Topps losing their NFL License - Page 8

k13 · 07-18-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

Just look at how successful Panini's exclusive basketball monopoly has gone, and that should tell you all you need to know.

Yeah people can't wait to buy $2000+ packs....

Only high end matters...
Did cases of flawless tank in price??? Quite opposite.

lambeauleap87 · 07-18-2014, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Yeah people can't wait to buy $2000+ packs....

Only high end matters...
Did cases of flawless tank in price??? Quite opposite.

That's just an ignorant statement.

The vast majority of Panini basketball products have been failures.

mikeyp · 07-18-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

Yeah people can't wait to buy $2000+ packs....

Only high end matters...
Did cases of flawless tank in price??? Quite opposite.

Double Post.

Chrisp253 · 07-18-2014, 09:14 PM

You guys are also calling out 2013-14 which had a crap draft which nobody broke out.. 2012-13 with kyrie davis and others prices and products were bought heavily.

mikeyp · 07-18-2014, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

But UD Basketball somehow is the best selling still...

Chrome and topps are meh anyway, bring back UD...

Guys getting excited over silly parallels and colors.
Only vintage topps is meaningful.

Location: Ontario

Nuff Said!

k13 · 07-18-2014, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

That's just an ignorant statement.

The vast majority of Panini basketball products have been failures.

Immaculate/NT/Flawless is just fine...The rest is junk that everyone skips anyway...I guess you have prizm or whatever.

No one forces you to buy junk. Speak with your wallet.

Sure I'd rather have spa/ultimate/exquisite but that's life.

k13 · 07-18-2014, 09:33 PM

Exclusives in every sport now...
Kind of gross.

Hobby should be dying very soon again since I came back after a 20 year lay off.

cyberpvnk · 07-18-2014, 09:37 PM

Here's my take on it.

1. I love Upper Deck and college uni stuff, so I still have that.
2. Panini blows.
3. If Panini announces this at the National I hope there is a major uproar. They will be expecting cheers...I hope they get shouted off stage.
4. I have already been moving out of cards and into certed memorabilia.
5. I will collect more non-sports (TV, Movies and Pop Culture).
6. Industry is bad anyway, and Panini will be its executioner.
7. Panini will cater almost exclusively to large case breakers.
8. I'm done with sticker autos in anything, just won't buy them, even for my PC. No matter what company.

CubKings · 07-18-2014, 10:06 PM

I think this has caused enough uproar already that one or both of these companies needs to address this issue like yesterday! Because this is ridiculous. Nobody knows what's going on, but they do.

arkeeper · 07-18-2014, 10:10 PM

Wouldn't this mean less autos in the market? Less time spent by players signing, less hounding for autos they didn't sign yet, less photo ops and events, and less event used gear.

This may actually mean more on-cards and more authentic gu stuff in cards since only one company will have them.

Would suck to see Finest and five star go. Not a huge chrome fan.

Dielon · 07-18-2014, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Grid

I got into the hobby in 1999. If you wanted an NFL licensed football card your choices were:
Donruss/Leaf/Score/Playoff all of which were their own company at one time.
Upper Deck
Topps
Fleer
Pacific
Collectors Edge

So I agreed with the sentiment that the hobby had to get smaller to grow. With 9 companies making cards, and each company putting out at least 10 releases a year. Thats almost 100 "true" rookie cards of say Cade McNown. Thats crazy.

But having one company and no choice is just stupid. I'm not a Topps fan but I like that they kept Panini honest. At least somewhat...

That is the reason I solely open product from around 1994-2002 era pretty much. After that game used era came along making the insert a lost art, and companies merged and the competition was lessened.

Jackg1980 · 07-18-2014, 10:27 PM

If they made topps in basketball would the superfarctor be king? How much would a Lebron James superfractor auto rookie go for these days?

shrevecity · 07-18-2014, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackg1980

If they made topps in basketball would the superfarctor be king? How much would a Lebron James superfractor auto rookie go for these days?

topps chrome lebron | eBay

Who knows but here are what some Lebron Topps Chrome rookies go for..

Nyfancam01 · 07-18-2014, 10:46 PM

now all of the football player supercollectors get to feel the way I felt when I found out panini was taking over basketball -_-

i've got a few cool Panini AI's but I def miss the awesome topps/UD Products.

MW Connection · 07-18-2014, 10:47 PM

Any update on the possible exclusive. The post by ITG Ceo Brian Price in Feb. makes me believe that Upper Deck may be able to attain and NFL license, not Panini.

Whodatiz · 07-18-2014, 10:58 PM

That link makes me want to cry. I used to own a base & base refractor.

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Originally Posted by shrevecity

topps chrome lebron | eBay

Who knows but here are what some Lebron Topps Chrome rookies go for..

rmw10 · 07-18-2014, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MW Connection

Any update on the possible exclusive. The post by ITG Ceo Brian Price in Feb. makes me believe that Upper Deck may be able to attain and NFL license, not Panini.

With what money? UD can't compete with Panini in terms of capital.

Jackg1980 · 07-18-2014, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Whodatiz

That link makes me want to cry. I used to own a base & base refractor.

How much would a superfractor auto 1/1 rookie go for?

90sEraKnicks · 07-18-2014, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by arkeeper

Wouldn't this mean less autos in the market? Less time spent by players signing, less hounding for autos they didn't sign yet, less photo ops and events, and less event used gear.

This may actually mean more on-cards and more authentic gu stuff in cards since only one company will have them.

Would suck to see Finest and five star go. Not a huge chrome fan.

Basketball is exclusive and there are still sticker autos (even in Spectra at $270/box).

Whodatiz · 07-18-2014, 11:11 PM

If I had to guess and I could be way off here...$20-$25k maybe.

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Originally Posted by Jackg1980

How much would a superfractor auto 1/1 rookie go for?

Jackg1980 · 07-18-2014, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Whodatiz

If I had to guess and I could be way off here...$15-$20k maybe.

Luck went for 19k. I would guess way more.

ChasescardCave · 07-18-2014, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackg1980

Luck went for 19k. I would guess way more.

Especially since basketball card prices sh** on football card prices. Bkb collectors are cray. I would guess 35k+

nibrugnerotto · 07-18-2014, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

now all of the football player supercollectors get to feel the way I felt when I found out panini was taking over basketball -_-

i've got a few cool Panini AI's but I def miss the awesome topps/UD Products.

Actually, Justin Tucker only has Panini autos

Whodatiz · 07-18-2014, 11:19 PM

Yeah, I wasn't aware how much Luck went for...so yeah the price for LeBron would be much higher.

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Originally Posted by Jackg1980

Luck went for 19k. I would guess way more.

anusinha · 07-18-2014, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rmw10

With what money? UD can't compete with Panini in terms of capital.

There are 2 components to a license, the upfront payment and a royalty for each sale. UD might not have the upfront $$$, but maybe if they offer up a high enough royalty percentage..... Just a possibility

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Chrisp253 Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: tacoma, wa Posts: 6,508	You guys are also calling out 2013-14 which had a crap draft which nobody broke out.. 2012-13 with kyrie davis and others prices and products were bought heavily. __________________ Russell wilson super collector

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cyberpvnk Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Cols, OH-IO Posts: 3,325	Here's my take on it. 1. I love Upper Deck and college uni stuff, so I still have that. 2. Panini blows. 3. If Panini announces this at the National I hope there is a major uproar. They will be expecting cheers...I hope they get shouted off stage. 4. I have already been moving out of cards and into certed memorabilia. 5. I will collect more non-sports (TV, Movies and Pop Culture). 6. Industry is bad anyway, and Panini will be its executioner. 7. Panini will cater almost exclusively to large case breakers. 8. I'm done with sticker autos in anything, just won't buy them, even for my PC. No matter what company. __________________ Bo Jackson - Ohio State Buckeyes - PSA 10 RC's

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CubKings Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Earth Posts: 6,518	I think this has caused enough uproar already that one or both of these companies needs to address this issue like yesterday! Because this is ridiculous. Nobody knows what's going on, but they do. __________________ NBA: Marbury, Jordan, Kobe, Westbrook, KD, AI, Jazz MLB: Chicago Cubs, Stanton, Aramis Ramirez, Sosa NFL: Minnesota Vikings, Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson https://sportscardalbum.com/u/cublife

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arkeeper Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,080 ark_keeper	Wouldn't this mean less autos in the market? Less time spent by players signing, less hounding for autos they didn't sign yet, less photo ops and events, and less event used gear. This may actually mean more on-cards and more authentic gu stuff in cards since only one company will have them. Would suck to see Finest and five star go. Not a huge chrome fan. __________________ Bengals (Recent players), Bills (Early 90's) Buckeyes, Louisville Cardinals Peyton Siva Autos http://s22.photobucket.com/user/ark_keeper/library/Sports%20Cards/FT%20-%20FS

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Jackg1980 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 10,001 MadBreakers	If they made topps in basketball would the superfarctor be king? How much would a Lebron James superfractor auto rookie go for these days? __________________ Official Blowout 2010 Topp Magic Refractor Autograph set collector! Looking for Khalil Mack and Marvel Vibranium "I trade by common sense not book value" "No one makes me bleed my own blood"

07-18-2014, 09:33 PM	#182
k13 Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 12,617	Exclusives in every sport now... Kind of gross. Hobby should be dying very soon again since I came back after a 20 year lay off.

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Nyfancam01 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,890 Nyfancam01 Nyfancam01	now all of the football player supercollectors get to feel the way I felt when I found out panini was taking over basketball -_- i've got a few cool Panini AI's but I def miss the awesome topps/UD Products.

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MW Connection Banned Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,950	Any update on the possible exclusive. The post by ITG Ceo Brian Price in Feb. makes me believe that Upper Deck may be able to attain and NFL license, not Panini.