📈Is the correction over? What cards look attractive with an upside potential?📈

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by MavsRChamps

I'll add this too - I think players changing teams often is hurting players collectability too. Take Kevin Durant as an extreme example, but even young guys changing teams every few years really hurts their card market ...

Take random guys like Cade Cunningham, Jalen Green, Evan Mobley, etc. - Really the thing that can accelerate their card market besides play of course is them staying and building a legacy with their teams. If they switch teams mid-career and don't do that - and Pistons, Rockets, Cavs fan don't care about their cards - you're essentially left with just fans of the players specifically collecting and we all know that won't lead to much value traction.

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Outside of Lebron/Ohtani - I've never seen a player changing teams that actually increased value

I totally agree with you. It may be OCD but a players rc cards on the wrong team drives me crazy...

I think it depends on a number of variables (see below but not just limited to these examples):

- how you change teams (traded vs. signed, leave with class vs. without class, etc)
- number of different teams you join (less is generally better)
- which teams you join (some have larger fan bases, e.g., LeBron/Ohtani benefited from the LA fan base because they're large/marketed to well and the fans have the money to spend)

[boxbuster7]

ya I mean in generalities but I feel like the markets getting wider. We have more stars in the nba than ever before and while that is a good thing, the money is more spread out.

And theres only so much that can go around.

[Nomad]

You have a lot more presumptive stars before they've won something. And then two of the best play for the Celtics.

[NBAicons]

Originally Posted by 1980bust

I also follow the rule that if I can find a card anytime I search eBay for it, it's not worth buying, or at least not buying then.

So you wait until the supply is down to buy?

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by NBAicons

So you wait until the supply is down to buy?

He's probably not buying any modern. Sounds like he's talking about obscure 90s inserts

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

He's probably not buying any modern. Sounds like he's talking about obscure 90s inserts

In his defense, there have been times where I've looked for a modern card on eBay and wasn't able to find it. And not just Gold Prizms or the ones around that print run.

[1980bust]

Originally Posted by NBAicons

So you wait until the supply is down to buy?

No? I just don't bother buying stuff that's so plentiful that it's available at any time. I'd rather keep my cash for when something I actually want might pop up. Silver prizms in any grade, awful colour parallels, whatever. None of it's for me. So many people like them though, so go for it.

Originally Posted by jcardstore

He's probably not buying any modern. Sounds like he's talking about obscure 90s inserts

Nah, I do buy modern. Obscure 90s inserts are traded around way deeper pockets than mine. They can have them.

[Brazenways]

Contrarian buying is fun until you realize some stuff is so obscure and too illiquid that your buyer pool is the 2nd highest bidder (since you are the comp), and/or you do a hell of a subtle pump job.

[Nomad]

Care to do a subtle pump job and give us a few?

And don't tell me Panini Fanatics green cracked ice.

[ninjabum87]

I mean you can get a good example of whats sort of trash by doing a quick search of players' Kaboom cards. There are always double digits per player floating around for sale on ebay. Compare that to inserts or parallels with print runs of 20 or below.

That's probably what he's talking about. Even with those rarer ones you do see a small spike when a set comes out but then they get scarce. I never see Kabooms going scarce. They're in like Genesis-tier of cards IMO. The first couple of years of em I think are different but 19 onwards there's a flood on the supply side. Values will either tank some day or the kids who wanted one due to the hype during this era will grow up and want one and even the large supply of them will dwindle. Could go either way I suppose.

I do think anyone betting on base/silver prizm from 2018/19 onwards are fools, but on the flip side I have fallen into the mega low print run trap myself where I'm holding things with print run of like 5 or less and people just dgaf cause there weren't enough of em made to pique interest or they were from the wrong set, etc. Never know what direction the collector base's FOMO wind will blow I suppose.

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

I mean you can get a good example of whats sort of trash by doing a quick search of players' Kaboom cards. There are always double digits per player floating around for sale on ebay. Compare that to inserts or parallels with print runs of 20 or below.

That's probably what he's talking about. Even with those rarer ones you do see a small spike when a set comes out but then they get scarce. I never see Kabooms going scarce. They're in like Genesis-tier of cards IMO. The first couple of years of em I think are different but 19 onwards there's a flood on the supply side. Values will either tank some day or the kids who wanted one due to the hype during this era will grow up and want one and even the large supply of them will dwindle. Could go either way I suppose.

I do think anyone betting on base/silver prizm from 2018/19 onwards are fools, but on the flip side I have fallen into the mega low print run trap myself where I'm holding things with print run of like 5 or less and people just dgaf cause there weren't enough of em made to pique interest or they were from the wrong set, etc. Never know what direction the collector base's FOMO wind will blow I suppose.

I think you're right about the overall supply of genesis/kabooms/downtowns/etc but the rookie versions of each will always be a great bet even if the later years aren't really

As for subtle pumps I'm a big fan of artistic selections which I think look great and are actually quite rare if the pop counts are any indication but for whatever reason they're also super cheap to buy

There are several Wembys up on the bay right now for $400, which compared to his other case hits is an absolute steal

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by kipgen

I think you're right about the overall supply of genesis/kabooms/downtowns/etc but the rookie versions of each will always be a great bet even if the later years aren't really

As for subtle pumps I'm a big fan of artistic selections which I think look great and are actually quite rare if the pop counts are any indication but for whatever reason they're also super cheap to buy

There are several Wembys up on the bay right now for $400, which compared to his other case hits is an absolute steal

When you think about it, Kaboom is this era PMG so I still believe it will hold value especially on desirable players. Especially with Fanatics taking over soon we might not see anymore licensed kaboom

[Brazenways]

Originally Posted by Delta5

When you think about it, Kaboom is this era PMG so I still believe it will hold value especially on desirable players. Especially with Fanatics taking over soon we might not see anymore licensed kaboom

Prizm gold is more relatable to PMg then a non-numbered insert like a kaboom.

[MavsRChamps]

I'm less critical of Kaboom cards because there's no insert set like it out there ... So supply is > compared to many individual cards but the amount of "Gold" shiny cards /10 from all the sets like Prizm, Optic, Select, Mosaic etc etc. far outweighs the amount of Kabooms there are. Plus add in all the other parallels from those sets & they're not unique at all.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by MavsRChamps

I'm less critical of Kaboom cards because there's no insert set like it out there ... So supply is > compared to many individual cards but the amount of "Gold" shiny cards /10 from all the sets like Prizm, Optic, Select, Mosaic etc etc. far outweighs the amount of Kabooms there are. Plus add in all the other parallels from those sets & they're not unique at all.

2012 Prizm Gold.

The ultimate chase of the Panini era.

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by MavsRChamps

I'm less critical of Kaboom cards because there's no insert set like it out there ... So supply is > compared to many individual cards but the amount of "Gold" shiny cards /10 from all the sets like Prizm, Optic, Select, Mosaic etc etc. far outweighs the amount of Kabooms there are. Plus add in all the other parallels from those sets & they're not unique at all.

Agreed, and Kaboom cards will have legs. Love them or hate them, they're an iconic insert. A lot of youngsters today will be chasing them when they're our age.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by tjforce

2012 Prizm Gold.



The ultimate chase of the Panini era.

2012 select gold kobe is some kind of grail

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[r338]

Originally Posted by Brazenways

Prizm gold is more relatable to PMg then a non-numbered insert like a kaboom.

Prizm base true golds, especially 2012-2015, might be at that level already.

Maybe gold or green Kabooms down the road can compare to PMGs. Not the regular unnumbered ones.

[Torro]

Originally Posted by tjforce

2012 Prizm Gold.

The ultimate chase of the Panini era.

Yeah but they are already priced accordingly, they already are a PMG tier cards. While many view them as entering that tier in the future, and therefore there is some growth potential, IMO it already is there and might already be at its peak (how relevant are the panini stuff long term when topps takes over?), definitely high risk to go after them right now.

[Torro]

So Fanatics plans to 10x the hobby, even if it means 10x more product (which is likely the plan from Fanatics perspective to profit from the investments they made). If they succeed in printing (and selling) 10x more then the positive side of that is that even todays print runs (or how many sets/parallels of each players are produced) will be viewed as low supply in the future?

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by Torro

So Fanatics plans to 10x the hobby, even if it means 10x more product (which is likely the plan from Fanatics perspective to profit from the investments they made). If they succeed in printing (and selling) 10x more then the positive side of that is that even todays print runs (or how many sets/parallels of each players are produced) will be viewed as low supply in the future?

Increase the supply 10x while the demand drops 10x.

Not a great plan.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Torro

So Fanatics plans to 10x the hobby, even if it means 10x more product (which is likely the plan from Fanatics perspective to profit from the investments they made). If they succeed in printing (and selling) 10x more then the positive side of that is that even todays print runs (or how many sets/parallels of each players are produced) will be viewed as low supply in the future?

Correct me if I am wrong, but Fanatics is no longer going public, has canceled most of its shows, had the owner shoring up funds, and will probably ultimately divest the Topps brand. Those are the things I casually garnered from the Internet. I mean you can't just cut off a major rival from game used jerseys, buy up the printing presses, lose lucrative Paige Bueker contracts, and expect no repercussions.

So why are we still talking of plans to 10x the hobby? I mean, the only manifestation of 10x so far has been printing 74,000 of single Topps Now issues.

[solt0131]

Did anyone get out of the hobby yet?

[Brazenways]

How and what they 10x is up for interpretation. They are not going to 10x the customer / collector base, but they could potentially 10x volume of transactions.

[LondonGames]

Originally Posted by RKH916

A raw card used to be comparable to a PSA 8, sometimes a PSA 7 (which is where I think it should be - 7).

Lately 9's have been comparable to raw on a lot of cards I've been looking at.

The whole thing has become a joke.

never ever ever ever was this true.