Corbin Carroll

[vintg]

the thing is, reno could've really used him this last week for their playoffs.

i kid, i kid.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by vintg

the thing is, reno could've really used him this last week for their playoffs.

i kid, i kid.

Another two hits and an HR for Thomas today. Reno got the better player

[dream34]

https://twitter.com/tjenkinstampa/st...NNjx_HBcXpYy1w

Fastest home to 3rd run since they started tracking in 2020.

[BBases31]

And finishes the season on a 7.5 full season WAR pace. What a start to a career

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by BBases31

And finishes the season on a 7.5 full season WAR pace. What a start to a career

I hope he hits .263 with 18 HR, 70 RBI, 11 SB, and 7.5 WAR next year so we can watch his prices plummet while the D'backs get all that benefit.

Also important to note that while a 7.5 WAR season would be great, a 7.5 WAR pace is not great. He's 13th in WAR since his callup, behind hobby stalwarts Tommy Edman (who is legit this good, finishing 18th on the year with 5.5), Taylor Ward, and Eduardo Escobar.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

Also important to note that while a 7.5 WAR season would be great, a 7.5 WAR pace is not great. He's 13th in WAR since his callup, behind hobby stalwarts Tommy Edman (who is legit this good, finishing 18th on the year with 5.5), Taylor Ward, and Eduardo Escobar.

I absolutely could care less where his prices go as I own zero cards I just love him as a player. 7.5 WAR is MVP level. I'm just gonna go ahead and block you and put you on the ignore list at this point. Adios forever my dude

[WalterAZ31]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

I hope he hits .263 with 18 HR, 70 RBI, 11 SB, and 7.5 WAR next year so we can watch his prices plummet while the D'backs get all that benefit.

Also important to note that while a 7.5 WAR season would be great, a 7.5 WAR pace is not great. He's 13th in WAR since his callup, behind hobby stalwarts Tommy Edman (who is legit this good, finishing 18th on the year with 5.5), Taylor Ward, and Eduardo Escobar.

imagine hating on Corbin Carroll, who is far and away the best Dbacks prospect they have had since justin upton and maybe best ever prospect

this isnt like Jake McCarthy (whos actually gotten better) or Alek Thomas, who was a fringy top 100 prospect that MIGHT end up a decent starter in bigs. Carroll, unless he just completely forgets how to play baseball, has yearly all-star potential.

[BBases31]

Finishes the season off with a jack. Too good

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Finishes the season off with a jack. Too good

so you're allowed to troll everybody elses threads but the one player you're holding you can pump

[clocsta2323]

Rwperu wasn't really even hating on Carroll. This is definitely one of the best examples of someone loving to dish it out but not being able to take it.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

so you're allowed to troll everybody elses threads but the one player you're holding you can pump

He can say whatever he wants. I don't really care if he makes the next 100 posts in this thread as I won't see them. Complete waste of my time to interact with someone who makes such an incredibly dumb argument that dismisses 1.4 WAR in the first 30 games of his career because Tyler Ward had more over the same stretch. Same guy also said Alek Thomas would be the Dbacks center fielder for the next 6 years and he gets demoted the same week. Waste. Of. Time.

And I own *zero* Corbin Carroll cards.

Hey dream34, get em! They keep making this about me!

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

Rwperu wasn't really even hating on Carroll. This is definitely one of the best examples of someone loving to dish it out but not being able to take it.

Right? I mean;

1) I am going to have him ranked in the top 4 on my prospect list when it gets done, possibly as high as #2.

2) I'm more bullish on Carroll that the best projections system out there (Steamer).

3) We were talking about baseball card prices. He has been trying to argue for five pages (or more) that because Carroll has a high WAR his prices should be rising. My argument is he's been baseball good but not hobby good.

4) The guy I said was going to play CF has been playing CF (albeit in AAA for the last 10 days). The guy I said wasn't going to play CF has been playing LF.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by WalterAZ31

imagine hating on Corbin Carroll, who is far and away the best Dbacks prospect they have had since justin upton and maybe best ever prospect

this isnt like Jake McCarthy (whos actually gotten better) or Alek Thomas, who was a fringy top 100 prospect that MIGHT end up a decent starter in bigs. Carroll, unless he just completely forgets how to play baseball, has yearly all-star potential.

You are underselling Alek Thomas here. He was ranked in the top 20 on one list (not counting mine) and was no lower than #37 in the major publications.

I'd also like to point out that through his first 33 games in the Bigs he hit .270/.339/.450 with 5 HR compared to Carroll's .260/.330/.500 with 4 HR.

I think you are mistaking my bullishness on Thomas as hate for Carroll. I've never said he's anything but a very good baseball player. I suppose the difference is while I see the yearly all star potential, I also see the potential to become an Andrew Benintendi or Gavin Lux or a late model Starling Marte. All are/were varying levels of good and he can certainly exceed these guys, but IMO you've got to recognize that the median outcome is a lot lower than his expectation is right now.

ETA: YOu should also realize that a streak (1.4 WAR over 7 weeks) that was accomplished by 12 others during the same time frame no less than 50 guys this year is not some special streak regardless of the arbitrary end point.

[MyckKabongo]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

ETA: YOu should also realize that a streak (1.4 WAR over 7 weeks) that was accomplished by 12 others during the same time frame no less than 50 guys this year is not some special streak regardless of the arbitrary end point.

You really owned the Carroll guys with this line of argument.

"He was a top 15 player in MLB in September."

"Only around 50 other guys had streaks as productive at any point this year"

Definitely nothing, not even the littlest teensiest-eensiest bit, special about a guy that just turned 22 doing that in his first month in the bigs. You scorched 'em. All the excitement for Carroll is gone.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by BBases31

He can say whatever he wants. I don't really care if he makes the next 100 posts in this thread as I won't see them. Complete waste of my time to interact with someone who makes such an incredibly dumb argument that dismisses 1.4 WAR in the first 30 games of his career because Tyler Ward had more over the same stretch. Same guy also said Alek Thomas would be the Dbacks center fielder for the next 6 years and he gets demoted the same week. Waste. Of. Time.

And I own *zero* Corbin Carroll cards.

Hey dream34, get em! They keep making this about me!

I just want to know who Tyler Ward is

[dream34]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

You really owned the Carroll guys with this line of argument.

"He was a top 15 player in MLB in September."

"Only around 50 other guys had streaks as productive at any point this year"

Definitely nothing, not even the littlest teensiest-eensiest bit, special about a guy that just turned 22 doing that in his first month in the bigs. You scorched 'em. All the excitement for Carroll is gone.

It's amazing that he's somewhat struggled (for him) and still was able to put up some very strong MLB power numbers. The power with him will always be hard to see initially. If he were 6'0" and put up the EXACT same numbers I think general opinions of him would be much different. Numbers back it up too, finishing the year with higher BA/SLG/OPS/WAR numbers than both Witt & Gunnar. As is though, aside from general opinions, scouts absolutely love him.

All this being said, just like every other prospect ever there is still a lot to see and adjustments to be made for him. rwperu is not wrong with his assessments and honestly it would be great for Carroll to work hard over the offseason on improvements. Everything in his profile suggests that he will put in the time/analysis to do so.

Where I do think Carroll is underestimated is his future hobby standing should he improve on his one month MLB showing. He's by far (I do not say this lightly) the fastest regular in all of baseball and has shown an incredible knack for barreling the ball with hard contact and working counts. While Arizona is not the ideal hobby team there is a very obvious market for him and very interested to see how it will factor in if he becomes even just all-star level player, much less an MVP level player.

[BBases31]

Corbin Carroll was #1 in all of baseball, at any position, in Success Rate Added. There are Gold Gloves in his future

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leade...5&sortDir=desc

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Corbin Carroll was #1 in all of baseball, at any position, in Success Rate Added. There are Gold Gloves in his future

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leade...5&sortDir=desc

Hopefully he finds himself #1 on some other list cause the other 19 in the top 20 of that list are certified scrubs outside Buxton.

I think they were all FAs the entire year in my 16 team fantasy league where everyone had like 20 offensive spots to fill.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by dream34

It's amazing that he's somewhat struggled (for him) and still was able to put up some very strong MLB power numbers. The power with him will always be hard to see initially. If he were 6'0" and put up the EXACT same numbers I think general opinions of him would be much different. Numbers back it up too, finishing the year with higher BA/SLG/OPS/WAR numbers than both Witt & Gunnar. As is though, aside from general opinions, scouts absolutely love him.

All this being said, just like every other prospect ever there is still a lot to see and adjustments to be made for him. rwperu is not wrong with his assessments and honestly it would be great for Carroll to work hard over the offseason on improvements. Everything in his profile suggests that he will put in the time/analysis to do so.

Where I do think Carroll is underestimated is his future hobby standing should he improve on his one month MLB showing. He's by far (I do not say this lightly) the fastest regular in all of baseball and has shown an incredible knack for barreling the ball with hard contact and working counts. While Arizona is not the ideal hobby team there is a very obvious market for him and very interested to see how it will factor in if he becomes even just all-star level player, much less an MVP level player.

One thing I've been thinking about re: his speed; with the new pitch clock rules, is that going to bring back the SB?

I don't want to go back to the 1980s where you have multiple players with 80+ in any given season, but can we get back to where the league leaders are in the 60s and 70s? If so, Carroll could put up a 20 HR-60 SB season. That would move the needle, IMO. That type of potential is the reason I have a stack of Adalberto Mondesi cards (or as I like to call them, box cloggers). Granted I'm in a much, much cheaper price than where Carroll is now.

[rwperu34]

I've started work on my 2023 prospect list. One thing I noticed at first glance; Carroll is going to have a tougher path to ROY than Gunnar, IMO. There are simply more top 100 position prospects from the NL that are already in the majors.

[BBases31]

Corbin seems like an ideal candidate for one of these Michael Harris type extensions. His bad case floor is so high from the baserunning and defense. If he winds up as an average hitter playing CF, he's probably at a 3 WAR baseline. The sky is obviously the limit

[ctgalloway21]

hmm, I got the 2019 Bowman's best gold on ebay for $12. Seemed cheap.

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by ctgalloway21

hmm, I got the 2019 Bowman's best gold on ebay for $12. Seemed cheap.

Way cheap. Nice p/u!

[awz50]

wayyyyy cheap

[clocsta2323]

Why is it cheap? This card was in dollar bins a year ago. That's a remarkable ROI.

Oh wait.. I forgot he would have won the MVP if he played 162 games.