**The Perennial MIKE TROUT Thread**

[SupermanBrandon]

So we can just now assume that he most likely won’t hit any major career milestones?


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[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

So we can just now assume that he most likely won’t hit any major career milestones?


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His track record the last couple years hasnt been the greatest and now back issues are added.

Since his 3rd MVP, Trout has played in 52.66% of the Angels games. That's 2020-2022.

I'm afraid that might be the new norm. Hopefully it doesn't hurt his chances to put up more stats, backs are no joke tho.

[MOONBASE1]

Least he locked in the big contract.

[BBases31]

Condolences to all the people who's collection just dropped 30% overnight. Really hope he can play through this. Ohtani is guaranteed gone now as Trout will have to play alot of DH going forward

[tconte]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Condolences to all the people who's collection just dropped 30% overnight. Really hope he can play through this. Ohtani is guaranteed gone now as Trout will have to play alot of DH going forward

30% might be a dream scenario. I would venture to guess we are looking more
at fiftty to seventy percent as the more likely case. Sounds like there is a chance
now he might not even hit some of the special milestones like 500 homers.
The playoffs are currently not in the cards either.

Like someone else said, at least he got his money. Thank goodness the Phillies
didn't sign him.

[finfangfan]

Trout had an amazing start to his career and that likely will be enough to get him into the Hall. It does look like his ABs are falling of the cliff the second half of his career so he will likely miss many of the milestones people were hoping for based on his fast start. If he doesn’t play another game this year he has 598 ABs total in his last 3 seasons… which is less than the 602 he had in 2014. He hasn’t had more than 500 AB since 2016.

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Originally Posted by finfangfan

Trout had an amazing start to his career and that likely will be enough to get him into the Hall. It does look like his ABs are falling of the cliff the second half of his career so he will likely miss many of the milestones people were hoping for based on his fast start. If he doesn’t play another game this year he has 598 ABs total in his last 3 seasons… which is less than the 602 he had in 2014. He hasn’t had more than 500 AB since 2016.

It’s a reality check but doom and gloom isn’t what I hope for. Realistically, it’s the spine / central nervous system. Nobody and I clearly state Nobody wants that for anybody. It stinks.

Let’s hope that instead of a surgical solution that the issue can be resolved with means that will enable him to be back healthy soon. He seems like a great guy, give him hope, because the shot sure doesn’t seem like the fix.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Condolences to all the people who's collection just dropped 30% overnight. Really hope he can play through this. Ohtani is guaranteed gone now as Trout will have to play alot of DH going forward

- virtually all my Trout Prospect and RC Wax and sealed Product was bought pre-COVID ( own zero single cards ), and most if not all also have Goldschmidt and Altuve RC’s as well. Your 30% drop estimate, if accurate, would leave me unscathed and not stressed…… not happy, but unscathed nonetheless.

I don’t know if Collectors holding $10,000 - $10,000,0000 worth of post-COVID acquired single cards are so bulletproof and confident. The back diagnosis could be completely manageable and just an annoyance, or the start of slow, ugly, career and card value killing death sentence.

Once we see Trout play ( assuming he does ) thru this Season and most/all of next his performance will likely let us all know if this is a huge deal moving forward or not. I hope this gives Him some additional motivation to work thru his growing medical concerns, and get back to being the .300 hitter with power that many took for granted as “Trout being Trout”. He’ll need to reinvent himself mid-career now, as no one knows what or who he is to the future of Baseball and his Legacy. Real shame, but ‘it is what it is’

[SupermanBrandon]

I could see a scenario where he says: I’ve got more money than God. I’m already going into the Hall. I’m a family man at my core and I want to now spend that time with my loved ones and not potentially make my back worse. I’m done!


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[BigL7370]

He’s a legendary player who is a sure-lock HOFer - worst case scenario is he’s done putting up significant numbers, but he’s held in such high regard that even with a possible ‘what if,’ quality, the baseball media will not let him go so easily into the night where what he has done will be left forgotten.

[finfangfan]

It’s interesting to see that Trout’s production per AB has remained amazingly consistent over the years even as his ABs per year have fallen. If you combine his past 3 season stats and compare them with his stellar 2014 year they pretty much all line up. His HR pace per AB has even increased quite a bit.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Being a non-productive Angel for the second half of his career didn’t hurt Pujols prices in the long term.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

It’s interesting to see that Trout’s production per AB has remained amazingly consistent over the years even as his ABs per year have fallen. If you combine his past 3 season stats and compare them with his stellar 2014 year they pretty much all line up. His HR pace per AB has even increased quite a bit.

He’s a machine! Just needs to be able to play, and the rest will work itself out

[twoten01]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

I have a lot of experience dealing with doctors with family members. Unless it is trauma doctors can't do anything but diagnose and manage symptoms.

They can't fix anything chronic or disease oriented.

The good news:

Most doctors aren't very good at diagnosing. He will get a second opinion I am sure.

Oh I know this all too well, I am on dr number 11 and I've seen him 3 times so far and after the 2nd visit he said he cant recommend surgery for me so there is no reason for me to go back to him because there is nothing else he can do. Have had multiple drs tell me if I paid cash or used my private insurance I would get approved for surgery but since its workers comp I get denied

[Scottish Punk]

One of my first thoughts is how does this play in with Ohtani? Let's say Trout's back is mostly manageable. Angels would still want to proceed with caution. Move him to a corner outfield spot, give him more scheduled days off, no double headers, etc.

I would think the rest would also involve a heavy dose of him DHing to preserve his bat in the lineup. Ohtani currently does DHing. Managing both of these and keeping them both in the batting lineup is going to be tricky. If the Angels resign Ohtani, both these players have huge payrolls and are your top two hitters. Obviously, your chance of actually making the playoffs mean both are putting up their usual good numbers. Something like Trout DHs on Ohtani rest days.

[twoten01]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

I'm sorry you have gone through so much. I received those pain injections as well...they didn't do anything.

Thanks! Yeah the worst part for me was having to be put under so I couldn't eat or drink after midnight each time. And I always wake up with such a dry mouth (to the point I usually drink a whole bottle of water throughout the night any time I wake up) hated sitting there all day and after that many injections I knew it wasnt going to help. Finally had to tell my dr enough is enough, when I asked him how many injections I would need, and he said you have millions of nerves in your lower back, I'm not God, I can't magically pin point the problem area. (No #@#@#@#@ but I'd think 1 of the 5 MRIs I had done could've helped but what do I know)

[BigSlim16]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

One of my first thoughts is how does this play in with Ohtani? Let's say Trout's back is mostly manageable. Angels would still want to proceed with caution. Move him to a corner outfield spot, give him more scheduled days off, no double headers, etc.

I would think the rest would also involve a heavy dose of him DHing to preserve his bat in the lineup. Ohtani currently does DHing. Managing both of these and keeping them both in the batting lineup is going to be tricky. If the Angels resign Ohtani, both these players have huge payrolls and are your top two hitters. Obviously, your chance of actually making the playoffs mean both are putting up their usual good numbers. Something like Trout DHs on Ohtani rest days.

The only problem with this is that since 2020 Ohtani has been remarkably durable and doesn’t really take off days. In 2018/2019 Ohtani missed time with injuries, in 2021/2022 Trout has missed time. It’s almost uncanny

[KhalDrogo]

Ohtani is either getting traded or he’s gone as a free agent in 2024. There is no way he will piss his career away playing for an irrelevant franchise.

[NoleinJax]

Originally Posted by marl1220

How have I not seen this gif before? It's fantastic.

[BBases31]

Are alot of people dumping? Hard for me to tell if EBay listing volume has surged or if it's just normal for him

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Being a non-productive Angel for the second half of his career didn’t hurt Pujols prices in the long term.

Pujols had 445 HR when he started that second half.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Ohtani is either getting traded or he’s gone as a free agent in 2024. There is no way he will piss his career away playing for an irrelevant franchise.

I could see this if Trout is going to be 75% Trout for the next five years or whatever. The Angels could open up the pocket book for him as well. I am sure with the Japanese crowd, he alone brings in enough merchandising sales to make up for the cost. If Ohtani is traded, the obvious team is Los Angeles. I would think he would want to stay on the West Coast.

Man, that would suck for Angles fans to have Ohtani gone and an aging Trout. At that point, Trout is never going to have any playoff success.

Speaking of Trout. How does the MLB contracts work? Is he getting paid his full contract regardless on when he officially retires? If the Angels cut him, does he get full contract? This might make a difference in a few years if (hopefully not) his back regresses.

The Tigers were still paying Prince Fielder for a few years after he was done with baseball.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Are alot of people dumping? Hard for me to tell if EBay listing volume has surged or if it's just normal for him

They're just starting a go fund me for his kids and widow.

[JoshMN]

If he needs to shoot steroids into his back the rest of his career just to manage the pain, then I doubt his career will last much longer. He's already got plenty of money. I could see him trying to play for a few years with diminishing results and then giving up and retiring.

Bummer. Would have been interesting to see how close he got to the major milestones and also see where he ended up compared to the all-time greats. Unless this injury is overblown, guessing Harper has the better career counting stats when it's all said and done.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Speaking of Trout. How does the MLB contracts work? Is he getting paid his full contract regardless on when he officially retires? If the Angels cut him, does he get full contract? This might make a difference in a few years if (hopefully not) his back regresses.

The Tigers were still paying Prince Fielder for a few years after he was done with baseball.

MLB players' contracts are the envy of other leagues' players and the nightmare of other leagues' owners. Other than performance bonuses and team options (duh), fully guaranteed outside of truly extraordinary circumstances (and an injury/medical condition is not one).