I was unaware SGC offered autograph authentication services. I thought they only graded stuff. Do you have a link to their auto services I'd be interested in reading it.

From what I know of their grading services they are fairly well regarded in vintage, but the original guy/s left and since then they've fallen off in popularity and now PSA/BGS are the big two. I very rarely see anything approaching modern in a SGC slab. At least not in hockey/basketball.

I sold an '89 Griffey SGC Gem for $400+, the same price PSA 10's were going for at the time. Granted, it's debatable if 1989 is modern. I've sent at least 200 IP autos to SGC for authentication and think they do a great job. I've also sent a couple of hundred modern cards to them for grading. They are tough though, far more so than BGS.

Most autographs are around $10 per but they constantly have monthly specials. Some are designated as premium though.

SGC Grading Scale

tanana · 03-15-2017, 10:42 AM

Steinersport has a few basketballs for sale that look like the autos from Panini era 2013-2016,

I emailed them about it, and below is the reply, all in person autos

shaqfan2 · 03-15-2017, 11:43 AM

Well that certainly adds a different layer to things. Though I am still suspicious.

CYLIN · 03-15-2017, 04:00 PM

I don't think they will have different answer though...

spinotron · 03-15-2017, 04:41 PM

If you are an autograph expert, You look for certain charateristics, which are unmistakenable and consistent.

So far, all the "in person" ones, including the Steiner's one above, are signed with q loop crossing itself over; but the late Panini ones for last three years are have q as a spiral and never cross itself.

Also look at the first stroke, the "in-person" ones, after horizontal line it goes to right down direction; but fake ones always circle back and give a strong left tick (reverse nike logo).

"In person" (including latest Panini in-person) vs "Panini last three years" have been very consistent in this aspect; there are so many "in person" sessions spread across last three years from different companies and different occasions; and yet Shaq (in "in person" sessions) and his ghost signers (for Panini cards of last three years) have been remarkably consistent in last two characteristics in strokes I pointed out above.

It is as plain as it gets, and now it's a matter of whether to accept the truth and when.

shaqfan2 · 03-15-2017, 06:26 PM

The Steiner auto makes me wonder due to having the little curl at the bottom o the S that is not present in older autos but IS present in the 'fake' years from 2013-now.

oplum29 · 03-16-2017, 10:00 AM

finally picked up a Shaq autograph from 1995 Superior Pix a couple of months back.

card used to be worth $1,000...got it for $50

zigzagz · 03-16-2017, 11:21 AM

Whoops

stalemonkey30 · 03-17-2017, 01:44 AM

Just to be clear... is it the verdict that the Shaq/Kobe dual autos were ghost signed by an associate of Mr. Oneal?

Andy5 · 03-17-2017, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by zigzagz

I thought I would share this pic Panini posted to their Instagram 12 days ago. More proof that most Panini Shaq autos are fake. It seems that all the cards with photo evidence have this same style signature. He looks so pissed here that Panini finally cornered him lol

Posted already which lead to the thread revival.

shaqfan2 · 03-17-2017, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stalemonkey30

Just to be clear... is it the verdict that the Shaq/Kobe dual autos were ghost signed by an associate of Mr. Oneal?

I think this one is fake:

But this one is real:

Why mix sticker and on-card though..? Strange.

davechappelle · 03-21-2017, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tanana

Steinersport has a few basketballs for sale that look like the autos from Panini era 2013-2016,

I emailed them about it, and below is the reply, all in person autos

almost the same as his 2013 panini autos.

hairyangryfella · 03-21-2017, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by davechappelle

almost the same as his 2013 panini autos.

Except that, unlike his 'fake' ones, has a rounded end to the q and an O that goes all the way round and crosses over itself.

Biggums7 · 03-21-2017, 10:10 PM

the 1 thing i've always noticed about shaq's autograph is that he always puts his jersey # on them. literately none of the questionable panini autographs have his jersey # on them.

FYI Shaq is very well known to use a ghostsigner for TTM Autographs

shaqfan2 · 03-21-2017, 10:32 PM

I read that in the last year or so, the TTM autos from Shaq have been legit but the ones from years prior were someone else.

rman112 · 03-22-2017, 12:43 AM

Has anyone compared Shaq's TTM autos to the questionable certifieds? The fact that he started signing TTM's heavily, and seemingly out of nowhere, is the smoking gun to me.

thepinoymamba · 03-22-2017, 06:53 PM

Shaq Attaq... Those Signitures are the same as the one that He signed on those Shaq Attaq shoes that are selling

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tacoma34 · 03-22-2017, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thepinoymamba

Shaq Attaq... Those Signitures are the same as the one that He signed on those Shaq Attaq shoes that are selling

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crazymj · 03-23-2017, 07:39 PM

I just got this today in person. Hope it helps, also it's available for sale

shaqfan2 · 03-23-2017, 08:13 PM

Now THAT one on the basketball looks right. The one on the Steiner basketball is too similar to the Panini 2013~ autos.

dmntakeover · 03-23-2017, 08:16 PM

I think that it's unlikely that a company as big as Panini would let this slide under the radar, but it is something to be considered.

It would be extremely disappointing.

I will say that in different situations, that even my own signature has its own variations based on if I'm tired, or at a weird angle, sitting vs standing, in a rush, etc etc.

So the variations could just be from something simple as he's on his hundredth auto in a row, or whatever.

Anyways, still interesting to consider.

pnft17 · 03-23-2017, 09:28 PM

Conspiracy theories are always funny haha. Small
Variations in guys signing thousands of autos is normal

03-15-2017, 10:42 AM	#205
tanana Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 407	Steinersport has a few basketballs for sale that look like the autos from Panini era 2013-2016, I emailed them about it, and below is the reply, all in person autos __________________ Instagram @grumpycollectables

03-16-2017, 10:00 AM	#210
oplum29 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 10,405	finally picked up a Shaq autograph from 1995 Superior Pix a couple of months back. card used to be worth $1,000...got it for $50 __________________ "got em, got em, need em, got em, got em, need em, got em" - Little Monsters

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zigzagz Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Kitchener, ON, Canada Posts: 1,290 bemardi zigzagz	Whoops Last edited by zigzagz; 03-17-2017 at 04:41 AM. Reason: Already posted

03-17-2017, 01:44 AM	#212
stalemonkey30 Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: DesMoines, IA Posts: 411 stalemonkey30	Just to be clear... is it the verdict that the Shaq/Kobe dual autos were ghost signed by an associate of Mr. Oneal? __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/140474714@N02/albums

03-22-2017, 06:53 PM	#220
thepinoymamba Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,111	Shaq Attaq... Those Signitures are the same as the one that He signed on those Shaq Attaq shoes that are selling Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk __________________ Kobe Anthology SET

03-15-2017, 11:43 AM	#206
shaqfan2 Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 342 shaqfan2	Well that certainly adds a different layer to things. Though I am still suspicious.

03-15-2017, 04:00 PM	#207
CYLIN Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,091	I don't think they will have different answer though...

03-15-2017, 04:41 PM	#208
spinotron Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,116	If you are an autograph expert, You look for certain charateristics, which are unmistakenable and consistent. So far, all the "in person" ones, including the Steiner's one above, are signed with q loop crossing itself over; but the late Panini ones for last three years are have q as a spiral and never cross itself. Also look at the first stroke, the "in-person" ones, after horizontal line it goes to right down direction; but fake ones always circle back and give a strong left tick (reverse nike logo). "In person" (including latest Panini in-person) vs "Panini last three years" have been very consistent in this aspect; there are so many "in person" sessions spread across last three years from different companies and different occasions; and yet Shaq (in "in person" sessions) and his ghost signers (for Panini cards of last three years) have been remarkably consistent in last two characteristics in strokes I pointed out above. It is as plain as it gets, and now it's a matter of whether to accept the truth and when.

03-15-2017, 06:26 PM	#209
shaqfan2 Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 342 shaqfan2	The Steiner auto makes me wonder due to having the little curl at the bottom o the S that is not present in older autos but IS present in the 'fake' years from 2013-now.

03-21-2017, 10:10 PM	#217
Biggums7 Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Deltona,FL Posts: 282 biggums7	the 1 thing i've always noticed about shaq's autograph is that he always puts his jersey # on them. literately none of the questionable panini autographs have his jersey # on them. FYI Shaq is very well known to use a ghostsigner for TTM Autographs

03-21-2017, 10:32 PM	#218
shaqfan2 Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 342 shaqfan2	I read that in the last year or so, the TTM autos from Shaq have been legit but the ones from years prior were someone else.

03-22-2017, 12:43 AM	#219
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Has anyone compared Shaq's TTM autos to the questionable certifieds? The fact that he started signing TTM's heavily, and seemingly out of nowhere, is the smoking gun to me.

03-23-2017, 07:39 PM	#222
crazymj Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 14,010	I just got this today in person. Hope it helps, also it's available for sale

03-23-2017, 08:13 PM	#223
shaqfan2 Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 342 shaqfan2	Now THAT one on the basketball looks right. The one on the Steiner basketball is too similar to the Panini 2013~ autos.

03-23-2017, 08:16 PM	#224
dmntakeover Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 6 dmntakeover dmntakeover	I think that it's unlikely that a company as big as Panini would let this slide under the radar, but it is something to be considered. It would be extremely disappointing. I will say that in different situations, that even my own signature has its own variations based on if I'm tired, or at a weird angle, sitting vs standing, in a rush, etc etc. So the variations could just be from something simple as he's on his hundredth auto in a row, or whatever. Anyways, still interesting to consider.

03-23-2017, 09:28 PM	#225
pnft17 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,693	Conspiracy theories are always funny haha. Small Variations in guys signing thousands of autos is normal