Observations on the current state of the hobby from a show this weekend

[pewe]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Paying via PayPal/Zelle/Venmo/Cashapp during the 2022 National would have been a nightmare.

The internet literally didn't work for 5 days.

BTW is it just me or is cellular getting less reliable as they roll out 5G???


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[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by pewe

Is it because they:
— don’t like to earn more $$
— don’t want a paper trail
— other??? [fill in the blank]


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Stop being an idiot.

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by pewe

BTW is it just me or is cellular getting less reliable as they roll out 5G???


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Not enough people at the show were vaccinated to boost the signal.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

See, I knew you got it the first time.



LOL -- incredibly abnormal for the general population at a card show and this board as a whole. Probably applies to less than 5% of the posters on BO.





These comments are at odds with each other.

People that are buying high end cards are bringing cash. This isn’t really difficult to understand.

We all know the majority of the hobby isn’t buying 3-4-5 figure cards but that wasn’t my original comment….as you quoted.

Everyone’s definition of “lots of cash” is different based on their budget but lots of people have lots of cash on them at card shows.

If you think otherwise, attend a card show and pay attention.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by notfast

“Well I only have x dollars” is just bad. It says two things to the other party - 1) I don’t know how to negotiate and 2) I didn’t bring enough money. Now these things may not be true, but that’s what you convey when you use that tactic.

You’re also making your final offer. It’s up to me to accept it. And if it’s for multiple cards, I can control what I “let” him have for his cash offer.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Not enough people at the show were vaccinated to boost the signal.

Fauci ouchie!

[notfast]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Paying via PayPal/Zelle/Venmo/Cashapp during the 2022 National would have been a nightmare.

The internet literally didn't work for 5 days.

Good point as well.

Originally Posted by LVDan

Speaking personally from a show I just attended. Trying to process an $8 electronic payment from a cavernous convention space w spotty internet while the vendor is trying to help others with real money- embarrassing to request and frustrating to consummate.

Also a good point.

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by notfast

“Well I only have x dollars” is just bad. It says two things to the other party - 1) I don’t know how to negotiate and 2) I didn’t bring enough money. Now these things may not be true, but that’s what you convey when you use that tactic.

You're being intentionally obtuse.

Or maybe you just walk-up and drop your pants for dealers at shows with that $5-10K bankroll.

Edit: I'm not going to walk you through the many scenarios when it is a useful tactic, but reflect on your own comments about cash being king. Does a dealer want $160 cash now for that $200 card, or does he want to take the chance of going home with it? It's up to him but can (potentially) shift the leverage without really losing anything.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

Stop being an idiot.

Which part???


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[notfast]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

You're being intentionally obtuse.

Or maybe you just walk-up and drop your pants for dealers at shows with that $5-10K bankroll.

Edit: I'm not going to walk you through the many scenarios when it is a useful tactic, but reflect on your own comments about cash being king. Does a dealer want $160 cash now for that $200 card, or does he want to take the chance of going home with it? It's up to him but can (potentially) shift the leverage without really losing anything.

No one is talking about flexing money. That’s a bad idea too

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Precisely, use it as leverage in the negotiation.

"I only have xx amount of cash on me" is a way to get the price to come down immediately.

That’s what you said. This is akin to “I’d like my payment to be $x” at a car dealership.

Try saying “best I can do is x” or “my max is x” instead of saying my taste is more expensive than my wallet…because that’s what people will think when you say “I only have x on me.”

That’s what kids do at shows who don’t know any better. Like a lot of them.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by pewe

Which part???


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Again. Stop being an idiot.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

You’re also making your final offer. It’s up to me to accept it. And if it’s for multiple cards, I can control what I “let” him have for his cash offer.

I’m fine with making a final offer. It’s just saying “it’s all I have on me” or “it’s all I have left” isn’t the way to do it.

Simply put, as a buyer, you shouldn’t put all your cards on the table and say all you have to spend.

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by notfast

No one is talking about flexing money. That’s a bad idea too

That’s what you said. This is akin to “I’d like my payment to be $x” at a car dealership.

Try saying “best I can do is x” or “my max is x” instead of saying my taste is more expensive than my wallet…because that’s what people will think when you say “I only have x on me.”

That’s what kids do at shows who don’t know any better. Like a lot of them.

Sort your issues out elsewhere.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Sort your issues out elsewhere.

Join Date: Oct 2022

Checks out.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

Again. Stop being an idiot.

I guess I was spot on, as you couldn’t ID another reason a dealer would take a large discount for a cash deal


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[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by pewe

I guess I was spot on, as you couldn’t ID another reason a dealer would take a large discount for a cash deal


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Are we liable for what they do or don’t do?

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by notfast

Join Date: Oct 2022

Checks out.

I get it now -- a member of the "old guard". No wonder you reacted so irrationally.

Unless you've been on the board for *this many* years you're a...

[notfast]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

I get it now -- a member of the "old guard". No wonder you reacted so irrationally.

Unless you've been on the board for *this many* years you're a...

There is absolutely nothing irrational about anything that I've said. You just don’t agree with me.

Your style of response “sort your issues out elsewhere” is very typical of someone new to the forum/hobby.

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by notfast

There is absolutely nothing irrational about anything that I've said. You just don’t agree with me.

Your style of response “sort your issues out elsewhere” is very typical of someone new to the forum/hobby.

Nah, it was in reference to your insinuations about the financial situations/hobby budgets of others. That sort of dumb stuff only contributes to the negativity/toxic atmosphere on this board -- much like your trollish, one-liner response to my original comment about cash at shows.

A fellow member here asked if there is a benefit to informing the dealer they have cash as part of the deal (there is). You only quoted a portion of my response with the aforementioned trollish comment. Further discussion revealed you had no intention of understanding my original point, and deteriorated to you making insinuations about money, and other irrational conclusions about negotiating styles blah blah. It's tiresome. I won't be addressing your posts any further.

Just stick to the cards.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by notfast

I’m fine with making a final offer. It’s just saying “it’s all I have on me” or “it’s all I have left” isn’t the way to do it.



Simply put, as a buyer, you shouldn’t put all your cards on the table and say all you have to spend.

You're assuming that's all the money he really has though. He may have more. It's called a bluff.
Now he waits to see if the bluff gets called or he gets what he wants for what he wanted to pay.
Also, not trying to attack you but the start date here for members doesn't really matter. I don't remember my start date here, but I can tell you I frequented sportscard message boards for years and years before I started here. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not the smartest here by any means, that's not my point, but I think it's a shame newer members opinions are disregarded by a start date.

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[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by pewe

I guess I was spot on, as you couldn’t ID another reason a dealer would take a large discount for a cash deal


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Seriously, stop being an idiot. You know what you are doing.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Are we liable for what they do or don’t do?

Not an area of my expertise. Either legally or ethically.

But one question on my mind is how to record the transaction for personal records so that you have something valid for accounting and if audited. If the seller is trying to avoid the documentation. And there isn’t a digital transaction record.


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[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by pewe

But one question on my mind is how to record the transaction for personal records so that you have something valid for accounting and if audited. If the seller is trying to avoid the documentation. And there isn’t a digital transaction record.

Exactly this, most people here are opportunists, not collectors…and cash creates opportunities where digital transactions obviously don’t.

[ThoseBackPages]

Kettle!

[eldustino]

I'm hopping in with unsolicited and off topic comment. Card show in Denver was well attended and people were absolutely great to be around.

Decent selection and my biggest transaction was a ~$200 in trade, $20 came my way, and I think the dealer got typical margin on the deal but I came away with a new card I needed and a new acquaintance.

Was great - was my first show in 15 years and had great energy. Met some people who already knew me from my instagram and just overall excellent vibes (didn't hurt that I could grab a mixed cocktail to lubricate the feels). A few of us agreed, how sweet it is that the craziness of COVID likely caused us to "come out of our basements" and just be more social.