Running CGC (old CSG) Order Tracker

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

You mean $10.80 I think! $12 with $1.20 off if you have elite.

You're right it's 10.80. I'll remember after a few more orders.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

Despite all of the bitching and moaning by a select few, in here, I've noticed an uptick of CSG slabs at shows and online.
It also appears that certain cards I've looked up in CSG holders seem to align with SGC in value.

My large order was completed in less than 30 days, and for $8.20 a card, I'm happy to be a CSG customer for now.

This is what I am interested in seeing at the Dallas Show next weekend. If CSG is moving at SGC prices, with PSA still at $50 per card, modern/ultra modern will gain a lot of business. The change to their slab, in one year, was smart. Every company has made changes. It took SGC a while before they went way from their number system.

[BlockShotStop]

Aesthetics of the label aside, something that still gets lost in the shuffle is that the quality of the slab (not the label) is unparalleled. As someone who displays cards, the clarity that CSG's slabs offer is top notch. The cards pop in a way that they do not in other holders. For that reason, from a pure collector standpoint, CSG easily has the best product.

I think once more people see and hold them in person, their popularity (and value, if that's your main thing) will rise. I also don't understand all the bickering about it. If you like the product, grade with CSG. If you don't, then don't send cards in. Why people get on here and try to convince everyone to adopt their personal preference for grading is beyond bizarre.

Everyone can see the blatant self-interest in pumping your preferred brand because you're overcommitted and don't actually want any competition. Since, you know, that might be bad for what you already hold.

In short, just let people be. Sheesh.

[grade]

Originally Posted by TSonn

So you purposely held onto cards to submit to CSG while you could've submitted to PSA? That sounds like a user error. There was still no point in time where you had the option to choose between $9/card PSA and $8/card CSG where you'd have the cards in hand to sell at this moment.

Yes, I don't know anything about CSC because I've only subbed with CSG. CSG does sports cards. This is a CSG thread. You're the one complaining about CSC in a CSG thread. Should we complain about Panini the book publishing company in a Panini Prizm card thread?

Lexus and toyota, share business plans, platforms, parts and whatnot. There are many companies that get better or worse due to the sister company.

CGC is the company that holds up CSG. Without CGC, CSG would be even worse off. Like or not, CGC is CSG.

[discodanman45]

People complaining about ROI and the ability to sell cards is getting old. If you can't sell a card for a profit, you slabbed a card in bad condition or a common card. Don't compare it to PSA, because people are idiots when they buy slabs. Right now there are 200 LaMelo Ball Hoops rookies on COMC starting at $3. I don't feel sorry for people who slabbed them and don't see PSA profits. In fact, I hope people lose money for slabbing this type of garbage. Just because there are idiots willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a 1990 Fleer MJ in a PSA 10 slab, doesn't mean you should see the same return for a $3 raw card.

If you can't sell your slabs, don't complain. If a card is worth grading for profit, it will sell. I grade for my PC. I choose SGC for vintage because I like the look. A truly expensive card will got to PSA for my family to sell if I die, and CSG is a great option for junk wax to ultra modern at bulk prices.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

This is what I am interested in seeing at the Dallas Show next weekend. If CSG is moving at SGC prices, with PSA still at $50 per card, modern/ultra modern will gain a lot of business. The change to their slab, in one year, was smart. Every company has made changes. It took SGC a while before they went way from their number system.

I'm really impressed with what CSG has accomplished in a year.
Please let us know what you see in Dallas in regard to CSG.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

People complaining about ROI and the ability to sell cards is getting old. If you can't sell a card for a profit, you slabbed a card in bad condition or a common card. Don't compare it to PSA, because people are idiots when they buy slabs. Right now there are 200 LaMelo Ball Hoops rookies on COMC starting at $3. I don't feel sorry for people who slabbed them and don't see PSA profits. In fact, I hope people lose money for slabbing this type of garbage. Just because there are idiots willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a 1990 Fleer MJ in a PSA 10 slab, doesn't mean you should see the same return for a $3 raw card.

If you can't sell your slabs, don't complain. If a card is worth grading for profit, it will sell. I grade for my PC. I choose SGC for vintage because I like the look. A truly expensive card will got to PSA for my family to sell if I die, and CSG is a great option for junk wax to ultra modern at bulk prices.

I've read your comments on how CSG grades 80's and 90's junk wax era cards, and I have to say they're stingy on handing out 10s from that era in my experience, so far. I did land a few nice junk era 10s, though.

[grade]

Originally Posted by BlockShotStop

Aesthetics of the label aside, something that still gets lost in the shuffle is that the quality of the slab (not the label) is unparalleled. As someone who displays cards, the clarity that CSG's slabs offer is top notch. The cards pop in a way that they do not in other holders. For that reason, from a pure collector standpoint, CSG easily has the best product.

I think once more people see and hold them in person, their popularity (and value, if that's your main thing) will rise. I also don't understand all the bickering about it. If you like the product, grade with CSG. If you don't, then don't send cards in. Why people get on here and try to convince everyone to adopt their personal preference for grading is beyond bizarre.

Everyone can see the blatant self-interest in pumping your preferred brand because you're overcommitted and don't actually want any competition. Since, you know, that might be bad for what you already hold.

In short, just let people be. Sheesh.

I find it even more bizarre that someone with over 1000 CGS/CSG slabs and supported them cannot state the facts and true experience with those two companies here.

In Short, the experience with using CGC/SGC from the beginning is different than just grading recently. But the past with changing labels, changing grading standards, delays and other problems like shilling/ghosting on forums is very important knowledge.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

I've read your comments on how CSG grades 80's and 90's junk wax era cards, and I have to say they're stingy on handing out 10s from that era in my experience, so far. I did land a few nice junk era 10s, though.

There are more junk wax era cards in 9 and 10's still available EVERYWHERE. CSG used to be tough on grades 8.5 and above, but they used to grade 7's and below like utter trash. Funny thing is right now, they are grading easier on the tough end of the scale and much harder on the lower end. I have seen a definite improvement on vintage grading recently.

I am not saying getting a junk wax 10 is easy. I am just saying there are more out there than people realize. You do have to do some hunting though. I have a stack on Shaq and Kobe rookies that all have a chance to gem that I got from eBay/COMC/forums/from my youth.

CSG 100% loosened standards for getting high grades to match PSA/SGC, which I am fine with. They also tightened vintage grading, which I am really happy with! Both are extremely apparent from YouTube reveal videos since the POP report is still hasn't updated since their new slabs.

[grade]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

I've read your comments on how CSG grades 80's and 90's junk wax era cards, and I have to say they're stingy on handing out 10s from that era in my experience, so far. I did land a few nice junk era 10s, though.

Wait till they ease up on standards to make people happy. It has started already, Everyone that follows CGC have known standards of CSG was going to get easier on vintage. CAUSE IT HAPPENED AT CGC FIRST MONTHS AGO.

That is why you need to know about CGC . CGC sets the road map , CSG follows.

[TSonn]

Shipped a standard order to CSG on Saturday. Grades just popped and they are being shipped back.

3 galactics in this order - all CSG 9s.

2018 Brady
2018 Mahomes
2019 Mahomes

Was hoping for a 9.5 on one of them but they are super tough grades - the 2018 Brady galactic PSA 10 is a pop 0. 10 graded overall by PSA (5 8s and 5 9s) - they all have a print line that makes it look like there's a crease on the front of the card.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

I'm really impressed with what CSG has accomplished in a year.
Please let us know what you see in Dallas in regard to CSG.

I will definitely do that and if the dealer allows, take some case pictures.

[grade]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

I'm really impressed with what CSG has accomplished in a year.
Please let us know what you see in Dallas in regard to CSG.

Riding the coat tails of CGC. Anyone would do good.

If GMA, HGA, ABCDEF could ride the coat tails of CGC and CGC users . They could have done the same or better.


Many users like myself were CGC users and blindly went with CSG just because of the connection to CGC. Talk all you want about this being a CSG thread, the reality is. CGC made CSG.

[kon jelly]

Originally Posted by grade

Riding the coat tails of CGC. Anyone would do good.

If GMA, HGA, ABCDEF could ride the coat tails of CGC and CGC users . They could have done the same or better.


Many users like myself were CGC users and blindly went with CSG just because of the connection to CGC. Talk all you want about this being a CSG thread, the reality is. CGC made CSG.

Dude no one cares.

[grade]

Originally Posted by kon jelly

Dude no one cares.

Doooohhh.

It is working though.

[Y2Hood]

Not 100% sure when my cards reached CSG, but I printed my submission form April 1. My bulk subber just messaged me that this order is back in house and ready to come home. This was a bulk order.

[thewesdub]

Originally Posted by Y2Hood

Not 100% sure when my cards reached CSG, but I printed my submission form April 1. My bulk subber just messaged me that this order is back in house and ready to come home. This was a bulk order.

Who was the bulk submitter? I'm looking to use one shortly.

[Y2Hood]

Cade's bulk grading on FB. I mentioned him in the other CSG thread, too.

[TSonn]

CSG released a PR about their Perfect 10 label: https://www.csgcards.com/news/articl...fect-10-label/

Looks awesome to me. Hope I get one in hand from either of my recent bulk submissions.

[kon jelly]

Originally Posted by TSonn

CSG released a PR about their Perfect 10 label: https://www.csgcards.com/news/articl...fect-10-label/

Looks awesome to me. Hope I get one in hand from either of my recent bulk submissions.

I might send my old CSG 10s in for reholdering. As of now I've only been sending in 9.5s.

[grade]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

People complaining about ROI and the ability to sell cards is getting old. If you can't sell a card for a profit, you slabbed a card in bad condition or a common card. Don't compare it to PSA, because people are idiots when they buy slabs. Right now there are 200 LaMelo Ball Hoops rookies on COMC starting at $3. I don't feel sorry for people who slabbed them and don't see PSA profits. In fact, I hope people lose money for slabbing this type of garbage. Just because there are idiots willing to pay hundreds of dollars for a 1990 Fleer MJ in a PSA 10 slab, doesn't mean you should see the same return for a $3 raw card.

If you can't sell your slabs, don't complain. If a card is worth grading for profit, it will sell. I grade for my PC. I choose SGC for vintage because I like the look. A truly expensive card will got to PSA for my family to sell if I die, and CSG is a great option for junk wax to ultra modern at bulk prices.

Sounds like the TopShot thread.

I dont feel bad at people that missed out making $$$$ in Topshot or CSG. I used both products and told everyone what i thought. While others have opinions based on not even using the products.

One is a uneducated opinion and one is a user experience . Dont confuse them .

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by grade

Sounds like the TopShot thread.

I dont feel bad at people that missed out making $$$$ in Topshot or CSG. I used both products and told everyone what i thought. While others have opinions based on not even using the products.

One is a uneducated opinion and one is a user experience . Dont confuse them .

PSA and BGS are both open and taking orders for $50 a pop. SGC is $30.
Knock yourself out...

[jjcan]

CSG project:

I just finished sending in my 3rd lot of CSG cards. 2 x 65 card orders earlier, another 55 card order. All Bulk at the 10.80 price (10% off level)

All these cards I am going to try and flip, not keeping anything unless I get a perfect. All these cards I expect to sell at Card shows, Consignment shops, local County Fair set ups. Not Ebay.

My cost of the raw card are anywhere from $1-$20 (alot of raw old stock I have). Ultra modern BK Rcs, L melos, Cade, Edwards, etc. Ultra Modern Brady's, FB QB rcs Herbert, Burrow, Fields, Hurts, Jones etc Low end (select, nicer shinier Chronicles), 2017,2018.2019 Bowman, Soto, Acuna, Vlad, wander etc.

Modern: Patriot Brady's, Jordan low end inserts, Low grade Vintage: Aaron, Ryan, Clemente etc. (still below $20, these are beaters)

My Hope is to get anywhere from $20-$100/ slab in value back in resale value which I base on sales that I have done in the past in person (not online), and average out $38 a slab.

My costs are ~$1850 grading (3 lots) +1,000 cards(3 lots)=~$3,200, and hope to make $5500-$6800 on the 3 lots, next 4 months after getting them back.


Depending on how the initial cards grade, i may send in more for the Fall shows.

These will cards will be mixed in with the PSA bulk that is steadily coming back, and with any new $50 economy orders also now being sent. I also do plan on sending Wotc Holos to CGC to give them a try in Bulk, I am not too sure if I can get them back before SDCC to sell, but here is too hoping.

[KeltonB]

Originally Posted by kon jelly

I might send my old CSG 10s in for reholdering. As of now I've only been sending in 9.5s.

Are yours Green Perfects? I have a Green Pristine w/9.5 centering (that should now meet criteria for 10 centering) I'd love to send in for review, but can't get a clear answer on how to do it. I also need assurances it won't be cracked out if it doesn't cross to a Black Perfect.

[kon jelly]

Originally Posted by KeltonB

Are yours Green Perfects? I have a Green Pristine w/9.5 centering (that should now meet criteria for 10 centering) I'd love to send in for review, but can't get a clear answer on how to do it. I also need assurances it won't be cracked out if it doesn't cross to a Black Perfect.

I only have 1 green perfect. The rest are pristine, and about half don't have subs.