Official ECF thread: (2)Boston Celtics vs. (4)Cleveland Cavaliers

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by aaron2

Yeah, he’s not so good at that. I’m sure JR and Tristan have at least 3 years left on their deals

He's just trying to get the jump on MJ's pathetic post career attempts at putting together good teams. LeBron, always trying to out do the GOAT.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I actually can't believe we're talking about this list

Cousins
Brow
KAT
Embiid
Jokic

Being better than this list
Shaq
Hakeem
Robinson
Ewing
Zo

Someone is high as F right now. Blaze it up my man.

Well if you look at the statistics they’re comparable. But when compared to feelings, the 90s guys would dominate Embiid and AD.

[jj2]

Originally Posted by Hdpooh34

Winning the East should get absolutely no props. These teams are absolute trash compared to the West

Originally Posted by Hdpooh34

87-79 is a halftime score for a West Conference playoff game.

9-35 and 7-39 from 3 pt land is not great defense, it’s just bad basketball. The East is trash.

Originally Posted by Hdpooh34

Eastern Conf Champion means absolutely nothing. Those teams are trash. Only NBA Finals wins count

Can someone respond to this guy so that he feels his opinion has been validated and he doesn't have to post it anymore?

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

I pity the kids in this thread that never witnessed the 80's and 90's NBA...

I miss basketball from those Era's in general. Teams wanted to rip each other's throats out and you were allowed to play defense, and no free lay ups didn't get you thrown out of a game.

[drobfan8]

So let's match them up..

Cousins is better than Shaq
AD is better than Hakeem
Embiid is better than Robinson
KAT is better than Ewing
Jokic is better than Zo

5 wins to the young studs for sure.

I love the talent on those guys also, but this is Stephen A Smith level of hot takes.

[jataman2612]

Originally Posted by aaron2

I think he goes to Houston or LA, with LA being more of a fit if they bring in PG. He has screwed up the Cavs roster so badly that I think he will probably realize he can’t win with it

You don't think they will package the #8 pick for a stud? What would it take to get Kawhi? If they somehow do something like that, I think he stays.

[jpstudioedge]

Originally Posted by seabass97166

Your right Iverson Barkley Malone Stockton were not great.

The Cavs have no shot vs the Warriors with that ridiculous supporting cast James has to work with. Your take is just bad.

No its yours. I don't believe its an accomplishment to get out of the east. Yes those were great players and Lebron is a great player.

My post was in response to people saying this is Lebrons greatest accomplishment.

[tazz1213]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

This isn’t a meltdown?

Nope! You will have Lebron haters telling everyone, AGAIN, that Jordan was better (plus the many reasons why), THEN the Lebron fans will be here to tell everyone, AGAIN, why Lebron is the second coming of Jesus Christ. It will NOT disappoint.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

The centers of the 90's alone would mop the floor with those 5 guys.

Alonzo, Hakeem, Shaq, Admiral, Ewing and all of those guys are true centers. And lets be serious Shaq vs Anthony Davis would have the Brow injured 5 seconds into it.

That was the actual era I was talking about when making my statement, but the truth is the Centers today are just as big as they were back then. These guys aren’t any smaller now. The difference now is that they’re better OVERALL offensive players as opposed to just big guys.

[Saraste]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

So let's match them up..

Cousins is better than Shaq
AD is better than Hakeem
Embiid is better than Robinson
KAT is better than Ewing
Jokic is better than Zo

5 wins to the young studs for sure.

I love the talent on those guys also, but this is Stephen A Smith level of hot takes.

Not even SAS would stoop to that level of

[RogerGodahell]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I actually can't believe we're talking about this list

Cousins
Brow
KAT
Embiid
Jokic

Being better than this list
Shaq
Hakeem
Robinson
Ewing
Zo

Someone is high as F right now. Blaze it up my man.

That's laughable

[jj2]

Originally Posted by tazz1213

Nope! You will have Lebron haters telling everyone, AGAIN, that Jordan was better (plus the many reasons why), THEN the Lebron fans will be here to tell everyone, AGAIN, why Lebron is the second coming of Jesus Christ. It will NOT disappoint.

Their very existence relies on it!

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

I pity the kids in this thread that never witnessed the 80's and 90's NBA...

Originally Posted by jataman2612

You don't think they will package the #8 pick for a stud? What would it take to get Kawhi? If they somehow do something like that, I think he stays.

They don't have enough for Kawhi. 8th pick, Love, and what? If I am the Spurs, none of that interests me. I would want a proven superstar, top 5 pick, and a hot prospect. If the pick falls out of top 5, then a second prospect.

[jpstudioedge]

did anyone actually enjoy watching that game? I feel cheated.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jpstudioedge

did anyone actually enjoy watching that game? I feel cheated.

Loved it!! Sloppy but intense and an awesome ending.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

So let's match them up..

Cousins is better than Shaq
AD is better than Hakeem
Embiid is better than Robinson
KAT is better than Ewing
Jokic is better than Zo

5 wins to the young studs for sure.

I love the talent on those guys also, but this is Stephen A Smith level of hot takes.

Well the difference is most of the 90s guys couldn’t guard the 3 point line, while all these big guys have the size to body in the lane.

Shaq is the anomaly because he’s just massive and Wilt is likely the only center who could guard him, but Ewing and Zo have no chance against anyone of the 5 on that list. It would likely go

Shaq
Hakeem
-now
-now
-Robinson/now toss up
-now
-now
Ewing
Zo

Higher top end, lower floor.

Oh by the way, my comment said this years big guys were likely as good as it gets in league history minus one era (early 90s)

[aaron2]

Originally Posted by jataman2612

You don't think they will package the #8 pick for a stud? What would it take to get Kawhi? If they somehow do something like that, I think he stays.

I’m not sure how much value will be given to that pick, unless some team falls in love with trae young or something

From a team perspective, LA would probably have to give up Randle for Lebron and PG cap-wise which is an easy decision for them. They have a decent supporting cast and are a young team craving veteran leadership.

Houston almost made a deal for Melo last off season which leads me to believe if they can get Lebron-Harden-CP3 together they will get that deal done in a heartbeat

I see a lot of Lebron to Philly talk and as far as that goes, Philly has a good thing going and let’s be honest Simmons isn’t a jump shooter and Lebron won’t settle for being one as they both need the ball to create so that’s not gonna happen

No player wants to go to Cleveland so I don’t see Kawhi heading there in any sort of deal. Lebron hooked his buddies up with deals and now it’s come to the point that to really be competitive for titles in this league you need to be part of a super team and Lebron isn’t...he’s just in an easy conference

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by jpstudioedge

did anyone actually enjoy watching that game? I feel cheated.

It was a very slow and choppy flow. Not a good visual. I think that was on purpose from the Cavs side. Lebron looked gassed the entire game. He needed to control the pace to a crawl and conserve energy.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

So let's match them up..

Cousins is better than Shaq
AD is better than Hakeem
Embiid is better than Robinson
KAT is better than Ewing
Jokic is better than Zo

5 wins to the young studs for sure.

I love the talent on those guys also, but this is Stephen A Smith level of hot takes.

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

That was the actual era I was talking about when making my statement, but the truth is the Centers today are just as big as they were back then. These guys aren’t any smaller now. The difference now is that they’re better OVERALL offensive players as opposed to just big guys.

Are we pretending defense doesn't matter? Not to mention Embiid and Anthony Davis can't stay on the court. Does KAT even play defense? I could probably put together a 2nd team center list which would rival your list as long as we're talking all around play and not just offensive.

[pgisback]

Let's recap

1) Averaged 34/9/9
2) Shot a ridiculous 54.5% from the field
3) 2 buzzer beaters (never been done in the same playoffs before)
4) 7 40 point games
5) 2 game 7s... 80 points, 23 boards, 17 assists
6) 8 Straight Finals Appearances

Just ridiculous. Glad you guys, including the haters, were able to witness what the rest of us witnessed. Because it was amazing.

[JasonM32]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

So let's match them up..

Cousins is better than Shaq
AD is better than Hakeem
Embiid is better than Robinson
KAT is better than Ewing
Jokic is better than Zo

5 wins to the young studs for sure.

I love the talent on those guys also, but this is Stephen A Smith level of hot takes.

Today's young big men have virtually no accomplishments other than good stats for bad teams. They are out of the lineup with injuries every other week. In addition to that, the league is weeding centers completely out of the game unless they can shoot three pointers. Lastly, only one of those 5 can actually guard anyone. Laughable.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by JasonM32

Today's young big men have virtually no accomplishments other than good stats for bad teams. They are out of the lineup with injuries every other week. In addition to that, the league is weeding centers completely out of the game unless they can shoot three pointers. Lastly, only one of those 5 can actually guard anyone. Laughable.

It does make sense when you think about it though, over looking defense completely. The entire league now has done away with basketball fundamentals like dribbling and defense.

[jr24ai3]

Originally Posted by JasonM32

Today's young big men have virtually no accomplishments other than good stats for bad teams. They are out of the lineup with injuries every other week. In addition to that, the league is weeding centers completely out of the game unless they can shoot three pointers. Lastly, only one of those 5 can actually guard anyone. Laughable.

Remember how good everyone thought Kevin Love was when he was averaging 26 and 14. Suddenly he's looked at like a scrub in Cleveland.

[cinnakaok]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

It does make sense when you think about it though, over looking defense completely. The entire league now has done away with basketball fundamentals like dribbling and defense.

That's bc defense doesn't sell tickets. Offense does. Guys like Ben Wallace who was a key part to the pistons title run would be a bench player in today's game

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Well the difference is most of the 90s guys couldn’t guard the 3 point line, while all these big guys have the size to body in the lane.

Shaq is the anomaly because he’s just massive and Wilt is likely the only center who could guard him, but Ewing and Zo have no chance against anyone of the 5 on that list. It would likely go

Shaq
Hakeem
-now
-now
-Robinson/now toss up
-now
-now
Ewing
Zo

Higher top end, lower floor.

Oh by the way, my comment said this years big guys were likely as good as it gets in league history minus one era (early 90s)

Ha ha, wow.

When Tim Duncan was drafted in 97 the Spurs were talking about playing Perdue at the 5, TD at the 4 and Robinson at the 3. And this was 10 years in to his career.
Robinson was more athletic than AD, same with Hakeem. These dudes were gazelles.

Just because a 7 foot guy takes 3s now, it doesn't mean those guys wouldn't have been able to develop that shot. How long you think it would take Hakeem and Robinson to develop that shot? I'd say a summer. They also all had jump shots, I doubt they would struggle to extend to the 3.

To think that players are "more skilled now" at the big position is hilarious. They have no moves.

The 3 is also fools gold, have a look at the Cs today. It's not a tough skill, everyone shoots them now.