🏈🏈🏈 2024 NFL Week 10 Discussion Thread 🏈🏈🏈

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by Delta5

You really don't like Higgins Chase combo?

Looked like you were talking like he was already gone.

I like Higgins when he’s on the field but they can’t afford to tie up 20+ million on a WR2 who misses a lot of time.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

Looked like you were talking like he was already gone.

I like Higgins when he’s on the field but they can’t afford to tie up 20+ million on a WR2 who misses a lot of time.

well he didnt get extended this season so he's a goner. I cant see that bengals owner extending 2 WRs to huge deal

[ninjabum87]

Another win for Team Refs. Embarrassing.

[Boo]

JGoffs still thinking it’s Goff.

[Boo]

I see the Herbies are still bitter that Burrow is 100x better. You have to love it!

[JeremyNick]

Why is Boo trolling hard at 6:30am?

[Jaysabz]

Listen, fair is fair.

But I think if you are going for 2 to win the game in regulation and taking that BIG gamble, you need an BIG penalty for the refs to pull out a flag.

I'm a fan of an NFC east team, and have no dog in this race. If anything, I would lean more towards the Bengals. I'm a Penn State grad and root for PSU players, and Mike Gesicki is having a nice season with Cincy.

I felt that on that 2pt conversion, Gesicki tried way to hard to oversell a hold - hands up in the air, collapsing to the ground, and Burrow wasn't looking that way anyhow (again, in a perfect world, should that matter, probably not, but was it BIG - not sure), and despite what Al Michaels and the other commentator said, I didn't think the hit on Burrow was a BIG hit that warranted a flag in that situation.

Again, take a BIG gamble, I think you need a BIG and clear penalty to warrant a flag and a re-try from the 1. I subjectively didn't think there any penalties that rose to that level, but I can certainly understand why subjectively someone might feel differently.

My two cents.

[TSonn]

Why didn't Burrow throw to an open Chase on the 2 pointer?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

Listen, fair is fair.

But I think if you are going for 2 to win the game in regulation and taking that BIG gamble, you need an BIG penalty for the refs to pull out a flag.

I'm a fan of an NFC east team, and have no dog in this race. If anything, I would lean more towards the Bengals. I'm a Penn State grad and root for PSU players, and Mike Gesicki is having a nice season with Cincy.

I felt that on that 2pt conversion, Gesicki tried way to hard to oversell a hold - hands up in the air, collapsing to the ground, and Burrow wasn't looking that way anyhow (again, in a perfect world, should that matter, probably not, but was it BIG - not sure), and despite what Al Michaels and the other commentator said, I didn't think the hit on Burrow was a BIG hit that warranted a flag in that situation.

Again, take a BIG gamble, I think you need a BIG and clear penalty to warrant a flag and a re-try from the 1. I subjectively didn't think there any penalties that rose to that level, but I can certainly understand why subjectively someone might feel differently.

My two cents.

Disagree.

We heard all of this nonsense for years with the Chiefs about how the smallest touch can completely throw off a route and play. If it’s enough to be consequential in Q1, it’s till enough to be consequential in Q4.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

Listen, fair is fair.

But I think if you are going for 2 to win the game in regulation and taking that BIG gamble, you need an BIG penalty for the refs to pull out a flag.

I'm a fan of an NFC east team, and have no dog in this race. If anything, I would lean more towards the Bengals. I'm a Penn State grad and root for PSU players, and Mike Gesicki is having a nice season with Cincy.

I felt that on that 2pt conversion, Gesicki tried way to hard to oversell a hold - hands up in the air, collapsing to the ground, and Burrow wasn't looking that way anyhow (again, in a perfect world, should that matter, probably not, but was it BIG - not sure), and despite what Al Michaels and the other commentator said, I didn't think the hit on Burrow was a BIG hit that warranted a flag in that situation.

Again, take a BIG gamble, I think you need a BIG and clear penalty to warrant a flag and a re-try from the 1. I subjectively didn't think there any penalties that rose to that level, but I can certainly understand why subjectively someone might feel differently.

My two cents.

Funny you mention that when chiefs literally gifted PI on 4th and 15 or something like that, if you dont want flag to change the outcome of the game why call it there and not call it here? does chief gets special treatment? I'd argue the foul committed is way more severe here since there's 2 fouls that's not called (and another face mask earlier in the game). I dont care if refs want to flag every single slightest foul or they don't call anything at all. But, at least be consistent among the league. These preferential treatment is bullcrap

[ninjabum87]

A penalty is a penalty. If there are two or three big obvious misses in one play and we go "oh well on a 2pt conversion to win you can't expect refs to actually officiate the same way as the rest of the game" wtf are we even doing? Stop running interference for the poor quality of officiating. Every week it leaves egg on their face and every week its "oh we didn't see that, the ref wasn't looking there, our bad". There is no excuse for that when the broadcast has 37 different camera angles in 4k.

[tjforce]

Amazing that in a 35-34 Thursday night thriller between the Ravens and the Bengals, people are still talking about the Chiefs, so I'll stick to the game that happened.

The Bengals are the least penalized team in the NFL (4.4 Penalties per game). Baltimore ranks 30th (8.0). Last night in particular, the Bengals were only penalized 3 times, compared to the Ravens 11 accepted penalties.


Hmm.

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by Boo

I see the Herbies are still bitter that Burrow is 100x better. You have to love it!

Lmao you wish. Imagine if Herbert had a receiver like Jamarr Chase.

[Jaysabz]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Disagree.

We heard all of this nonsense for years with the Chiefs about how the smallest touch can completely throw off a route and play. If it’s enough to be consequential in Q1, it’s till enough to be consequential in Q4.

Originally Posted by Delta5

Funny you mention that when chiefs literally gifted PI on 4th and 15 or something like that, if you dont want flag to change the outcome of the game why call it there and not call it here? does chief gets special treatment? I'd argue the foul committed is way more severe here since there's 2 fouls that's not called (and another face mask earlier in the game). I dont care if refs want to flag every single slightest foul or they don't call anything at all. But, at least be consistent among the league. These preferential treatment is bullcrap

Good discussion. Not a Chiefs fan, but I've heard the grumbling about them receiving ticky-tack calls at the end of the game that change outcomes in their favor. Which is why I think there needs to be an unspoken penalty threshold heightening at the end of games for SUBJECTIVE penalty calls.

Things such as offsides, false start, delay of game, too many men on the field - all objective.

But subjective penalties such as pass interference - it's hard to define - but it's one of those "you know it when you see it" type of things - if the ref is going to throw a flag that could have game altering results at the end, I want the penalty to be one where a disinterested third party would look at it and say, "oh, that's definitely pass interference" - not, "dunno, I could see it going either way, or wow, that's close, I'm not sure."

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

Good discussion. Not a Chiefs fan, but I've heard the grumbling about them receiving ticky-tack calls at the end of the game that change outcomes in their favor. Which is why I think there needs to be an unspoken penalty threshold heightening at the end of games for SUBJECTIVE penalty calls.

Things such as offsides, false start, delay of game, too many men on the field - all objective.

But subjective penalties such as pass interference - it's hard to define - but it's one of those "you know it when you see it" type of things - if the ref is going to throw a flag that could have game altering results at the end, I want the penalty to be one where a disinterested third party would look at it and say, "oh, that's definitely pass interference" - not, "dunno, I could see it going either way, or wow, that's close, I'm not sure."

A defensive hold is fairly objective. You can’t grab the player or jersey. PI would be more subjective.

Either way I am not in favor of, or have never been in favor of penalty calls changing throughout a game. While refs have the job of managing the game, determining what calls should be made at what points in the game is materially changing the outcome of the game.

[foleylion08]

I'm on the fence about the idea of penalties becoming reviewable. Particularly which penalties, and how often? Is it only reviewable by the booth? Do you get an extra "Penalty Challenge" per game, or is it lumped in with your other challenges?

The forceable contact to a quarterback's head should also be subjective. The tap on Burrow wasn't a grab or a pull and was over in a fraction of a second. It's been called on less, but I think that was a good no call. The hold was bad, though. I did see Chase push off on more than one play, but you know OPI is a rare penalty.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Amazing that in a 35-34 Thursday night thriller between the Ravens and the Bengals, people are still talking about the Chiefs, so I'll stick to the game that happened.

The Bengals are the least penalized team in the NFL (4.4 Penalties per game). Baltimore ranks 30th (8.0). Last night in particular, the Bengals were only penalized 3 times, compared to the Ravens 11 accepted penalties.


Hmm.

It's not the quantity but quality

[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by foleylion08

I'm on the fence about the idea of penalties becoming reviewable. Particularly which penalties, and how often? Is it only reviewable by the booth? Do you get an extra "Penalty Challenge" per game, or is it lumped in with your other challenges?

The forceable contact to a quarterback's head should also be subjective. The tap on Burrow wasn't a grab or a pull and was over in a fraction of a second. It's been called on less, but I think that was a good no call. The hold was bad, though. I did see Chase push off on more than one play, but you know OPI is a rare penalty.

Even if its not a "review" not having more officials watching through cameras is inexcusable. More eyes on and less misses should be universally supported by people. Idk why it wouldn't be.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Delta5

It's not the quantity but quality

I'd say the two 15 yard penalties (plus the 5) against the Ravens were pretty high quality for the Bengals.

Literally, they had 70 yards to go. 35 were given to them by the refs. It's a rube take to look at one play outside of the context the rest of the game (and season) and say *tHe ReFs cHeAtEd"

[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'd say the two 15 yard penalties (plus the 5) against the Ravens were pretty high quality for the Bengals.

Literally, they had 70 yards to go. 35 were given to them by the refs. It's a rube take to look at one play outside of the context the rest of the game (and season) and say *tHe ReFs cHeAtEd"

Who is saying they cheated in here in this game? We are just tired of them missing blatantly wrong calls. They need to do better and improve consistency.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

Who is saying they cheated in here in this game? We are just tired of them missing blatantly wrong calls. They need to do better and improve consistency.

I’ll clarify:
I’m tired of the inconsistency in game
I’m tired of the inconsistency game to game
I’m tired of fans trying to justify either levels of that inconsistency


There will always be some level of human error, however being able to point to multiple blatant missed calls in a single game determining play at the end of the game, is not acceptable and it’s happening with greater frequency.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

Who is saying they cheated in here in this game? We are just tired of them missing blatantly wrong calls. They need to do better and improve consistency.

Try going on X or Facebook... very easy to find.

The big problem is we seem to be a world feeding off of 10 second clips.

If the penalties were 11-3 in favor of the Bengals, then I guarantee you that that you could go back to any quarter of the game and find plays that penalties should have been called that benefit the Ravens but weren't. Instead the story that a lot of people believe is that the refs were trying to help the Ravens..

Which is totally ironic considering how the NFL season opener ended and what folks were complaining about on the last play of that game.

So what I'm saying is, yes, the refs need to do a better job, but the simp reaction that if one call doesn't go a teams way that the entire world is against them is just very low level thinking (not accusing anyone specific in here of this).

After all, the Bengals were beneficiaries of one of the most egregious non-calls in Super Bowl history.

[cdub6238]

Some interesting combo props on DK for tomorrow...

Mixon/Swift/Bijan 250+ rushing yards +155

Amon-Ra/Moore/JJeff 250+ receiving yards +185

Nabers/Davante/Downs 250+ receiving yards +230

[Rabs]

This game already sucks.

[majestik101]

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