2023-24 Topps Chrome Basketball

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I am eager to see some box breaks on this. I know a lot of doing this as a lottery for Lebron and Wemby autos. I am curious to see how the rest shakes out.

Going to be like UD hockey this year where everything besides Bedard gets dumped for pennies.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Going to be like UD hockey this year where everything besides Bedard gets dumped for pennies.

Speaking of which. Since I have not seen any upper deck hockey in my area all year. Who are the Young Guns to pick up not named Bedard? Like next three or whatever. I plan on getting a Bedard, but figured his stuff will keep dropping with more supply.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Speaking of which. Since I have not seen any upper deck hockey in my area all year. Who are the Young Guns to pick up not named Bedard? Like next three or whatever. I plan on getting a Bedard, but figured his stuff will keep dropping with more supply.

Carlsson, fantilli, Cooley, Hughes, Faber, nemec are the next most popular.

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by bsavidge83

I was! I couldn't get one yesterday so yes I will buy singles. Are you saying boxes are crazy but singles are fine?

Yes, because singles are the actual collectibles.. For the most part, people buy singles to add to their collection, and not to flip or make a profit off of. Even if you make money off singles, you don’t get the gambling high like you do opening a box.

You can’t collect a hobby box unless you keep it sealed. The only reason you were buying this was because you wanted to take a gamble and try to hit a big card for your “set” without having to pay more out of pocket for it. The odds that was going to happen were slim to none anyways.

No set collector is buying a box of the set they collect. People may be dumb, but they aren’t that dumb.

You could pick up the entire master base set and a few autographs for the price of ONE $300 box. Only people buying this are gambling addicts.

[Bcr]

You will spend more money ripping unlicensed, than it would cost to just buy a licensed LeBron auto.

[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by Bcr

You will spend more money ripping unlicensed, than it would cost to just buy a licensed LeBron auto.

No way..............

[bsavidge83]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

Yes, because singles are the actual collectibles.. For the most part, people buy singles to add to their collection, and not to flip or make a profit off of. Even if you make money off singles, you don’t get the gambling high like you do opening a box.

You can’t collect a hobby box unless you keep it sealed. The only reason you were buying this was because you wanted to take a gamble and try to hit a big card for your “set” without having to pay more out of pocket for it. The odds that was going to happen were slim to none anyways.

No set collector is buying a box of the set they collect. People may be dumb, but they aren’t that dumb.

You could pick up the entire master base set and a few autographs for the price of ONE $300 box. Only people buying this are gambling addicts.

Collectors aren't aloud to open any product, of any type, whatsoever. Ok. Got it. Understood.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

Yes, because singles are the actual collectibles.. For the most part, people buy singles to add to their collection, and not to flip or make a profit off of. Even if you make money off singles, you don’t get the gambling high like you do opening a box.

You can’t collect a hobby box unless you keep it sealed. The only reason you were buying this was because you wanted to take a gamble and try to hit a big card for your “set” without having to pay more out of pocket for it. The odds that was going to happen were slim to none anyways.

No set collector is buying a box of the set they collect. People may be dumb, but they aren’t that dumb.

You could pick up the entire master base set and a few autographs for the price of ONE $300 box. Only people buying this are gambling addicts.

You can be both though.

When I was a child, I collected certain players and built sets BUT I also enjoyed the rush of opening boxes and chasing bigger hits. Granted, this was when hobby boxes were $30-$50 but also a time when I made $10/week on allowance so these were still significant purchases.

I would pull out the players I needed or the inserts for whatever set I was collecting, and then I would take everything else to school or a sleepover for trading. Whatever I had left from trading, I would take to a dealer or LCS and get whatever I could in store credit to then buy more. I bought singles, and I bought wax. I collected and built sets, but I also gambled.

The stakes are higher these days but I'm also not making $10/wk anymore and while I no longer collect, I don't think I could ever do all of one or the other. I would buy singles, buy boxes, gamble a bit, but still focus on my collecting goals. I simply can't agree that no set collector would buy a box of the set they collect.

[bsavidge83]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

You can be both though.

When I was a child, I collected certain players and built sets BUT I also enjoyed the rush of opening boxes and chasing bigger hits. Granted, this was when hobby boxes were $30-$50 but also a time when I made $10/week on allowance so these were still significant purchases.

I would pull out the players I needed or the inserts for whatever set I was collecting, and then I would take everything else to school or a sleepover for trading. Whatever I had left from trading, I would take to a dealer or LCS and get whatever I could in store credit to then buy more. I bought singles, and I bought wax. I collected and built sets, but I also gambled.

The stakes are higher these days but I'm also not making $10/wk anymore and while I no longer collect, I don't think I could ever do all of one or the other. I would buy singles, buy boxes, gamble a bit, but still focus on my collecting goals. I simply can't agree that no set collector would buy a box of the set they collect.

Exactly! It's absurd to say a collector can't enjoy opening a box. Opening a box is the door to collecting, I would guess, for quite a few collectors.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by bsavidge83

Exactly! It's absurd to say a collector can't enjoy opening a box. Opening a box is the door to collecting, I would guess, for quite a few collectors.

Sounds like gambling to me.

[Durantula]

No lisence in Euro Soccer was horrible! You better of buying singles for sure, seeing all those odds, it’s almost impossible to pull anything good if you are not a breaker storing cases.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

Yes, because singles are the actual collectibles.. For the most part, people buy singles to add to their collection, and not to flip or make a profit off of. Even if you make money off singles, you don’t get the gambling high like you do opening a box.

You can’t collect a hobby box unless you keep it sealed. The only reason you were buying this was because you wanted to take a gamble and try to hit a big card for your “set” without having to pay more out of pocket for it. The odds that was going to happen were slim to none anyways.

No set collector is buying a box of the set they collect. People may be dumb, but they aren’t that dumb.

You could pick up the entire master base set and a few autographs for the price of ONE $300 box. Only people buying this are gambling addicts.

I guess I am a weird collector. I am MORE likely to buy a box to open if I am planning on collecting the set. At least all the base will have utility to me. Yes, you can just buy the set. Part of the fun is try to hit something with the box and than collating the set from there. Of course, price points make a difference. Optic at $875 a box is just dumb no matter what you do with it.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I guess I am a weird collector. I am MORE likely to buy a box to open if I am planning on collecting the set. At least all the base will have utility to me. Yes, you can just buy the set. Part of the fun is try to hit something with the box and than collating the set from there. Of course, price points make a difference. Optic at $875 a box is just dumb no matter what you do with it.

I like to build my collection through uncirculated cards as well and opening wax is the only way to do that.

Nobody wants anyone’s sloppy seconds.

But yeah, you have to be well off these days to do that.

That being said, my collection is much smaller nowadays.

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by bsavidge83

Exactly! It's absurd to say a collector can't enjoy opening a box. Opening a box is the door to collecting, I would guess, for quite a few collectors.

Before, opening a box was considered collecting. Now we have passed that point. Before, you could open a box and have a 80% chance of at least breaking even, nowadays you have less than a 10% chance to break even.

Opening boxes are gambling, and you know that. I never open boxes for sets I am trying to put together because it just makes no sense to.

Opening a box is NOT the door to collecting, at least not anymore. If spending $300 to get $20 in cards is the door to collecting, then I don’t think many will be going through that door.

[JMStang]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

Before, opening a box was considered collecting. Now we have passed that point. Before, you could open a box and have a 80% chance of at least breaking even, nowadays you have less than a 10% chance to break even.

Opening boxes are gambling, and you know that. I never open boxes for sets I am trying to put together because it just makes no sense to.

Opening a box is NOT the door to collecting, at least not anymore. If spending $300 to get $20 in cards is the door to collecting, then I don’t think many will be going through that door.

Not all us put making money or even breaking even as a top priority. Some just enjoy the cards and use it as an avenue to more enjoyment of the sport. Or we just enjoy the rip!

Also remember ROI means different things to different people. If you’re only focused on the monetary ROI you miss out on the fun ROI. The enjoyment of the hobby with your buddies or the bonding time with your kid through the hobby.

Each of us collect in different ways and there is no 1 right way to enjoy the hobby.


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[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by JMStang

Not all us put making money or even breaking even as a top priority. Some just enjoy the cards and use it as an avenue to more enjoyment of the sport. Or we just enjoy the rip!

Also remember ROI means different things to different people. If you’re only focused on the monetary ROI you miss out on the fun ROI. The enjoyment of the hobby with your buddies or the bonding time with your kid through the hobby.

Each of us collect in different ways and there is no 1 right way to enjoy the hobby.


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But buying a hobby box is far past the point of just breaking even. You are way more likely to have 10% of your original buy in after all is said and done. Nobody buys a hobby box without trying to go for a big hit, it’s gambling.

You guys can make excuses all you want. There are way better ways to bond with buddies or kids besides spending $800 on a box of cards just to get shafted.

If you want to take your kid to Walmart and have them pick out a $5 pack of Score or Hoops then that’s different, but hobby boxes are 100% gambling. Gamblers will never admit that though, which is a part of the problem.

We are in a thread about a product that is using pajamas for pictures with no sign of an actual nba team on the card, and people a buying it up @ $300 per box. I just don’t know how you can justify that as collectors being collectors.

[JMStang]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

But buying a hobby box is far past the point of just breaking even. You are way more likely to have 10% of your original buy in after all is said and done. Nobody buys a hobby box without trying to go for a big hit, it’s gambling.

You guys can make excuses all you want. There are way better ways to bond with buddies or kids besides spending $800 on a box of cards just to get shafted.

If you want to take your kid to Walmart and have them pick out a $5 pack of Score or Hoops then that’s different, but hobby boxes are 100% gambling. Gamblers will never admit that though, which is a part of the problem.

We are in a thread about a product that is using pajamas for pictures with no sign of an actual nba team on the card, and people a buying it up @ $300 per box. I just don’t know how you can justify that as collectors being collectors.

For myself I cannot and am not planning on buying one. If I want any I’ll buy a single or look for blasters. However, there people at an economic level that are willing to spend just for rip or fun of it. Again, everyone is st different levels that they can or are willing to spend just for the fun of it and there is no 1 right way to enjoy the hobby.


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[wilsonsingles]

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[ohio_mba]

Here's an idea and I wonder if Topps has ever thought about this. How about two years from now, when they get the license, they offer a buyback program on the rookie signatures from 2023-24 Topps Chrome.

For instance, you can redeem a Wemby RC auto from this crap for a licensed Wemby auto RC. Maybe they could print these in advance and sit on them for a couple of years in anticipation of the buyback program.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ohio_mba

Here's an idea and I wonder if Topps has ever thought about this. How about two years from now, when they get the license, they offer a buyback program on the rookie signatures from 2023-24 Topps Chrome.

For instance, you can redeem a Wemby RC auto from this crap for a licensed Wemby auto RC. Maybe they could print these in advance and sit on them for a couple of years in anticipation of the buyback program.

Would it be a true rookie if it’s not released to the market until 2026?

[ohio_mba]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Would it be a true rookie if it’s not released to the market until 2026?

If it were known they were printed this year it would be.

[BayAreaChris]

Originally Posted by ohio_mba

If it were known they were printed this year it would be.

That seems like a legal issue. Even printing product with logos without a license with the intent to increase sales now seems no bueno.

As the cutover date gets closer, I wouldn’t be surprised if they hold releasing product though.

[dizzy4111]

I just looked at the checklist. Why are their retired players in this lol. Definitely need Melo in pajamas when I could just buy a refractor from when he was playing

[KhalDrogo]

Nobody has “fun” opening pajama cards.

[glassofwater]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Nobody has “fun” opening pajama cards.

I had fun opening some donruss baseball mega boxes today..

I don’t understand the logic of sone people.. People kept telling everyone that wembys true first rookie, was his pajama draft picks card, because it’s has the nbpa license. This has the nbpa license and now it’s not a real “rookie”? I don’t understand.