**The Perennial MIKE TROUT Thread** - Page 883

daveyc1 · 07-07-2023, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

Top 5% of the HOF is about 13 names, so let’s just extend it to a more natural 15

Ruth
Cobb
Wagner
Mathewson
Johnson
Young
Gehrig
T. Williams
Aaron
Mays
Mantle
Musial
J. Robinson
Clemente
Pujols when he gets there

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schmidt is absolutely inner circle.

rngrdanny22 · 07-07-2023, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by daveyc1

schmidt is absolutely inner circle.

Are you giving him this because of the position? Or, what?

daveyc1 · 07-07-2023, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by atk825

He's 132 HRs away and is under contract for 7 more seasons. He's an overwhelming favorite to reach 500.

with his track record for the last 4-5 years, those 7 seasons will amount to about 3-31/2 years of actual playing time

tjforce · 07-07-2023, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by atk825

WAR leader by decade:
1900s - Honus Wagner
1910s - Ty Cobb
1920s - Babe Ruth
1930s - Jimmie Foxx
1940s - Ted Williams
1950s - Mickey Mantle
1960s - Willie Mays
1970s - Joe Morgan
1980s - Rickey Henderson
1990s - Barry Bonds
2000s - Alex Rodriguez
2010s - Mike Trout

Would say that’s a pretty good compass to get to an inner circle. Trout led by nearly 20 wins and didn’t play regularly until 2012.

The rest of his career will dictate if he's a part of the group of names listed, or if he's the outlier, along with Joe Morgan.

Other than those two, every guy on this list has major milestones (3,000 hits, 500+ HRs, SB record, multiples of these, etc). 8 of those guys are in the top 20, Morgan a top 30-50 guys.

Of course, ranking vary based on how people view the steroid guys

daveyc1 · 07-07-2023, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Are you giving him this because of the position? Or, what?

Schmidt was the whole package. an absolutely dominating player. probably the 2nd greatest defensive 3b of all time, and one of the very best home run hitters. He led his league in home runs more than any other player in history minus one- Ruth. Certainly a top-10 player.

ThoseBackPages · 07-07-2023, 09:45 PM

id take Brett on my team over Schmidt

atk825 · 07-07-2023, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

The rest of his career will dictate if he's a part of the group of names listed, or if he's the outlier, along with Joe Morgan.

Other than those two, every guy on this list has major milestones (3,000 hits, 500+ HRs, SB record, multiples of these, etc). 8 of those guys are in the top 20, Morgan a top 30-50 guys.

Of course, ranking vary based on how people view the steroid guys

Joe Morgan won back to back MVPs, played for a dynasty, was a 100 WAR player. He’s one of the very best players ever.

theshowandme · 07-07-2023, 09:56 PM

Schmidt a top 10 player

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OhioLawyerF5 · 07-07-2023, 09:58 PM

This tells you all you need to know about this entire topic. People can't even agree that Schmidt and Morgan or Frank Robinson are all time greats. How is there even possible room to agree on Trout, who is still writing his story?

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SupermanBrandon · 07-07-2023, 10:03 PM

I know how to solve it: what was his hat size 10 years ago vs today? /thread

rngrdanny22 · 07-07-2023, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by daveyc1

Schmidt was the whole package. an absolutely dominating player. probably the 2nd greatest defensive 3b of all time, and one of the very best home run hitters. He led his league in home runs more than any other player in history minus one- Ruth. Certainly a top-10 player.

There's nothing about him that's "top 10" except maybe defense.

Edited to add: He's a "top 10" third baseman. So, there's that.

theshowandme · 07-07-2023, 10:05 PM

No one is saying Schmidt, Morgan, and Frank are not all time greats. They all are.

The topic was about elite inner-circle HOFers. That means different things to different people.

To say Mike Schmidt is a top 10 player of all time though is just silly.

All of this was born from the death of Mike Trout who’s funeral is still unplanned for some reason. I would like to attend and pay my respects.

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daveyc1 · 07-07-2023, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

Schmidt a top 10 player

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an all time great fielder at a premier position. an all time great offensive player
3 time MVP, world series MVP, 10 time GG.

you havent been following baseball very long have you

theshowandme · 07-07-2023, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by daveyc1

an all time great fielder at a premier position. an all time great offensive player
3 time MVP, world series MVP, 10 time GG.

you havent been following baseball very long have you

I agree on all accounts that Mike Schmidt fits those categories.

But…

I have personally never met anyone who thinks Mike Schmidt is a top 10 player of all time.

You will not find many who agree with you

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daveyc1 · 07-07-2023, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

I agree on all accounts that Mike Schmidt fits those categories.

But…

I have personally never met anyone who thinks Mike Schmidt is a top 10 player of all time.

You will not find many who agree with you

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do you consider Trout to be a top 10 player? Do you rank Trout above Schmidt?

theshowandme · 07-07-2023, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by daveyc1

do you consider Trout to be a top 10 player?

No and you will not find me saying that anywhere

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jhssketchcards · 07-07-2023, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by daveyc1

an all time great fielder at a premier position. an all time great offensive player
3 time MVP, world series MVP, 10 time GG.

you havent been following baseball very long have you

Add to that Schmidt win all 3 of his MVPs at 30, 31 and 36 years old. Seems all time great players make it past 15-16 years before age and time catch up unlike todays players

#Trout
#Judge
#Tatis
#Yordan

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theshowandme · 07-07-2023, 10:29 PM

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do you consider Trout to be a top 10 player? Do you rank Trout above Schmidt?

I didn’t put Trout on the top 15 list to begin with when folks were proposing a hypothetical elite list of HOFers.

You said Schmidt should be on the list. So who gets the bump from that list of 15?

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daveyc1 · 07-07-2023, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

No and you will not find me saying that anywhere

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do you rank trout above schmidt?

theshowandme · 07-07-2023, 10:30 PM

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do you rank trout above schmidt?

Again, no. You quoted my list and said Schmidt was deserving. Trout wasn’t on the list to begin with.

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daveyc1 · 07-07-2023, 10:38 PM

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Again, no. You quoted my list and said Schmidt was deserving. Trout wasn’t on the list to begin with.

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I never rank pitchers and position players on the same list. Two completely different skill sets.

I would rank Schmidt above Jackie, Clemente, Pujols and Musial.

daveyc1 · 07-07-2023, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

There's nothing about him that's "top 10" except maybe defense.

Edited to add: He's a "top 10" third baseman. So, there's that.

He was an elite offensive player. Ruth has the all-time record for years leading his league in HRs. do you want to guess who is number 2 on that list...

Schmidt wasnt a top 10 third baseman. he is the greatest third baseman. by a margin.

theshowandme · 07-07-2023, 10:47 PM

I’m waiting to read that Dave Kingman was a better player than Mike Trout

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BigSeph · 07-07-2023, 10:48 PM

ThoseBackPages · 07-07-2023, 10:49 PM

Bonds > Schmidt

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theshowandme Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 5,047 theshowandme nova_cards	No one is saying Schmidt, Morgan, and Frank are not all time greats. They all are. The topic was about elite inner-circle HOFers. That means different things to different people. To say Mike Schmidt is a top 10 player of all time though is just silly. All of this was born from the death of Mike Trout who’s funeral is still unplanned for some reason. I would like to attend and pay my respects. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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